After looking at the new beta, I have a few comments. It is time for serious discussion AND the DEVS to listen to us.

[UnhappyDev]

To put it bluntly.... The game is BORING. .

I only read the bit in bold because I have a short attention span.

If you find the game boring why not play something else, i.e something you don't find boring? Come back in a year or 2 when FDev have (hopefully) fleshed out some of the threadbare bits in the game.

 

[Malakie]

My points were me remembering posts stating that these things are missing or need improvement -

Your point was that you want to be more entertained, but again its lost in the sea of text about being bored or awaiting flame death fanbots saying Elite is perfect. You could have used more of your post to actually state what you wanted, or if it is a small list kept your post brief, as it looked like the typical "Waah elite is not the game I want it to be! Fix it Fdev".

The more useful threads are those where the OP actually states a position and what they consider would be an improvement, just saying airless moons are boring is a so what statement - they are boring. What would make them less boring? Other types of geology? Hidden bases, pirate or military? Roving land based NPCs? Downed ships needing rescuing or data collecting from them? Escape pods that give you a destination and bounty for return to a specific port?

Unless you talk about what excites you anybody will read your post and go "classic burn out nothing to see here", you appear to want the game to improve and yet cannot articulate things that wuld make the game exciting for you beyond poinmting out what in teh game bores you.

Go and look at the other threads that are from impassioned and infuriated players that want better exploratioon, better missions, better crime and punishment, they all state what they would like to see, giving FDev an idea of what is important to them, plus an easier brief to try and work towards.

Writing the same thing as other posts would defeat the entire point of me writing MY way and MY opinion. I left things more vague because going point by point specific was not the point at all.

The essence of my post was what? I can tell you.. Players need to be more engaged, have more immersion, have more content and reason to enjoy and have fun. They need to have things that draw them into the universe and game. Right now, we don't.

And yes, even though I clearly stated at the top of the discussion about any fanboy comments being not needed, apparently most of them cannot read either.. so I guess it will happen regardless. Thing is, I fight back against those as you can see.

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I only read the bit in bold because I have a short attention span.

If you find the game boring why not play something else, i.e something you don't find boring? Come back in a year or 2 when FDev have (hopefully) fleshed out some of the threadbare bits in the game.

I already answered this a couple posts above yours.

 

[Alex Brentnall]

And yes, even though I clearly stated at the top of the discussion about any fanboy comments being not needed, apparently most of them cannot read either.. so I guess it will happen regardless. Thing is, I fight back against those as you can see.

Yep, problem is thats the quickest and easiest way to make what you are saying totally meaningless. They no longer care if you have a valid point or not.

C00ky1970 is quite right to be honest. If you don't make suggestions people just read it as hating on the game. As I said I nearly joined the sarcastic/non-response too but I don't want to be that guy, seems im in the minority..



If you want my advice now I'd ask the mods to close the thread. Restart it fresh with the key points from the posts and re-word the tone and the bit about fanboys and possibly throw a few suggestions then ask for other peoples ideas. <- this last bit is key. Currently your post is asking people how they feel about your feelings and thoughts but also saying don't respond if you post fanboy replys. Which people here construe as "I only want to hear people agreeing with me" <- Rightly or wrongly. So they are bound to get all defensive and the point you are making is truly lost.

Edit: One thing that does make me laugh is people telling you your opinion is wrong. Always makes me chuckle. Again torn on which side i'm taking here. It's like the drunk that gets in a fight at the bar because he spilt someones drink. It's not really a valid reason to get a punch in the face but you did spill their drink...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm so in pain writing this. I really really really want to write a sarcastic response purely because you used "us" in the title when what you meant was "me" and you mentioned about the whole fanboy and that your trying to save the game and you can practically hear the fake oscar speech voice....

Good for you for not stooping down to that level.

That's my wheelhouse.

One of the problems I want to touch on before saying my piece though, is I do NOT want to be inundated with a bunch of over the top fanboy replies. If you cannot join this discussion as an adult, if you feel you have to berate someone with a different opinion than your own, DON'T POST.

But calling those with a different opinion to yours fanboys who are not able to have an adult discussion is the proper way to engage in a mature discussion?

To put it bluntly.... The game is BORING. There is no immersion.

Immersion is subjective. You cannot decide there is no immersion, because there is. Other players have reported immersion.

I know some of you reading are going to get all bent out of shape. You need to sit back, shut up and truly THINK about what I just wrote.

