I love reading the stories of the people who encountered me, don't see them as much anymore, probably because there isn't as many people on the forums as there was before, thanks though repped.I got caught by orc twice, escaped once, second time he got me left me floating needing a reboot, but damage costs weren't too bad.
Genuine pirate and honorably left me alive (altho it was two against one)
A request for FDev; please provide an update regarding Logging/Combat Logging
- Thread starter Hairy Polo
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Who's actually saying you're a "bad guy"? And is it constructive to use silly terms like "carebears" when trying to resolve community issues?
If I was in Open and you tried to pirate me, I'd deal with the consequences one way or another. If you tried to ambush me for no reason, I'd log, as should be any player's right. This seems quite simple to me.
Yea i added you as friend afterward as it being properly pirated did add that little extra. (plus, shhh, I can see where you are in game now
).It's definitely quieter now tho, was in open for little while last night and only two friends on list were even on the game. Xbox, near Met 20.
Oddly was in ps4 couple days ago and seemed more life there, altho was near Sol so probably explains that.
Sorry, apparently can't rep you, but very well said.
There is a world of difference between pirating, bounty hunting or power play conflict and just attacking another player to ruin their game.
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This ^^^^^
....A lot of this will come across as abrasive so my apologies as I tried to edit and rewrite it a few different ways.
In short I'm trying to say your role is considered other than you consider it by those of us who are O K with playing with others but not O K with being blown up outside of a logical reason that we'd likely experience from an NPC pirate.
Here goes:
That's an interesting position you have....that you are good but only viewed bad due to a portrayal by others, in use of a derogatory term like "care bears" by yourself. You don't even know the other players but have already decided because they aren't open to the types of interactions you seek, where you are intentionally hoping to prevent them from progressing to a destination without the intent to take their cargo, to you means they fit a stereotypical derogatory term.
I personally am considering you a bad person because the intentionally derogatory term that you willing apply to me or players like me who don't seek to attack or be attacked outside of normal gameplay that we would also expect an NPC to exhibit.
You write you are a pirate...but its followed by your intent to knock out their drives entirely but accidentally blow then entire ship up...because of the missiles you fire. Its impossible for me to consider you as a pirate if your immediate intent is to fire lethal shots.
-Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to target the ship using Hatch Breaker limpets instead of firing missiles or even targeting the hatch with pulse lasers or some type of gimballed gun over missiles?
-Its really odd to use missiles because they obviously do a lot more damage so I can't in any way consider that not an intent to destroy the ship which as a result makes it not a mistake as those were intentionally fired. There is absolutely 0% of likelihood that a pirate who isn't being fired upon should ever shoot missiles first and then say they are being a pirate.
You are literally going to blow up most if not all of the valuable cargo you're suppose to be after.
-In terms of having enemies, well this would make sense IF THEY KNOW they are an enemy. In those cases it would be consensual combat but this is only where I see Combat logging coming into play
-In terms of combat logging....I think there is a lack of context....If you are being a Pirate or Mercenary or Enemy, Terrorist, etc. and the other player isn't consensual and they log out to avoid being destroyed, that isn't combat logging. Its an obvious occurrence that should be interpreted as "leave me alone" rather than sticking around to hunt them or others.
I use the term griefer as referenced Here: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Griefers
I also use the term Pirate as referenced Here: http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Pirate
Pirates
are NPCs and players who attack other
ships for their
cargo for monetary gain as the primary goal.
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I'm in no way supporting ganking or griefing but my experiences with PirateOrc were purely pirating. He only fired when I ran, and only to disable, after I ran. He warned me not log (not that I ever would or have), or run, as just wanted some cargo, and so perfectly reasonable roleplay as pirate.
When he disabled my ship he stopped and a little bit of cargo was enough to keep me alive. I limped back to port all good. Fun interchange to the usual. Would recommend it to anyone.
Pirate does not equal griefer/ganker.
Fly safe, and wary cmdrs o7
When he disabled my ship he stopped and a little bit of cargo was enough to keep me alive. I limped back to port all good. Fun interchange to the usual. Would recommend it to anyone.
Pirate does not equal griefer/ganker.
Fly safe, and wary cmdrs o7
Good to read, again all I can go off is what was written...however I'd like to point out the bold.
If you did log out, that's not combat logging
That's the whole point of this discussion as you're not required to participate
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That simply is not piracy and killing traders intentionally is not what Orc and I do. We both pirate traders. It's about the cargo not the kill. I admit, I have killed traders, rarely, as has Orc but its not often. Its usually an accident. One very clear way to know if you're being pirated is the message before interdiction and after. 'Griefers' can't be bothered with comms. Comply and you'll be OK. Run and we will try to disable your ship and extract cargo. Also, if you comply, you get 24hrs of 'protection' from us. If you don't, you're fair game again. It's an incentive to comply. Experienced traders know and understand this. It's the inexperienced traders that are the most unpredictable. Piracy is good for ED. Of course that's my opinion though. Logging ruins a legitimate play style and 'career' in ED. It also adds content for traders. I used to play a trader a long time ago (~3 yrs ago before turned to piracy) and getting pirated used to break up the boredom of trading and added a nice twist on things.
