Notice A statement on cheating in Elite Dangerous.

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sollisb

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Ok then, I guess you do not read too well then as you are arguing some points I never made. I didn't ever state I have any evidence of anyone cheating, someone else stated that this protestor had been using cheats for months nor did I ever state he was a hero, in fact, I said anyone using cheats should be banned.

I'll try again and maybe typing slowly will help, the claim was made that an individual had been using cheats for months in PVP and it appears his use of such cheats was not discovered until he decided to use them in a very public manner. That highlights that there is either a flaw in a detection system or there is no detection system and FDEV rely solely on user reports to weed out any cheaters. If they are only relying on reports, that would be an awful system as there will always be false reports due to some who will not accept being outplayed.

There is also nothing magical about an algorithm. It isn't hard to program one nor refine as you get more data. You combine that with patching the vulnerabilities in code and hopefully you make cheating too difficult before you lose the player base. It won't happen though as the people paying the bills will not feel it is worth the cost until it is too late.

That's all easier said than done in Elite case. Most of the stuff is done on the client side.

It's already too late.
 
What anti-cheat code is that then?

Doesn't seem to work very well now does it?

Cat and mouse. They put in anti-cheat code, the hackers find a way around it. And so the cycle continues.

Also detection code, FD find ways to detect it, hackers find a way to avoid detection.
 

sollisb

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Cat and mouse. They put in anti-cheat code, the hackers find a way around it. And so the cycle continues.

Also detection code, FD find ways to detect it, hackers find a way to avoid detection.

Lols, mate stop..

He was using it for months.. What does that tell you?

It tells me there are players using these hacks or whatever and Fdev have no clue who, how, or when.

And right now, some player using them still.

When you next login and play, there is a player hacking.

And FDev can't track it, and FDev don;t actively terminate accounts until something is reported. That's fact!
 
Hello Commanders,

We wanted to take some time to address some of the concerns the community has raised regarding the use of cheats in Elite Dangerous.

Cheating in our game is something that we take very seriously, and do not condone. Using a cheat engine, mod, hack etc. is in direct violation of the Terms and Service and EULA agreed to by all players upon setting up a Frontier account. We support honest competition between players, different playstyles and each Commander’s ability to blaze their own trail, and we strive for them to be able to do this in a fair, safe environment.

We continuously work alongside our development and support teams to combat the tools that make cheating possible, and to take action against accounts found to be using them.

As with any online game, combatting cheating is an ongoing process, and something that we are always working against. We work continuously to review and improve the tools, tracking and the safeguards required in order to tackle issues when they arise. We are not able to discuss the specifics of tools and processes that we have, as this would give the cheaters a significant advantage in being able to circumvent these efforts.

When it comes to taking actions against accounts we have identified as using cheats, we review every report on a case by case basis. While there has been a level of discussion regarding these cheats within the community recently, we can assure people that the number of people using these are a very tiny number of players. We are still working on new and improved ways of stopping these cheats and tracking and measuring activity now and in the past.

We strongly advise that no player runs Elite Dangerous using a cheat client, hack, software mod etc as this will put your account at risk now, and in the future.

We also advise against promoting or publicising of any programs which claim to mod/hack or cheat for Elite Dangerous. Doing so can give players a false sense of legitimacy regarding these programs and ultimately lead to increased risk to players accounts. Rest assured that we continue to actively work on and address cheating in all forms and will continue to do so.

If you come across a player you suspect is cheating, please do use the in-game reporting tool to send us that information. You’re also welcome to contact our support team via a ticket to provide supporting evidence such as photos or videos.

Thank you for your time, and fly safe.
No. I am not going to say "thank you FD", because you don't deserve it IMO.

Deal with the cheaters first. Then we can talk. This statement is just corporate rubbish to try and appease the shareholders who are now worried about profits.

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Exactly, Money talks here... I trade stocks for a living, and it's pretty easy to see that the Majority Shareholders won't let them deal with cheating, Like say Destiny 2 or another game for that matter
 
And FDev can't track it, and FDev don;t actively terminate accounts until something is reported. That's fact!

