AEGIS Core faction sighted at Sol
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Interesting News, folks.
So, historically I have had need for UAs (Thargoid Sensors), and my go to site has been: HIP 17403 ; Planet A 4 A ; Lat -34.96 ; Long -141.37
Now this time I went there and first there's a Research base (been in since a year now) but also the crash site has changed dramatically.
It used to look like this: with the Thargoid ship at the bottom of the crater's central peak:
But now it looks like this:
Everything has moved halfway up the hill.
Doesn't mean much except that the terrain has changed underneath the POI, which means that Frontier have injected content here.
Pan Piper uses similar glitches to know when Barnacles have been added.
So, historically I have had need for UAs (Thargoid Sensors), and my go to site has been: HIP 17403 ; Planet A 4 A ; Lat -34.96 ; Long -141.37
Now this time I went there and first there's a Research base (been in since a year now) but also the crash site has changed dramatically.
It used to look like this: with the Thargoid ship at the bottom of the crater's central peak:
But now it looks like this:
Everything has moved halfway up the hill.
Doesn't mean much except that the terrain has changed underneath the POI, which means that Frontier have injected content here.
Pan Piper uses similar glitches to know when Barnacles have been added.
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It's the same lock, as far as I can tell.
Well an internal lock would have the same effect, but I would have thought that leaving the internal influence levels changeable would be more fair.
An internal lock just seems drastic and a bit of an overreaction.
The influence levels will move, it just won't trigger conflicts when they pass.
My guess would be that the lock mechanism was set up when outbound expansions could drag factions in, so there also needed to be a way to stop people taking over the system that way - Achenar and Shinrarta have a few cases of that.
As someone else pointed out, this story is on rails anyway, so all this conspiracy theory stuff is just meaningless until FD decide to reveal a new detail. As long as Aegis appears to be at best, working for the greater good, and at worst, bumbling along ineffectually, we will defend them from the tin foil hat brigade. Who knows, for example, if perhaps they knew the thargoids were going to attack and that's what the transmitters were for, some kind of defense coordination. For every possibility there is another possible theory and only FD holds the cards, sadly.
I'm reminded of so many nations who said 'it's not our war' until it was on their doorstep and too late.
The Thargoids are a force of nature, it doesn't matter who woke the dragon, it's awake now, and it's 'everyone's' war.
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As someone who witnessed a war I'll end the discussion here, because it might get out of control.
I promise you that I'll kill each and every Thargoid that shows up in Carcosa, no matter how many rebuys I take.
Slightly outside their normal rangeI promise you that I'll kill each and every Thargoid that shows up in Carcosa, no matter how many rebuys I take.
I'm sure that Salomé had good reasons when she decided to retreat to Colonia if she'd have survived. After all, she had much more information than I do, and I have to believe that her decision was wise.Slightly outside their normal range
What if the conspiracy stuff is disregarded and just current actions considered?
A few background points:
- It is clear that our current situation echoes that of the Guardians. Our space, like theirs, was seeded with barnacles thousands of years ago, and now the Thargoids have arrived to reap the biomechanical harvest.
- The codices indicate that the Thargoids may be an older race than the Guardians, and that the two species share a history of conflict. This hostility was a product of the Thargoids’ belief that they had a pre-existing claim to the regions of space occupied by the Guardians.
- We now know that the purpose of the Thargoids’ ongoing military offensive is to remove humanity from what they consider their territory.
Not my words. The words of
The main region of 'our' space that's seeded with Barnacles is the Pleiades.
Based on what AEGIS have said, the Thargoids consider it their territory. And the Thargoids' military offensive is a result of us being there.
So simple equation based just on what AEGIS have said:
Human occupation of Barnacle harvest area = Thargoid military response.
So what's AEGIS current stated plan? - Find more Barnacle areas for humans to go to.
What's the result going to be? As a first approximation:
x * Human occupation of Barnacle harvest areas = x * Thargoid military response.
And that's only a first approximation. What if:
- the Thargoid response is exponential?
- there are different Thargoid groups, and our present trouble is only with one, but then we start raiding the areas which other Thargoid groups consider their territory?