Here we witness a fine example of an adult engaging in an open discussion. You might not agree with me, but if you just shut up and think about what I wrote, you should.

I want to enjoy myself, see new things, expand my horizons.. I want to be engrossed and immersed so that I am driven to load the game every day, looking forward to something new or exciting. Right now, I load the game.. and I just realized this as I wrote it... I load the game and almost feel a sense of dread because I know I am headed into the same thing... grinding rinse and repeat the same missions over and over with a few battles interspersed here and there.

This is actually honest, you're speaking for yourself from personal experience. No extrapolation towards the rest of the community, so dropping the sarcasm.

Have you tried taking a break from the game? After the game has run for such an extended period of time, it's only natural you're feeling as if you're in a rut. Expecting each update to deliver you a brand new game with new experiences is not very realistic. Maybe you need to step away from the game for a few updates, and come back when there has been a couple of them.

 

[fademist]

Yep, problem is thats the quickest and easiest way to make what you are saying totally meaningless. They no longer care if you have a valid point or not.

C00ky1970 is quite right to be honest. If you don't make suggestions people just read it as hating on the game. As I said I nearly joined the sarcastic/non-response too but I don't want to be that guy, seems im in the minority..



If you want my advice now I'd ask the mods to close the thread. Restart it fresh with the key points from the posts and re-word the tone and the bit about fanboys and possibly throw a few suggestions then ask for other peoples ideas. <- this last bit is key. Currently your post is asking people how they feel about your feelings but also saying don't respond if you post fanboy replys. Which people here construe as "I only want to hear people agreeing with me" <- Rightly or wrongly. So they are bound to get all defensive and the point you are making is truly lost.

+1...

 

[Notwyn]

Sounds like you need a break dude...
Now we know you're bored, looking forward to reading some of your recommendations ( actual idea to be implemented) to your issues.
Thousands of us actually enjoy the game.

 

[tafkabb]

That goes both ways, bud, which means that you don't get to state what Elite is or isn't for anyone but yourself.

I didn't demand not to hear opinions from player I disagree with.

 

[Iori]

As I wrote in another thread:

Its like Elite was a can of soda, and the updates gave us straws, bottles and cups, to drink it differently, when they could have given us beer and a meal to choose instead, or at least improve the quality of the soda.

 

[tafkabb]

This is the equivalent of someone buying a chess set and after playing it for a while, shouting "Chess is really boring!" before writing an open letter to Hasbro to get the rules of chess changed.

 

[CylonSurfer]

I agree OP. I love the game but that said there is some real work needed at the games foundations. Missions could be exciting, a simple delivery mission turning into some sort of galactic heist, where you end up tailing a pirate back to a planet based strong hold with a wing of NPCs from the faction that hired you. Most times I play I choose missions based on the credit reward they offer, not for the reward of doing the activity itself.

We should be seeing inter system wars which are more than you just picking up missions to kill x number of ships in a combat zone. Reasons for players to wing up and defend stations from attack. Reasons for players to play together full stop would be nice.

 

[Malakie]

Yep, problem is thats the quickest and easiest way to make what you are saying totally meaningless. They no longer care if you have a valid point or not.

C00ky1970 is quite right to be honest. If you don't make suggestions people just read it as hating on the game. As I said I nearly joined the sarcastic/non-response too but I don't want to be that guy, seems im in the minority..



If you want my advice now I'd ask the mods to close the thread. Restart it fresh with the key points from the posts and re-word the tone and the bit about fanboys and possibly throw a few suggestions then ask for other peoples ideas. <- this last bit is key. Currently your post is asking people how they feel about your feelings and thoughts but also saying don't respond if you post fanboy replys. Which people here construe as "I only want to hear people agreeing with me" <- Rightly or wrongly. So they are bound to get all defensive and the point you are making is truly lost.

Edit: One thing that does make me laugh is people telling you your opinion is wrong. Always makes me chuckle. Again torn on which side i'm taking here. It's like the drunk that gets in a fight at the bar because he spilt someones drink. It's not really a valid reason to get a punch in the face but you did spill their drink...

I put the fanboy part in there in hopes at least this one thread would be discussed not just jumped on by a few then the thread closed because those few loudly jumped all over the topic.. I don't want the thread closed or I would not have written it.. But by the same token, i am not going to sit here and let a few hijack it either...

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This is the equivalent of someone buying a chess set and after playing it for a while, shouting "Chess is really boring!" before writing an open letter to Hasbro to get the rules of chess changed.

