A potentially great game ruined by spite, incompetence and mediocre performance and poor AA

[Salonica]

Steam reviews? You really think anyone cares about Steam reviews?
I never listen to movie critics ... except one, Mark Kermode. If he hates a movie, I know I'm going to like it. If he likes a movie, I know I'm going to hate it.

Never listen to reviews, esp on Steam

me thinks experience business you lack.

Here's a thing, before I ever buy into space legs, I am going to read reviews. Not magazine reviews, because they are paid promotions. Not on these forums, bucause I knew they will be skewed. No, I'll go to steam, read all the reviews and come away with a balanced idea of what toe xpect, and should I buy or not buy. I'll also keep in mind the previous releases and the following updates. Looking back on Horizons, we're years down the road and still many many bugs still exist in that. Then add in legs and we're into a whole problem of bugs on top of old bugs, and whatever else is wrong. For me if the basic user interface is a mess, then it's not looking good for anything else.

'never listen to reviews' you say... I bet you buy your cars without test drives too?

 

[Scoob101]

And that excuses everything, the worshipping of the share price?

It doesn't excuse anything - but it does explain it.

Nothing will change whilst people continue to purchase and pre-order games which are half-finished, contain gambling mechanics, and other such nonsense. And that behaviour isn't showing any signs of changing - at all.

Releasing bad products is hardly the way to keep the share price high.

It is when people keep buying and pre-ordering them.

When you run a company you have to deliver on your promises to your customers first and foremost,

When you run a publicly-traded company, you have to deliver on your promises to your shareholders first and foremost. Otherwise, you`ll find you've lost control of your company, and your personal fortune has nosedived.

 

[GunnerBill]

The outfitting UI feels like it was designed by a third party company who never even saw Elite before they made it, and read all the requirements from a word document. And I have no idea why they felt the need to replace the perfectly good Station UI with the atrocious Fleet Carrier UI. Its awful

Yes the first thing that happened when I docked at a FC to repair my exploration ship was that I fixed a carefully honed 0% paint job. Boy that really pixxed me off. And now it's in every station?

Grrrrr.

 

[INSTG8R]

It's not a dumpster fire. If you listed point for point everything that was wrong with Odyssey and everything that was at least ok or better .... trust me, the negative list would be much smaller than the positive list.

And just because I post "STOP BEING SO NEGATIVE" is not white-knighting. If that's "white-knighting" to you, I don't think you understand what the term means. Oh and if I was a shill, I'd have gotten a box from Frontier with a terrarium in it ... and I didn't get one. And that's not me calling those who got a box "shills" either, don't misunderstand what I said there.

You see, I have been critical of Frontier releasing Odyssey now (look up my post history, go way back, I literally posted the Picard facepalm meme in reaction to the release date announcement). I don't have to justify my opinion to you, you're a nobody. Do you really think Frontier are going to listen to ANY of these posts moaning about Odyssey?

I've been here, on this forum, longer than 99% of the current membership. I've seen Frontier change over the years. I have a much better idea of how Frontier operate than you (probably, I'm speculating here). And yet, I'm also a nobody to Frontier. They won't listen to me. What makes you think they'll listen to you?

Stop focusing on the negatives. Yes talk about them, that alone will bring to them Frontier's attention. But look for positives as well. It is not a dumpster fire, not at all.

LOL you act like you’re the only one who’s been here since the beginning so that makes you some sort of authority…My Freagle is still parke$ somewhere, so take a seat…this is the worst contenot addition so far, from top to bottom. Do I like what they were trying to do? Yes, but what’s been delivered is just terrible on every level…performance, UI , Graphics, game brealing bugs at every turn theres almost nothing that doesn’t have something wrong with it…

 

[Salonica]

I don't disagree, but the share price is way, way more important, and failing to release Odyssey when the company had committed to do so to its shareholders would have put a fair amount of downward pressure on the share price.


Exactly, because for publicly traded companies the primary vehicle to drive growth is through its share price.

That's a very dangerous and short-sighted view. For sure lots of new sales will raise the share price. However, lots of refunds will damage the share price and the company outlook to further sales. Lots of negative reviews will absolutely damage sales, leading to a downturn in share interest for a long time.

 

[Alien]

If the shoe fits ...


**EDIT:
When ever a conversations starts "I am not X, but ..." it means you are, or, you lack the ability to converse in a manner that isn't so provocative. Either way, calm down - you are not the authority on ED (neither am I) and people are allowed to express their opinions. If the majority of people are complaining about EDO, and you don't agree, that's good for you, but doesn't change the fact that a lot of people are unhappy with EDO. By expressing their displeasure FDEV can do one of a few things - ignore it, double-down, or fix it. Time will tell.

Just because loud voices rage loudly and seem to be the majority ... doesn't make them right.

And no, I'm not an authority on Elite or Frontier and I've never claimed to be. I'm the first person to say I'm an idiot and I know nothing.

