As you wish. Proof attached.
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Notice A statement on cheating in Elite Dangerous.
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Proof that's it's an offtopic post that wasn't contributing to the thread.
That's not censorship, there are a large number of posts in this thread criticising Frontier on this, but they're still there for all to see.
If however posts are insulting others FD or posters or just Off Topic then they'll get removed.
However, Yeah a lot of people are unhappy about this subject at the moment I really do get that, I personally would like to see more transparent punitive action taken against cheaters, but at this moment this is what FD are prepared to say.
Now if that changes in the future then great it'll be good to see those who take an unfair advantage brought to task.
So feel free to continue discussing the subject by all means.
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I feel you.in practical terms i'm in the same boat. since i don't pvp and fly seldom outside solo i couldn't care less about these cheats.
the thing is, me being mostly in solo is 50% due to how awful the pvp implementation in elite is, which traces back to many of the causes that make these cheats a thing in the first place. for me this was already crisp clear with combat logging: the effect itself is barely consequential. what it means, not at all.
the other 50% is engineers which, funnily enough, several have compared to cheating, which it isn't ... at least not legally.
so, with this premise: yes, they should just apologize, publicly disqualify pvp, reclassify the game as the family game it is, maybe compensate players in some clever way and move on concentrating on keeping fleshing out the galaxy ... oh wait, they aren't doing that anyway.
i even see some poetic justice in all this, though i do feel sorry for all those who had hopes. yeah and who could resist a bit of drama! it gets lonely in solo ...
I consider Elite a single player/ private group sandbox-kind of game. Open play is just for the lols. But the game developed such a fearsome pvp community, with a tight sense of competition, that it would be kind of obvious, if not destiny, that cheaters and exploiters would come to shake it all.
So, what if open play dies away because of it? We still have private groups for those that want to do pvp properly.
And maybe, in the long run, that is a good thing, a different thing, to set Elite Dangerous apart from all the other MMOs out there, and their toxic competitive behaviour.
i really don't think this is the case. as said, the thread is proof of heavy criticism being possible.
i've got posts removed myself, on occasion. sometimes i understood why, sometimes not. what's most irking in these cases is making comparisions (e.g. with other posts that got through). so ... don't
well, that's subjective, and moderators are human. and even if fdev is ultimately responsible for this forum, that's a long shot to talk about corporate censorship.i just saw your post pic and, well ... the last sentence was definitely out of place and just anger. accusing frontier of supporting 5c is also a bit rough. dunno, gray area?
That isn't what 'on topic' means.
Can you proof it the contrary? Don't come here with proofs, this will not help anyone as neither of us has access to the code and I am not willing to break any rules or laws just for making the point that if a software team acknowledges security issues in their software and does nothing about it that the likelihood of other so far unknown security breaches is much higher than if they would actually do something. This response is the same they released when we found out they didn't do anything against loggers and thus we can assume that nothing is done against any security breaches either.
Also I already stated that I don't know what is going around under the hood.
Detecting and banning accounts has absolutely nothing to do with actually fixing the problem and closing the holes. This is what is important and this is what is being ignored. Proactive > Reactive.
First you say it was certain, now it is 'much higher'? Anyway, you are the one making big claims so you are the one to bring big proof. You cant just start yelling stuff without backing it up.
Oi! CMDR KnickersInnaTwist, there, relax. Your comments were clearly antagonistic and took the DevPost out of context and attached context to them that was never implied. Find a Jammy Dodger, get a cuppa, and call down.
But think of the fun.
again, moderators are human. you should also accept that your post didn't have much content. full inventory of these two lines: two ot, a gross accusation, and a snarky remark to a frontier employee (not a mod!), and nothing else of substance. i can see why a moderator would flag that.
all being said, i don't like the process of silently deleting posts either. editing or just voiding them would be way better. an automated pm saying your post has been moderated would be a nice touch.
however in my own experience, criticism and even trolling a bit around in good spirit is indeed very possible if you also throw a bone in now and then.
