A Guide to Minor Factions and the Background Sim

[Jane Turner]

the coup triggered at 59.9%. Showed at 59.9% in the 1st minute of the tick - still at 59.9 12 hours after the tick, and the coup triggered

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

Just curious if the tables in this link are still current or if FD issued updates, especially the first table, when further states were added. Some actions seem to be missing, either through game improvements (adding passengers) or missing generally (no row for completing missions, or for killing 'wanteds', turning in bonds).

I do realise that FD may not want to lay it all out on a plate, but just curious if there are later versions.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=221826&p=3382653#post3382653

 

[Schlack]

Just curious if the tables in this link are still current or if FD issued updates, especially the first table, when further states were added. Some actions seem to be missing, either through game improvements (adding passengers) or missing generally (no row for completing missions, or for killing 'wanteds', turning in bonds).

I do realise that FD may not want to lay it all out on a plate, but just curious if there are later versions.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=221826&p=3382653#post3382653

no later versions. we have to hunt for clues in patch notes, bug reports, livestreams and FDev posts. Thats the reason this thread exists.

 

[thelivingdeadguy]

Hey guys, I have a question about Expansion states.

When the state is active, does it require active participation to be successful or is it just a case of waiting for it to go through?

Could I, theoretically, take a longish passenger mission and come back without needing to look after the faction when these states are active and come back to a succesful expansion?

 

[Sentenza]

the coup triggered at 59.9%. Showed at 59.9% in the 1st minute of the tick - still at 59.9 12 hours after the tick, and the coup triggered

59.9% Might just be a rounding issue. Likely it's something like 59.996% and the map shows 59.9% while the engine treats it as 60%.

I bet system faction recap in board shows it as 60%?

 

[Schlack]

Hey guys, I have a question about Expansion states.

When the state is active, does it require active participation to be successful or is it just a case of waiting for it to go through?

Could I, theoretically, take a longish passenger mission and come back without needing to look after the faction when these states are active and come back to a succesful expansion?

once it goes active it should happen, unless it goes into investment state because it cant find a suitable target. There is a 15% expansion hit on influence that you might have to manage.

 

[Black Skull]

hi there!!!

As new player here I have a question. I suspect that there are differences about how some actions affect BGS in the Anarchy systems (ie, smuggling rise the influence up instead of rise it down).

Is there other differences or is that the only one?

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

Hey guys, I have a question about Expansion states.

When the state is active, does it require active participation to be successful or is it just a case of waiting for it to go through?

Could I, theoretically, take a longish passenger mission and come back without needing to look after the faction when these states are active and come back to a succesful expansion?

Like Schlack says, the system expanded FROM will see its influence reduce during the effort to expand. That might be ok for you (to drop it back to a level where it won't quickly expand again), or you may wish to keep working the BGS to maintain the influence at an acceptable level.

SIDE QUESTION - Expansion in from another system seems to be blocking a MF in a system I'm interested in from matching influence and triggering a War. I'm guessing Expansion state isn't like Boom (with the latter getting closed down when a War/Civil War starts through influence matching).

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

The sale of certain goods do have an impact on the state effect for the market's controlling faction.

Selling foodstuffs will reduce famine, and I think selling excessive wastes will increase it.

I have not done too much on influencing famine, but I have instigated civil unrest by selling battle weapons on black markets.

Because of that, i am unsure if regular sales of wastes will cause famine, or if you need to make use of black markets to cause it. Perhaps it needs to be a negative influence effect (loss making sales or BMs) to cause those states.

I've recently been taking a closer interest in the published States effect of various mission types. A "Deliver Biowaste" mission (typically INTO an Agriculture system, but not necessarily to the controlling faction) shows the mission giver gets "risk of Outbreak is down", whereas the recipient of the biowaste gets "risk of Outbreak is up". Just because it's published on the mission delivery screen doesn't necessarily make it so, though! Every other "Deliver [This]" mission seems to result both parties getting "chances of an Economic Boom is up".

No idea if regular trading of Biowaste has a similar effect (on Outbreak state). I always assumed it was a helpful import into an Agricultural system, given I often see it in high demand.

 

[goemon]

Anarchy systems (ie, smuggling rise the influence up instead of rise it down

that's not the case. illegal trade still hurts controlling anarchy factions.

 

[Schlack]

Like Schlack says, the system expanded FROM will see its influence reduce during the effort to expand. That might be ok for you (to drop it back to a level where it won't quickly expand again), or you may wish to keep working the BGS to maintain the influence at an acceptable level.