 

[Alien]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I'm pretty sure I've said that in this thread (and not just my above post)

 

[Paso]

Absolutely. This 100%. I'm not saying the odyssey is great in all regards, but I am finding it playable and enjoyable. It's obvious it still needs significant improvements in many areas, and I'm also disappointed with some of the UI changes. However, many of the attitudes on here are, well... being a polite as I feel the need to be, you've put it better than I probably could.

I preordered Cyberpunk 2077 and only encountered 2 or 3 bugs while playing it. From my perspective it was a good release. But that doesn't mean that from the perspective of most players it wasn't one of the worst AAA game releases in recent years

 

[Scoob101]

Graphics, game brealing bugs at every turn theres almost nothing that doesn’t have something wrong with it…

On the positive side, the console release will be much better, particularly so if they get an absolute hammering in the reviews and the blogosphere.

As a console gamer, I`m keen for Odyssey to get murdered. It can only mean a better product for us console plebs .

 

[INSTG8R]

On the positive side, the console release will be much better, particularly so if they get an absolute hammering in the reviews and the blogosphere.

As a console gamer, I`m keen for Odyssey to get murdered. It can only mean a better product for us console plebs .

Or the flip side is it”s beyond any chance of running on consoles and goes the way of CP2077

 

[Ian Skippy]

At this point, after all the negativity from people who simply have no idea how businesses work, if I was Frontier, I would probably say something like "If that's the gratitude we're going to get for three years hard work and improvements, having to cope with the difficulties Covid forced upon us .... if that's how you all feel, I guess we'll call it a day for Elite." And call up Amazon and shut down the servers.

Seriously, I'm not being a white knight here, but it's getting ridiculous. If you redecorated someone's house, and they paid you for it. Then you had to put up with constant, non-stop hate and criticism about EVERYTHING .... how long would it take for you to lose it and tell them to get lost? (that's me being polite and trying to stay within the forum rules).

I'm increasingly becoming of the opinion that 98% of the player-base can simply get lost and play Star Citizen, X4, No Man's Sky, Dual Universe, Space Engineers, Call Of Duty, PUBG, Fortnite, Doom, Days Gone ..... basically ANY OTHER GAME EXCEPT THIS ONE, because it seems no matter what Frontier does you won't ever be happy.

Try looking for the positives instead of focusing on the negatives. That doesn't mean ignore the negatives, just stop making things a bigger problem than they really are FCOL.

EDIT: Also, I fully expect every one of you who refund, to close your forum account as well and never show your faces in this community again.

When NMS/X:R/X4 released you had the same drama anyway. Some of the people loudly claiming they are asking refunds and will quit ED have done sone over and over for years now. Keep in mind that everyone deals with frustration in different ways, and some people struggle to differentiate minor issues. Way back in 2015 we had people claim they'd quit ED over the release of the Adder, because it didn't look like the Adder as described in lore.

ED has had patches that offered far, far less than EDO and were far more problematic on launch. The forums burn down for a bit, the usual suspects loudly proclaim they are leaving and after a while a few patches are launched and it all calms down. Its a shame FD repeatedly launches things in these states, it is also sad that this communities consists of so many maladjusted manchildren. Maybe this company deserves this community, and visa versa.

 

[Scoob101]

That's a very dangerous and short-sighted view.

Not for publicly traded companies, it isn't.

However, lots of refunds will damage the share price and the company outlook to further sales.

That will only happen if and things are so persistent that the company cannot then deliver on its forecasted sales - and as I said before whilst people continue to buy and pre-order half-finished games, this simply isn't the problem that it should be.


I get you are looking at this from a more moral standpoint, but I`m afraid morality isn't part of the equation. This is only about business.

 

[Alien]

Why do you expect that? There's an implication in your post that infers that you are correct and everyone else is wrong, and should follow your example.. Is that not a little conceited? You say play any other game to them, yet how does 'read any other thread' sound to you? You're not the boss of anyone around here.

Very conceited.
I am an idiot nobody that knows literally nothing about game development. Don't listen to anything I have to say.

However ...

I'm also not insisting Odyssey is a dumpster fire and Frontier are scum and have lied and committed fraud etc etc etc ....

Yes, maybe I need to calm down, but everyone raging about Odyssey should also calm down. All this raging will not fix Odyssey.

 

[Scoob101]

Or the flip side is it”s beyond any chance of running on consoles and goes the way of CP2077

A game that recouped its development and marketing costs in its first two weeks.

I`m sorry, but the problem isn't the games industry, it's us.

 

[Paso]

Very conceited.
I am an idiot nobody that knows literally nothing about game development. Don't listen to anything I have to say.

However ...

I'm also not insisting Odyssey is a dumpster fire and Frontier are scum and have lied and committed fraud etc etc etc ....

Yes, maybe I need to calm down, but everyone raging about Odyssey should also calm down. All this raging will not fix Odyssey.