A person was cheating - this we know
A person who was cheating was banned - this we heard
Seems like justice was served.
If said individual was just tired of playing after cheating for months and decided to go out with a bang, or just had a giggle, then what it actually highlights is how bloodthirsty folks here seem to be for justice, enough to call a cheater a hero for being a jerk.
Without the ability to guarantee a cheat free experience, a ban list just serves no real purpose. It might give some a feeling of justice, even if they haven't ever encountered a cheater, but it likely wouldn't create the sense of security some here seem to imply that it would.
So if anyone openly advertises their cheats, they basically reported themselves and they get dealt with. If someone else reports them, they likely get investigated. If they get banned, why do you need to know? They could simply reappear under a pseudonym.
Ah, I see where you take that certainly from. Yes, a little inaccurate expression. It is more of a phrase I frequently use. Anyhow, since you really insist: you can spam the bandwidth of all instance members by deploying a fighter and spamming commands via hotkeys. Lags and a bandwidth usage of up to 100% (tested with 20MB/s downstream connections) is possible. All background downloads will automatically be paused and it basically makes any background process using an internet connection useless. While this isn't a direct security issue, it certainly is an exploit that goes beyond ship Rebuy and annoyance. You can check this acknowledged issue by FDev on their issue tracker as a proof.First you say it was certain, now it is 'much higher'? Anyway, you are the one making big claims so you are the one to bring big proof. You cant just start yelling stuff without backing it up.
Haha, okay, no idea that was possible.
It is indeed not directly a security issue, but I see your point. One would imagine something as basic as a 1s cooldown would fix that, no?I also play in solo. Maybe I'll run into you one day.in practical terms i'm in the same boat. since i don't pvp and fly seldom outside solo i couldn't care less about these cheats.
the thing is, me being mostly in solo is 50% due to how awful the pvp implementation in elite is, which traces back to many of the causes that make these cheats a thing in the first place. for me this was already crisp clear with combat logging: the effect itself is barely consequential. what it means, not at all.
the other 50% is engineers which, funnily enough, several have compared to cheating, which it isn't ... at least not legally.
so, with this premise: yes, they should just apologize, publicly disqualify pvp, reclassify the game as the family game it is, maybe compensate players in some clever way and move on concentrating on keeping fleshing out the galaxy ... oh wait, they aren't doing that anyway.
i even see some poetic justice in all this, though i do feel sorry for all those who had hopes. yeah and who could resist a bit of drama! it gets lonely in solo ...
I'm curious can you link a video? Seems hard to believe that a pvper would post videos with them cheating, and that you could tell a 15% distro buff just from watching it.
Pretty sure that would come under naming and shaming. It's called paying attention mate.
Where you been anyways? Aint seen your face in a very long time.
i've been trying to bring this point across several times. people are (imo) too obsessed with punishment, and that's only half of the story. justice need not be perfect to work, it just has to be predictable enough to be feared and trusted. if it isn't predictable, harsher penalties even work against the principle, because they make 'justice' appear to be unjust, hence the enemy, not the protector.
this was a tricky one. i learnt only recently that this was a regular cheater. however, he also immediately became a celebrity and an iconic display of frontier's shortcomings. you can't simply shoot such a guy, no matter the rationale, without hitting yourself in the foot too (or in the knee if you use arrows). you have to explain very well why and what.
dunno if frontier missed this political aspect completely, or simply chose to maintain poker face no matter what. also, in this case 'frontier' is abstract. we don't know who, this could have been just a support guy who had no idea about the whole hassle and just treated a report in a routinary way. actually, we don't have clue as to who actually is aware in frontier about this whole topic and the decision power they have. that could indeed be part of the problem, internal communication.
Can you send me a direct private message with the name or video?
My cmdr got hit by a bus
Go watch videos on youtube and compare.
I'm gonna try keep my interaction with you to a minimum tyvm, all things considered.
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