Seriously? You are going to go with that and think it adds to the discussion?

 

[tafkabb]

I put the fanboy part in there in hopes at least this one thread would be discussed not just jumped on by a few then the thread closed because those few loudly jumped all over the topic.. I don't want the thread closed or I would not have written it.. But by the same token, i am not going to sit here and let a few hijack it either...

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Seriously? You are going to go with that and think it adds to the discussion?

Oh yes.

 

[lokvette]

Agree with the OP

Nothing more to add that hasnt been said and will be said again.

 

[Tenshi]

Don't know what game you are playing but I find Elite Dangerous fun and immersive.

After all OP that is your own point of view, it doesn't include my own about the game.

When you break down any game it is all the same set of instructions, even games like Mass Effect or GTA V. Go to X location to pick up Y object to deliver it to person A. Along the way get attacked by faction C and try to escape. Deliver goods, get reward and move on to do it all over again just with new wording.

How many fetch and kill quests are in games like World of Warcraft and Everquest? Yet people still play these games and level up new characters each and every month or year. It is all the same though when looked at in black and white. Just that Elite Dangerous is a far bigger game world than any of those I have mentioned.

For me Elite Dangerous is a means to escape into a different lifestyle, something I will never have the chance at doing ever; in fact none of us will. The more realistic the galaxy is the better for me and the more I want to be a part of the game and play it. I am never forced to do the missions to gain money within the game either. There is no exp just my own ability to pilot my ship. Elite Dangerous was never about a heroic protagonist like you have in Mass Effect or the Witcher games, it is not about the massive corporations or alliances like we see in Eve Online either. It is about you as a person and whether you have what it takes to survive in the galaxy on your own.

I know some players though have abused the smuggling and rares in the game and so have vast quantities of money and now finding the game boring and dull, that is their own fault though and not the game. Some even say if you can't make XXX amount of millions per hour then its not worth doing. I say rubbish, if you find it fun then it is always worth doing.

The best escape I get in the game from the norm is to just get a ship with a SRV some cargo room and head out into the unknown and land on planets just to salvage POI that I find and then return to civilized space to sell it. Sometimes I make a huge profit with the exploration data and salvage sometimes I don't.

I think the player made bases are still in the pipeline for development but they are a long way off, same with walking around.
There is still a lot more to add to the game such as atmospheric flight, gas giant cloud cities, dark solar systems that have no sun etc, etc.

The game is a living breathing thing and it does have to grow, but this can't be done over night because you demand it. Also why should Frontier Development listen to just you and your cronies on other forums? Personally I like the direction the game is going in right now and having a whale of a time when I play the game.

I never asked for multicrew or Engineers but I accept them all the same and can see how they can add to the game experience. I probably won't use multi crew at all though, but doesn't mean to say I can't see the benefit to it or say it should be removed because I don't like it.

 

[govny]

man, it's only a game. You play it as long as it entertains you, then you move to another, that's it.
I have played it a lot. Now I play it sometimes only to see the new addittions and to experience it in VR (it is always an amazing experience).

 

[Malakie]

You know, people might not like my lack of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS.. Too bad.

I said I wanted discussion and I CLEARLY articulated the type of posts I did not want to see. EVERY thread that someone tries to state an OPINION they have in their own words, is either 1) Hi-jacked by a few loud over the top fanboys leading to the thread dying, OR 2) you get people telling the poster he said what he said wrong.. for his OWN opinion.

I clearly articulated what I said. I have answered some posts that said I should have gone point by point.. Which I did NOT do for the explained reasons.

I have asked others to explain THEIR opinions on WHY the find the game not boring and how they are immersed by it.. So far, NONE of answered those two questions.

And those that had made obvious posts, just as I eluded to about the fanboy syndrome, I have replied back as well reminding them what I clearly stated at the top of my OP.

I am not some politically correct child sitting here that has no clue.

I AM an original founder of this game, I DO have my opinions and concerns, I HAVE as much right to express MINE as anyone else in the manner I CHOOSE. And I WILL not back down because a few of you want to attack and make absurd comments that lack ANY fact, truth, answers or even full opinions on why my comments could be mistaken or even wrong.

Discussion is for just that. Discussion.. BUT if you want to attack, I will respond in kind and defend myself.

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Don't know what game you are playing but I find Elite Dangerous fun and immersive.

After all OP that is your own point of view, it doesn't include my own about the game.