Maybe people think that it will send a message to FD.

 

[INSTG8R]

A game that recouped its development and marketing costs in its first two weeks.

I`m sorry, but the problem isn't the games industry, it's us.

Heh I bought CP2077 in June of 2020…I don”t regret my purchase at all but I’m a PC gamer and my PS4 is just a Blu Ray. Player

 

[Ian Skippy]

A game that recouped its development and marketing costs in its first two weeks.

I`m sorry, but the problem isn't the games industry, it's us.

We feel $40 is too much for a product hundreds of people worked on for two years, were deeply furious when it was delayed for a few months, expect hundreds or thousands of hours entertainment for a few tenners and refuse to stop pre-ordering games even when there is literally no point to it. We then call every game in the genre that releases the worst thing ever and rage for months while providing the companies with unheard of profits.

Then we wonder why nothing changes.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

At this point, after all the negativity from people who simply have no idea how businesses work, if I was Frontier, I would probably say something like "If that's the gratitude we're going to get for three years hard work and improvements, having to cope with the difficulties Covid forced upon us .... if that's how you all feel, I guess we'll call it a day for Elite." And call up Amazon and shut down the servers.

Seriously, I'm not being a white knight here, but it's getting ridiculous. If you redecorated someone's house, and they paid you for it. Then you had to put up with constant, non-stop hate and criticism about EVERYTHING .... how long would it take for you to lose it and tell them to get lost? (that's me being polite and trying to stay within the forum rules).

I'm increasingly becoming of the opinion that 98% of the player-base can simply get lost and play Star Citizen, X4, No Man's Sky, Dual Universe, Space Engineers, Call Of Duty, PUBG, Fortnite, Doom, Days Gone ..... basically ANY OTHER GAME EXCEPT THIS ONE, because it seems no matter what Frontier does you won't ever be happy.

Try looking for the positives instead of focusing on the negatives. That doesn't mean ignore the negatives, just stop making things a bigger problem than they really are FCOL.

EDIT: Also, I fully expect every one of you who refund, to close your forum account as well and never show your faces in this community again.

Completely agree. Personally I had s great time in ED last night. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.

 

[TheChosen]

Don't like Odyssey? As for a refund.. it is the only thing that gets the message across to Frontier that they should try harder.

Personally I did not even buy it yet.. because I am not impressed by the FPS aspect of it (I've played FPS games since Duke 3D.. so I don't need yet another one).

I was a bit sad Horizons is not getting the new planetary tech, new lightning and new UI ... but ... after seeing all the complaints here on this forum. I am HAPPY that Horizons is staying as it is. If anything, I hope it stays like that forever.. or until Odyssey fixes all its issues.

 

[[VR] DDM_Reaper20]

Very conceited.
I am an idiot nobody that knows literally nothing about game development. Don't listen to anything I have to say.

However ...

I'm also not insisting Odyssey is a dumpster fire and Frontier are scum and have lied and committed fraud etc etc etc ....

Yes, maybe I need to calm down, but everyone raging about Odyssey should also calm down. All this raging will not fix Odyssey.

I think everybody here is aware that FDev did not do this out of spite, or ill will, as that would be quite illogical (and depressingly daft).

Creating a stink about the product itself (without insulting the developing team, who, I think, are the least responsible (I doubt they get to put their own deadlines, after all)) is certainly useful. Negative feedback is invaluable, as it allows to follow up on bugs and quash 'em.

Getting personal about it is about as useful as a chocolate teapot, as the guys doing the legwork undoubtedly are NOT sitting at home, rubbing their hands with glee and chortling, "Look at the salt flow, isn't that awesome?" I'd not be surprised at all if quite a few of them were actually very upset. Professionals do tend to take pride in their work.

I've been playing this game for six years, and I do intend to continue to do so. Bought a Rift S -- for this game. Upgraded my screen card -- for this game. I'm here to stay.
That said, I won't touch Odyssey with a ten-foot pole, 'cause it offers nothing that truly grabs my attention . . . not to mention all those bugs.

Edit: I love analogies myself, but the one about decorating somebody's house is not one I'd use. THIS is software, easily rectified, whereas the other is not. There is another issue, one which I'll touch (with some levity) below.

Imagine having someone over to spruce up your bathroom. Unfortunately, the dudes in question are a bit forgetful, not to mention colourblind, so the wall and floor tiles are in the wrong colour, and the plumbing doesn't work. The customers, outraged, starts frothing at the mouth and is about to tear the workers a new one . . . but wait . . . those three dudes are of the beefy variety, muscular, and they don't look like they'd be at all adverse to a game of "shoving that blighter's teeth down his tonsils"... on second thought, why not sit down and have a discussion about this...

I'm sure you get my point. I do agree, though, that manners are never optional. Insults and personal attacks are unnecessary, as they detract from the real issue, and allow dismissing constructive criticism along with the attacks.