The former two scenarios are one thing, but if the latter is a whole different matter. And whatever the scenario AEGIS will be 100% directly responsible for all the consequences.
All I can say is that based purely on their own statements, they no longer seem to be anywhere near the realms of bumbling along ineffectively, and are pretty much at the opposite end of the spectrum of working for the greater good.
OK, I'll bite... 1 by 1...Please number your points instead of bullets...
1) No, it is not clear that this situation echoes the situation of the guardians, you are assuming/extrapolating that. And even if so, so what? The Thargoids attack those they believe to be interlopers...and so do we....I'm struggling with the relevance here.
2) Older, younger, /shrug... see (1)
3) No you don't, you're assuming that. If they are greater in number (they must be, given their HUGE losses) and greater in technological advancement, why haven't they come in force to wipe us out? It just isn't that simple. Conclusions from their current behaviour are likely to be wildly wrong.
4) We have known since the beginning that our ventures in the Pleiades is what triggered them...so...I don't know what your point is here either.
5) We haven't 'Occupied' a barnacle Zone. We expanded into an area of space, then we found barnacles. Then the Thargoids found us. A war started over the region. Again, what's strange or underhand or clandestine or evil, or wrong, or ANYTHING negative (for humans) about that. You move on to t he Indian land and dig out the gold, the indians attack. Durr... Did any expeditionary force, EVER, say "oh, this isn't our gold, we should leave it alone". I think they didn't care what the consequences would be, the only thing so far that is mildly not serving the greater good. Although if you said they would have found us anyway eventually or us them, then the sooner the better and this decision did indeed serve the greater good.
6) I totally don't get what you're on about humans and barnacle zones. We haven't built cities on top of the barnacles, just a few space stations nearby. The point isn't the barnacles, its thew whole area of space in that area.
7) What if...well, they need to SERIOUSLY step up their game, cos right now, they're getting mullered. Looking forward to level 2.
Essentially your points amount to...there's some blood on the ground here and footstep over there, so the victim had pancakes for breakfast.
And let me explain something else for the benefit of any pro xeno traitors.
Even if it does turn out that AEGIS is either dangerously stupid, ineffectual, or outright evil, shenanigans in Sol will not be tolerated. A better way will have to be found to deal with the situation. WE DO NOT WEAKEN OUR CAPITAL DURING A TIME OF WAR for any reason.
Well my reply has been delayed due to RL, other things, and considering how to respond.
You see the thing is, I did state in the previous post that the first 3 bullet points weren't my words.
To reiterate (and perhaps make clearer) - the first 3 points are all quotes from AEGIS.
The purpose of it all was to dispense with conspiracy, personal speculation etc. and evaluate AEGIS current actions based just on their own words.
I attempted to dispense with any 'who started' it type considerations, and just present things objectively as derived from AEGIS's words.
Perhaps 'occupation' sounded too loaded towards accusations about the past. Please feel free to swap that out for a term without those connotations, but which abstractly describes the situation and can be used for what we will be doing in the new Barnacle areas that AEGIS identify.
The point still works out the same. Completely disregarding anything about where fault lies for the Pleiades situation, based on AEGIS's words alone, AEGIS are setting in motion a plan whereby there will be no doubt in the matter, and what they will have independent cmdrs doing is entering territory claimed by others and taking things which belong to others.
Anyway, let me be clear - this is not pro-xeno sentiment. This is about calling out a plan which is strategically bad for humanity.
The reasons AEGIS have given for their plan are commercial.
If their plan had been intel gathering so that we can identify the means of production for the current xeno-group so that they can be strategically disrupted to undermine their military capability, and we had assurances that a war on multiple fronts and/or conflict with more powerful xeno-groups wouldn't be blundered into, then the situation would be very different.
I don't think we're actually coming at this from particularly different places. You want to protect that which matters most. And I don't want to see the opposite happen.
Thanks for the well articulated clarifications and additional points. It is starting to look rather like AEGIS don't have a clue, but then the Thargoids are also behaving in an unfathomable way. Need more tracks to drive this train, FD!!