When you break down any game it is all the same set of instructions, even games like Mass Effect or GTA V. Go to X location to pick up Y object to deliver it to person A. Along the way get attacked by faction C and try to escape. Deliver goods, get reward and move on to do it all over again just with new wording.

How many fetch and kill quests are in games like World of Warcraft and Everquest? Yet people still play these games and level up new characters each and every month or year. It is all the same though when looked at in black and white. Just that Elite Dangerous is a far bigger game world than any of those I have mentioned.

For me Elite Dangerous is a means to escape into a different lifestyle, something I will never have the chance at doing ever; in fact none of us will. The more realistic the galaxy is the better for me and the more I want to be a part of the game and play it. I am never forced to do the missions to gain money within the game either. There is no exp just my own ability to pilot my ship. Elite Dangerous was never about a heroic protagonist like you have in Mass Effect or the Witcher games, it is not about the massive corporations or alliances like we see in Eve Online either. It is about you as a person and whether you have what it takes to survive in the galaxy on your own.

I know some players though have abused the smuggling and rares in the game and so have vast quantities of money and now finding the game boring and dull, that is their own fault though and not the game. Some even say if you can't make XXX amount of millions per hour then its not worth doing. I say rubbish, if you find it fun then it is always worth doing.

The best escape I get in the game from the norm is to just get a ship with a SRV some cargo room and head out into the unknown and land on planets just to salvage POI that I find and then return to civilized space to sell it. Sometimes I make a huge profit with the exploration data and salvage sometimes I don't.

I think the player made bases are still in the pipeline for development but they are a long way off, same with walking around.
There is still a lot more to add to the game such as atmospheric flight, gas giant cloud cities, dark solar systems that have no sun etc, etc.

The game is a living breathing thing and it does have to grow, but this can't be done over night because you demand it. Also why should Frontier Development listen to just you and your cronies on other forums? Personally I like the direction the game is going in right now and having a whale of a time when I play the game.

I never asked for multicrew or Engineers but I accept them all the same and can see how they can add to the game experience. I probably won't use multi crew at all though, but doesn't mean to say I can't see the benefit to it or say it should be removed because I don't like it.

NOW THIS is the kind of response I was talking about... Thanks for your personal OPINION on why you think different than I do.

 

[Abomination]

Well, the engineers sure added a lot of fidding and tweaking, so that would definitely count as gameplay for me. But I understand what you're saying 100% here. Most of the features are indeed nothing more than (extremely pretty) eye candy on top of already existing day 1 features.

And the 'drive' is sure missing for me as well. Haven't touched the game for several months already and actually don't see any reason to go back at this moment. I already know I'll be pointing to a star, waiting for it to scan and point to the next. Or get some cargo, drop it somewhere else. And repeat. Same for other 'professions'. Which they even aren't because you're never going to build up any reputation for doing certain jobs. You'll never be known as respected trader or a risky miner or a defender of the law.

It was a selling point that the player was just another insignificant pilot and that you can do whatever you want in a realistic galaxy or something. So yeah, where are the toys to play with? And in the end, everything feels so pointless. It's a game. Games should reward the player. At first, the bigger/better ships are a nice goal. But after that, or even halfway that process, the drive to continue goes away very fast. Exploring; done that. Nothing substantially new for ages. Mining: same. Trading, yeah.. whatever. Prices jiggle around a little but there's not much of a real economy. Or at least I'm not sensing it. Maybe it's there, but it's not presented correctly. Fighting? yep. the meta changes every so often but the goals stay the same: endless streams of nobodies, wars without any consequences to the player (except for credits). Be a saviour one day, be a pirate the next. Nobody cares. Of course, if you accidentally shoot one ship outside a combat zone, you're on a dead list. But apart from that, yeah, go on, kill hundreds of ships from faction X and on return to the station they'll roll out the red carpet.

It tries to be a sandbox but doesn't offer that many tools to toy with.
It tries to be an mmo but has instancing issues and no real mmo features.
It tries to be a living breathing universe, yet there is hardly any action equals reaction (read: consequences!) to whatever the player is doing.

That's not good.

And yes, I also want this game to last for an eternity. So many things are jaw droppingly amazing and makes a man (or woman) drool like a dog. And I mean one of those really excessive droolers! The size of the galaxy, the gfx/art, sound, music, ideas behind it all.. damn man.. sooo good! But where is the real long lasting gameplay for a game that is supposed to be just that?