Well, Not really "fact"... I've reported countless cheaters (Loggers with proof) and nothings been done... Needs to be a "Staged Protest" of some sorts in order for them to act, A simple report won't, and have not worked in the past
 
If they are cool with modifying game files, why won't they simply add a customization option under Graphics with three sliders for RGB?
The official answer to this from 2015 or so was: there are already tools that do this, no need to implement that feature.
In other words they are too lazy and didn't want to invest that one week to add this much requested feature.
 
The official answer to this from 2015 or so was: there are already tools that do this, no need to implement that feature.
In other words they are too lazy and didn't want to invest that one week to add this much requested feature.
Meanwhile, Rebel Galaxy Outlaw will allow you to fully customize one ship's textures...
A small game development team can do wonders, when they stick to single player. XD
 
What anti-cheat code is that then?

Doesn't seem to work very well now does it?

The fact that you see evidence of cheating doesn’t mean that the anti cheating code isn’t very effective for all anyone other than the cheaters and FDev know it could be stopping 99.99% of attempts, but for various reasons neither side is likely to publish the figures.
 

sollisb

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The fact that you see evidence of cheating doesn’t mean that the anti cheating code isn’t very effective for all anyone other than the cheaters and FDev know it could be stopping 99.99% of attempts, but for various reasons neither side is likely to publish the figures.

Sorry CMDR, a player managed to block the grill in Jameson for 90 minutes, was immune to all station fire and then managed to insta jump out of system.

If you're trying to tell me that, that kind of activity is only representative of .1% of hacks you are either trolling me, white knighting or completely lacking any cognisant education of hacking.
 
Sorry CMDR, a player managed to block the grill in Jameson for 90 minutes, was immune to all station fire and then managed to insta jump out of system.

If you're trying to tell me that, that kind of activity is only representative of .1% of hacks you are either trolling me, white knighting or completely lacking any cognisant education of hacking.

I am trying to tell you that the only people who could know the figures are FDev and the hackers. No more intent to troll on my part than there was in your post that I was responding to.

I will admit proudly to not having had any education in hacking, my programming skills, such as they where, are limited to a couple of ancient versions of Basic and Fortran IV, nowadays I doubt if I could write an Excel macro if I could find a version of Excel old enough that I recognised.
 
That's also something that FD should easily be able to check (e.g. by creating a quick dummy connection) whenever someone goes to Open - if they wanted to. Apparently they don't though...

And then people would just look at those connections and allow those through the firewall.
Even if FDEV logged failures to instance, it is literally impossible to know the cause - it could be either player blocking it.
The only solution is a complete rewrite of the networking stack of the game to shift to a client-server rather than peer-to-peer architecture.
 
Well, Not really "fact"... I've reported countless cheaters (Loggers with proof) and nothings been done... Needs to be a "Staged Protest" of some sorts in order for them to act, A simple report won't, and have not worked in the past
Honesty protests will do nothing, they couldnt care less, they never did anything about logging and they never will aswell as the hacking.
 
And then people would just look at those connections and allow those through the firewall.
Even if FDEV logged failures to instance, it is literally impossible to know the cause - it could be either player blocking it.
The only solution is a complete rewrite of the networking stack of the game to shift to a client-server rather than peer-to-peer architecture.

And that will never happen as that would drive the costs for hosting the game up to levels FD will never want to pay for. The only way for them to continue supporting the game in that connectivity model would be via a subscription service, which would chase away a lot of players.
 
Well, if we are going to get all grammatical about it, then yes. Technically speaking they could reveal everything they know and publish their anti-cheat code to allow the community to critique it. :p

Semantics aside, you know what i meant i think.

Nobody is asking for the anti-cheat code, publishing statistics isn't comparable and it's done by many other bussinesses.
 
...prolly only what he wants to know. Problem with flat earthers is that there is always a way around the hardest evidence. Best to treat them like mushrooms, feed them poo and keep em in the dark :)

Flat earthers are specialists in the use of ad-hominem fallacies and I see you too know how to use it...
 
Nobody is asking for the anti-cheat code, publishing statistics isn't comparable and it's done by many other bussinesses.

But people are splitting hairs between can and willing. They can do a lot of things, regardless of whether other companies do it... doesn't mean it makes sense.
 
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