Notice A statement on cheating in Elite Dangerous.

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Morbad

Morbad
Commander Danicus said:
Will you continue to pvp, pp, bgs knowing that you'll be playing against invinci bots?
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Yes, because the alternative is having a small minority of cheaters dictate the experience I receive from this game to me.

I'll continue to play, continue to extract the enjoyment I can, and continue to argue for improvements...including more prompt and reliable detection and punishment for cheaters...that would further increase the level of enjoyment I can obtain from the game.

It's not like I'm paying a monthly subscription or anything...and I only make Frontier store purchases when Frontier makes tangible improvements to their product.

Vandaahl said:
Of course. Whatever number Frontier will come up with, whatever they are going to state about countermeasures and what not, no one will ever believe it. So in the light of that, having all the info in the world is as good as having nothing at all.
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Description of a credible system, combined with third-party reports/complaints from banned cheaters, would be proof enough.
 

znôrt

znôrt
Schmack said:
I get the impression that some here believe Elite Dangerous is about these groups, the streaming, the discords and forums and what they care about. I think it's more of a general video game that the developers have to support with the notion that one voice isn't more important than the next, a customer is a customer and a user is a user. That's why I think they approach it from a more clinical perspective. They have rules and procedures, they follow them. We sometimes want exceptions and they cannot take community tide movement as a wind vane for how they need to proceed.
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i agree. that's what i (sort of) implied as poker face.

but, you see, being clinical it's just another franchise, right? how much will a company invest in revamping such a title in multiplayer specifc tech and development which they obviously don't yet have, for the single one title they have that is completely out of their usual line of work, which has already been hugely profitable and even so has made it to the near end of its life? (not counting new era)

they have a customer base, though, and a reputation. and social media matters a great deal to them, that's why they have specifically engineered presence there. the same it amplifies their message, it amplifies their crap. i have no doubt that they want to deal with that. the question is how.

the fundamental piece of information for the customers here is "has there been a change in course of action as up to date". anything that could create that perception and be somehow credible enough would do. anything. it's worth noting that the actions up to date, which they have consistently described as 'serious commitment', have brought us into this sorry mess in the first place. so insisting on 'serious commitment' is already a meme, right? a change in course would be very much in order, and specially the reassurement to the customer base too.

of course it's on them to decide. some gesture, or just let it happen. we can only speculate, and meanwhile that just generate more hype, more noise around the silence. maybe they do have a good solution? will it come soon enough? maybe they have a contingency plan, instead? maybe they just don't care?

Schmack said:
I don't think anyone not violating rules should have any communication about someone else who was and was dealt with. It's not the same as having a game related issue like a bug or something. It would be more like seeing someone shoplift or some cashier gifting things to their friends while you wait in line. You can report it, but they won't get back to you with updates on who was punished and how.
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no, of course not. i'd even expect legal problems with that.
 
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Schmack

Schmack
znôrt said:
i agree. that's what i (sort of) implied as poker face.

but, you see, being clinical it's just another franchise, right? how much will a company invest in revamping such a title in multiplayer specifc tech and development which they obviously don't yet have, for the single one title they have that is completely out of their usual line of work, which has already been hugely profitable and even so has made it to the near end of its life? (not counting new era)

they have a customer base, though, and a reputation. and social media matters a great deal to them, that's why they have specifically engineered presence there. the same it amplifies their message, it amplifies their crap. i have no doubt that they want to deal with that. the question is how.

the fundamental piece of information for the customers here is "has there been a change in course of action as up to date". anything that could create that perception and be somehow credible enough would do. anything. it's worth noting that the actions up to date, which they have consistently described as 'serious commitment', have brought us into this sorry mess in the first place. so insisting on 'serious commitment' is already a meme, right? a change in course would be very much in order, and specially the reassurement to the customer base too.

of course it's on them to decide. some gesture, or just let it happen. we can only speculate, and meanwhile that just generate more hype, more noise around the silence. maybe they do have a good solution? will it come soon enough? maybe they have a contingency plan, instead? maybe they just don't care?



no, of course not. i'd even expect legal problems with that.
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The canary in the cave, so to speak, for FDev will be profits. If those dwindle someone will have to find out why. It will either be user distrust or simply lack of development. Whichever is easier to tackle will be tackled/funded assuming viability and ROI meets requirements.
 