And yet they are expanding left and right without actually filling in the blanks.
I mean.. for B's sake.. permit systems, powerplay, exploration, cqc and even things like piracy, pirate bases or whatever.. so many unfinished projects.

ok.. wow.. rambling a lot longer than expected.

Anyway.. tl/dr: yeah I agree, there's a lot missing to keep some players interested for the time it takes to fully develop this game. And I am one of them as well.
These baby steps aren't working so well anymore. Two years is too long. Especially if they're gonne be spread out so far into the future.
Maybe it's indeed good to drop this game for a while. Maybe all updates up to season 5 or 6 will make a change noticable enough to trigger that wow-factor again.

And yet... somehow this game acts like a huge anti-matter driven mega magnet... can't stop looking at it. Even when put on hold.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I HAVE as much right to express MINE as anyone else in the manner I CHOOSE

Yeah. We all do. So you can't dictate how any of us will respond to your opening post.

BUT if you want to attack, I will respond in kind and defend myself.

You set the tone for this thread. You're just reaping what you sow.

On the one hand you say you're not being politically correct, on the other hand you demand those that reply to be. I can do either, it's up to you

 

[Malakie]

Don't know what game you are playing but I find Elite Dangerous fun and immersive.

After all OP that is your own point of view, it doesn't include my own about the game.

When you break down any game it is all the same set of instructions, even games like Mass Effect or GTA V. Go to X location to pick up Y object to deliver it to person A. Along the way get attacked by faction C and try to escape. Deliver goods, get reward and move on to do it all over again just with new wording.

How many fetch and kill quests are in games like World of Warcraft and Everquest? Yet people still play these games and level up new characters each and every month or year. It is all the same though when looked at in black and white. Just that Elite Dangerous is a far bigger game world than any of those I have mentioned.

For me Elite Dangerous is a means to escape into a different lifestyle, something I will never have the chance at doing ever; in fact none of us will. The more realistic the galaxy is the better for me and the more I want to be a part of the game and play it. I am never forced to do the missions to gain money within the game either. There is no exp just my own ability to pilot my ship. Elite Dangerous was never about a heroic protagonist like you have in Mass Effect or the Witcher games, it is not about the massive corporations or alliances like we see in Eve Online either. It is about you as a person and whether you have what it takes to survive in the galaxy on your own.

I know some players though have abused the smuggling and rares in the game and so have vast quantities of money and now finding the game boring and dull, that is their own fault though and not the game. Some even say if you can't make XXX amount of millions per hour then its not worth doing. I say rubbish, if you find it fun then it is always worth doing.

The best escape I get in the game from the norm is to just get a ship with a SRV some cargo room and head out into the unknown and land on planets just to salvage POI that I find and then return to civilized space to sell it. Sometimes I make a huge profit with the exploration data and salvage sometimes I don't.

I think the player made bases are still in the pipeline for development but they are a long way off, same with walking around.
There is still a lot more to add to the game such as atmospheric flight, gas giant cloud cities, dark solar systems that have no sun etc, etc.

The game is a living breathing thing and it does have to grow, but this can't be done over night because you demand it. Also why should Frontier Development listen to just you and your cronies on other forums? Personally I like the direction the game is going in right now and having a whale of a time when I play the game.

I never asked for multicrew or Engineers but I accept them all the same and can see how they can add to the game experience. I probably won't use multi crew at all though, but doesn't mean to say I can't see the benefit to it or say it should be removed because I don't like it.

I want to also reply directly to you about your opinion and comment.

I don't play the other games you mentioned nor do I play singular linear games. They are too mundane and easy to beat. I mentioned Star Citizen earlier.. One of the things that grabbed my attention was their mission system and how it is dynamic and procedural generated based on a real economic engine.

I should also clarify.. I still fly around in a Cobra Mk IV. I don't own anything bigger yet. I was not one of those that used bugs or exploits to ramp up my account. I PLAY a game for the game. I have a long way to go before I can ever afford even a larger ship.

But I still stand by my comments because in that quest, I am finding nothing but rinse and repeat grinding to get there. The missions are all basically the same thing. There is no deviation except for the location, ships you encounter in a battle or two. There are no surprises, no random events, no coming across something never seen that just happens without expectation.

My comment and opinion are not about the game engine, bugs or lack of vision. It is about the fact all these nice bells and whistles lack anything immersive for the player in regard to the big picture or long term gameplay.

 

[robbyp]

Elite is elite. This is what the game is. It's the same game with bells and whistles on that it was in 1984. If you like flying spaceships you'll love it. If you want another kind of game your not going to get it.