SIDE QUESTION - Expansion in from another system seems to be blocking a MF in a system I'm interested in from matching influence and triggering a War. I'm guessing Expansion state isn't like Boom (with the latter getting closed down when a War/Civil War starts through influence matching).

um not quite sure I understand. pending or active expansion should not prevent pending conflict. The cause is, almost definately, that one of the factions is in pending/active/recovering conflict in a different system. Check the local news tab for faction status.

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

I've recently been taking a closer interest in the published States effect of various mission types. A "Deliver Biowaste" mission (typically INTO an Agriculture system, but not necessarily to the controlling faction) shows the mission giver gets "risk of Outbreak is down", whereas the recipient of the biowaste gets "risk of Outbreak is up". Just because it's published on the mission delivery screen doesn't necessarily make it so, though! Every other "Deliver [This]" mission seems to result both parties getting "chances of an Economic Boom is up".

No idea if regular trading of Biowaste has a similar effect (on Outbreak state). I always assumed it was a helpful import into an Agricultural system, given I often see it in high demand.

https://cdb.sotl.org.uk/missions

Try this. Very accurate from what I can tell.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

https://cdb.sotl.org.uk/missions

Try this. Very accurate from what I can tell.

Very useful. Thank you. I did not realise Bulk Passenger missions gave influence to both parties.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

um not quite sure I understand. pending or active expansion should not prevent pending conflict. The cause is, almost definately, that one of the factions is in pending/active/recovering conflict in a different system. Check the local news tab for faction status.

Ok, will take a look around further. They just ended an Election in a third system, so that's on two day cool down I think. It's active Expansion from its home system. I need to nudge it into War in the system I'm interested in, so hopefully can get it into Pending War even while the Expansion state completes.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

https://cdb.sotl.org.uk/missions

Try this. Very accurate from what I can tell.

Follow-up question. Is there any negative Influence consequence of taking but not completing a mission and letting the time run out? I know it will create negative Reputation, but I've also assumed it will create negative Influence for the mission-giving MF. Thanks in advance for any answers. That useful list only showed 'positive' completed mission effects.

 

[Ryan Murdoc]

Follow-up question. Is there any negative Influence consequence of taking but not completing a mission and letting the time run out? I know it will create negative Reputation, but I've also assumed it will create negative Influence for the mission-giving MF. Thanks in advance for any answers. That useful list only showed 'positive' completed mission effects.

There once was the ability to take a mission and instantly disband it, causing negative % to the controlling MF at the Station where you did this. They removed that a while ago.

Also, if you look closely, even your mentioned positive completed missions can be negative to the destination MF. Check for the red exclamation mark.

 

[Acceleratio]

Hello guys I have a question about Maia.
So in the galmap it states that the controlling faction is the ant hill mob with 13.5 % current state is "none"
The next minor faction is the Pleiades Ressource Enterprise with 34% State is also "none"

my question is .. how is the Ant Hill mob still in controll? Pretty much all the mayor bases are also STILL in the Mobs hands. Am I just stupid and missing something?

 

[Mrjupp]

They need to match influence for a war or be above 70%. Easier to match influence. Better still have them match another minor faction with a base and grab that, then go after the Ant Hill Mob by getting other minor factions matched with them so they lose bases.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

There once was the ability to take a mission and instantly disband it, causing negative % to the controlling MF at the Station where you did this. They removed that a while ago.

Also, if you look closely, even your mentioned positive completed missions can be negative to the destination MF. Check for the red exclamation mark.

I knew FD had removed the negative Influence effect of abandoning a mission. I thought that might be different from a mission simply running down the clock and expiring. Perhaps I should stop doing that, or test if it does have any effect.

I put 'positive' in quotes for completed missions, because as you say, some missions may have negative consequences for the destination MF (but are usually always positive for the mission-giving MF). But thank you for confirming once again.

 

[Johnny Cyclops]

Hello guys I have a question about Maia.
So in the galmap it states that the controlling faction is the ant hill mob with 13.5 % current state is "none"
The next minor faction is the Pleiades Ressource Enterprise with 34% State is also "none"

my question is .. how is the Ant Hill mob still in controll? Pretty much all the mayor bases are also STILL in the Mobs hands. Am I just stupid and missing something?

It's probable that the PRE MF passed the AHM MF while the latter was already in a State or Pending State either in that system or another. When that happens the Influence matching effect doesn't occur. Like Mrjupp says, you'll need to push your preferred MF above 70% influence to trigger conflict/election, or work to match their influences, possibly by boosting the AHM one - counterintuitive as that sounds. Not sure about boosting other MFs to take over the AHM stations, as you'll still need to then have a conflict/election using your preferred MF, unless your goal is simply to remove the AHM from system control, in which case pick the closest MF below the AHM Inf score and boost that MF. Watch for them having the same government style as that will trigger an election not conflict, and depends which you prefer to use to flip the system - both have their merits.