Darth Ender

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most players dont interact with other players. Most players wont ever notice if another player is cheating. Most cheating wont ever impact the game or experience of most other players. It just comes down to the fact that the majority of time anyone is playing the game is not spent being forced into pvp encounters and you dont need to cheat to have infinite money and min-maxed ships to manipulate the bgs.

I highly doubt Fdev cares about cheaters. They care more people talking about cheaters because that drives players away and keeps players from purchasing. So it benefits them to not give you numbers, not address things publicly, to prohibit posting evidence on their forum, to implement undetectable means of "punishment" and to play down any issues when silence isn't enough to let forum uproar die down.

I'm not too sure i'd get too upset about cheaters in this game. What are you really being robbed of that the game didn't rob you of before by design?
 

AbsinthSvK

AbsinthSvK
they probably even dont have statistics, logs to ban people whos cheating. That is hacker paradise. You can even cheat in solo nobody see you but changing galaxy to others. That is probably why there is no open market and zero interest to player to player interaction. Better make some dino zoo and not space sim... This game is dead inside "galaxy is empty" yes it is and years no big changes only empty words.
 
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Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
Old Duck said:
Maybe the reason cheating is not a "The sky is falling!" issue for me is that there are so many other bugs that negatively affect my game regardless of mode or activity, way more than any cheating. Funny thing is that if I complain about said bugs, most of the people in this thread are quick to defend Frontier and to tell me and others to shove off, but when it's something that affects you, you're suddenly a more hateful lot towards Frontier than I've ever been..
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Don't worry, I hate FD for both of those and other things :)
 

Undeadchaoss

Undeadchaoss
Everyone's like bla, bla, bla this is a dumb statement but i'm just sitting here playing Inner Circle - Bad Boys (Cops theme) go get them fdev.
 
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Agony_Aunt

Agony_Aunt
Gregg Rulz ok said:
Rather, that's what they are willing to say.
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Well, if we are going to get all grammatical about it, then yes. Technically speaking they could reveal everything they know and publish their anti-cheat code to allow the community to critique it. :p

Semantics aside, you know what i meant i think.
 

Warmedxmints

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Schmack said:
No I didn't mean to quote someone else. You're basically saying there are cheaters in the game and FD needs to do something about it. As an example, you mention a known cheater who was banned. If you have evidence the individual was cheating before that instance, have you presented it to FDev? If you don't, then as far as you know, the instance where the cheater was actually cheating resulted in a ban.

The rest seems to be paranoia about this nebulous cheater base who needs to be dealt with in a nebulous way, just something to mitigate the feeling of impropriety you might feel while playing. You're not offering any real suggestions, and the magical "algorithm" solution is handwavium.

Many here called the guy a hero and really looked up to him for griefing openly then recently it seems reports surfaced that he cheated for months prior to this. Is he still a hero? Can I steal from you for years then become your hero by showing you how easy you can be robbed so you can finally increase your security?
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Ok then, I guess you do not read too well then as you are arguing some points I never made. I didn't ever state I have any evidence of anyone cheating, someone else stated that this protestor had been using cheats for months nor did I ever state he was a hero, in fact, I said anyone using cheats should be banned.

I'll try again and maybe typing slowly will help, the claim was made that an individual had been using cheats for months in PVP and it appears his use of such cheats was not discovered until he decided to use them in a very public manner. That highlights that there is either a flaw in a detection system or there is no detection system and FDEV rely solely on user reports to weed out any cheaters. If they are only relying on reports, that would be an awful system as there will always be false reports due to some who will not accept being outplayed.

There is also nothing magical about an algorithm. It isn't hard to program one nor refine as you get more data. You combine that with patching the vulnerabilities in code and hopefully you make cheating too difficult before you lose the player base. It won't happen though as the people paying the bills will not feel it is worth the cost until it is too late.
 

sollisb

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Agony_Aunt said:
Well, if we are going to get all grammatical about it, then yes. Technically speaking they could reveal everything they know and publish their anti-cheat code to allow the community to critique it. :p

Semantics aside, you know what i meant i think.
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What anti-cheat code is that then?

Doesn't seem to work very well now does it?
 
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