Shame we've had no response from FDev on the OP.
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I'm thinking there would be a lot of value if there was something in the UI that facilitated a player to player interaction to make it more meaningful.
If anyone can imagine a redesign of the comms box where it become quick, easy and obvious to interact, accept, deny requests like pirating
Maybe even combat so that would be a good way to address and clarify actual combat logging as you'd see two people agree to it and then take action as a developer
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Good response I'll let you off for putting the word griefers in quotes. XD
These are the people that cause logging without question.
A pirate needs to be ruthless and needs to be feared in order to command respect and compliance. If you interdicted me and made a demand, I would fully expect to be killed for non compliance. That's fair.
I have only been pirated twice and I have to say that being able to interract in this way brings an enormous amount to this game. So hat's off yo you guys. Obvs I'm a trader and you are my sworn enemy so forget I said that.
There should be an option to hotkey bespoke phrases in comms to help xboners.
The cargo should be worth lots more on the black market if pirated to make it more rewarding.
thanks for that, I didn't make that clear to smurf who got the wrong idea but this is correct, if ppl run I give them a chance to stop but if they don't then I fire missiles just as you said. I would rep you again however I need to spread some.
that is combat logging, if players don't want player interaction then they should remain out of a mode which pvp is a thing. As for my last post I didn't make it clear what way I pirate. what mr cynical said above is correct, this is how I operate. we do not force players to play our games as they decided to come into open, they might want co op with other cmdrs but they can not pick and choose.
it is bad and unfortunate as it makes people quit open or the game entirely however that is the way they play
if you run we will disable you but not kill you. if a type 6,7,9 or any weak trade ship shoots at me with a low rank then I wont kill you however an elite or deadly conda or cutter then yes I might as you should know better or your just feeling lucky.
It literally isn’t combat logging as defined by Sandro
Further, the idea you are holding as true, that someone who doesn’t want the experiences you want must play in another mode entirely is the false.
I do better understand your pirate role HOWEVER the way you think this all should works negates that.
Think of it this way....how is it that you should be free to pirate any and everyone regardless of if they want to participate or not but if they don’t, and they log out or complain it makes them a “care bear”?
So then we see the term “griefer” assigned to you in specific situations where you’re actually trying to force someone to play they way you want to but not how they want to so...therefore they must leave the sandbox. Your or cmdrs who may hold your ideas are often unwilling to be open to other people’s desires of gameplay and that does make you a bad person to them.
The sandbox doesn’t belong to any of us
Its simply provided as a place to play
It works best if we all learn to get along with one another instead of flinging derogatory terms towards one another and citing someone as cheating.
What I do is look to devs comments and official posts and that’s helped me better understand things. Watching the live dev or recorded devs shows also helps me understand different perspectives while holding as best I can the developers intended design of gameplay.
The only real solution is a Drastic UI change that prompts and requires an accept, deny or request interaction for anything from pirating, combat, power play, etc.
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I believe smurf was calling me a bad guy, the term carebear isn't constructive but is a great way to describe someone who believes any form of pvp is griefing and believe me ive came across them.
as to your last bit of your post I totally disagree as il give you example of an ambush in piracy which actually did happen.
Me and another cmdr found a post on elite dangerous club on xbox which I'm now banned from for griefing simply because I posted piracy videos there. So we messaged the person and got in a party with them under the believe that we were traders. They told us the route and we sat at the system where they hand in the imp slaves. One of them entered the system and we made our demands clear over the xbox live party. that is a form of ambush which happened yes you say for no reason but that could be they're perspective regardless of my intentions as they might feel its pointless.link to the video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1MWyG_Qlo
Yes i would define a lot of this as characteristics of a bad player to interact with on this game for Xbox.
You as a human....Im not saying you are bad as that’s a completely different thing.
You as a human seem fine as we are discussing a pretty sensitive topic and (I hope I’m being civil) but I feel you are being civil to me and others.
-In reference to you getting banned ...I’d say that would mean something you’re doing isn’t acceptable in the Xbox gaming sense? That’s not good especially when it involves playing this
you talk about theyre consent to participate in being pirated etc isn't correct. open is open to all play styles but not logging, what you refer to is menu logging which through frontiers eyes is ok but through mine and others it is still an another form of combat logging. I'm not saying that people who don't like pvp is a carebear, I'm saying that there has been cmdrs who complain to me that I shouldn't be doing this because I'm wasting people time or they feel that its not part of the game, only npc should do it.