I'm still personally perturbed by that image FD put out with the Viper shooting the Relic in front of the Thargoid. I tried exactly that last night and... nothing. Considering that screenshot accompanied another of a sidey presumably dumping cargo for a Thargoid to pick up, and we've seen we can do that (and summon other Thargoids in the process), it just feels like something's missing.
Alien archaeology and other mysteries: Breaking News, Theories and Tinfoil Hattery
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Nope, does anything happen?
I didn’t really get into the Guardian side of things. Just visited one site and one braintree site.
I have no idea what happens(probably nothing). That's why I'm asking.
https://canonn.science/codex/recon-6/
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https://canonn.science/codex/relay-station-psj-17 (last entry)
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Sorry I was vague, yes I meant that the Ruins themselves are close to the Col 70 sector, in terms of hyperdrive ranges, it's not like they're on the other side of the galaxy or even on the other side of us, they're basically right next door to Col70. If the Thargoids can scout to find us then they could easily have found the extensive ruin sites (or maybe they already have Atmo Landings DLC and found some Guardian planets!)
As we've discussed before, I'm not convinced that humanity really explored much past what we call the Bubble before 100-ish years ago, just because it's pretty heavily stated that until recently we haven't been able to, I know we've had that debate before and I'm not looking to re-open it. However, 1000 years is a long time and I'm sure a lot has been lost to history/suppressed and I wouldn't be surprised if you're right and humanity did find all kinds of Guardian stuff out there - personally I think if we did encounter Guardian stuff in the distant past it was much closer to home.
On a side note it would be great to find long-lost colonies and expeditions really far out, I'm hoping at least one of the permit-locked areas has something like that - it would be great to see an 800 years old exploration ship drifting around a planet way out there too, something like this type of ship
That would actually be a great way to fill in a lot of the blanks in pre-Elite Lore too!That is pretty cool and certainly fits with what we seem to see. Are you imagining that it's an accidental thing, like it just so happens that Guardian blue-glow-tech does this and it's bit of an accidental discovery on our part, or it's another factor that contributes to the idea that they have some historical link?
Thanks for the info on trying stuff in the ground sites. I'm sure somewhere there's a list of everything that's been tried I just couldn't find it offhand. Are Sap8 containers still around BTW? not seen one for a long time now.
I assume we've tried shooting at various relics with ax weaponry?
I shot mine before AX weapons were a thing. Haven't been back for more.
Mass exploration beyond the bubble? No way. Specific focused exploration by extremely determined people or lots of resources? Absolutely. Formidine Rift is several times further away from Sol than Col 70 is yet we made it that far just over 30 years ago, before FSD.
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So that relay station psj-17 is really interesting.
There's no unknown structure in HIP 17225. There's barnacles and a planetary base. So what has M Particle levels? Pretty sure the HIP 17225 barnacles are fairly standard looking. I've scanned the Thargoid scout and seen the 'Mycoid Particle' phrase first hand. I'm just going to ask, what if the M particle levels mentioned here are the Meta-Alloy levels within the barnacle site? Recon 2 was monitoring the barnacles Meta-Alloy content, not Mycoid levels.
What if Mycoid and Meta-Alloys both have detectable particles and we're just assuming everything labeled with 'M' is Mycoid and that's incorrect? We know meta-alloys were of interest to the governments, they parked capital ships above barnacles for that reason. Makes sense someone would monitor meta-alloy presence in areas.
On top of that, the unknown uplink scans give you make up of the structure's components. Yet you don't get a message of Mycoid presence like you do at the Thargoid scout. So why can my SRV detect Mycoid at the Thargoid scout but not the structures? I'm not sold that M particles always mean Mycoid particles.
That's just where the listening post was that picked up the broadcast, it referenced a system with another listening post that contained the other message which contained the location of the relay station.
If you look at the logs for the station you see that Recon 2 was in HIP 19026.
Good point. These were discovered a long time ago (relatively) and at that time Mycoid wasn't confirmed yet in-game (other than a Galnet report that clearly linked INRA and Mycoid that everyone in the Galaxy just forgot about!) - so I assume Fdev just didn't put it in and haven't since updated the scans - but - you might be right!
I still say there's Mycoid damage visible on the structures, but it seems that only some people say the same thing and others claim it's nothing like mycoid damage, so visually it's inconclusive (for some people). I'm comfortable with the 150+ year old age and Mycoid damage, your mileage may vary, and if an alternative theory fits better I'd be interested in hearing it.
Indeed, and that was during a period when hyperdrive tech was in a relative dark age compared to before and after.
Also, much of this seems to be manned explanation that’s under discussion. Unmanned probes were sent first in the early days of hyperdrive tech, and I wouldn’t have thought that would have changed. Generally I’d expect unmanned probes to have been sent fairly far and wide and then followed up with manned expeditions if anything of interest turned up.
That's the only issue I see with the idea of having found them before FSD. If you either need a stubborn barsteward, or lots of resources to go that far back then, why would you do so without a very specific purpose? The Club did it to find ELW. Rebecca did it to find the Zurara. Why would a human have potentially travelled to find Guardian ruins, without prior knowledge of their existence or direction to travel in? Probes as you said is an obvious if boring answer.
Well, as I was saying in one of the previous posts, it's fairly likely that Regor would have been the target for a scientific mission due to it being by far the nearest Wolf-Rayet star.
Regor seems to be roughly the centre of the Guardian bubble, but we don't know whether there's sites in the Regor Sector itself due to them being locked. However, we do know that the number of sites per unit volume of space seems to increase the closer you get to the Regor Sector border.
Extrapolating that trend puts the highest density of sites within the Regor Sector. The chances of a voyage to Regor encountering Guardian ruins on the way to the Regor sector would have been pretty low, but assuming the trend above continues then the chances of a voyage encountering Guardian sites (& other remnants) would skyrocket as the expedition progressed towards the centre of the Regor sector.
Also, in term of the difficulty of reaching those points, the Type 2b hyperdrives which would have been used by the Club for the dynasty expedition are generally considered to have been a step backwards compared to previous hyperdrive tech (which was lost when Galcop collapsed).
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What's latest working theory on what are Aegis true nature and plans? It is quite obvious they are lying, they have killed people about discovering secrets. But what's truly going on?
Quite simple really. AEGIS stands for Alien Enhanced Gherkin Infused Soup. They abduct Thargoid infants to make delicious (and highly nutritious) soup for the Alliance Navy. They USED to supply INRA, however, the soup became toxic after interaction between it an Mycoid caused a lot of gastroenteritis for the workers. Because blending aliens for broth is generally frowned upon, AEGIS like to keep their operation quiet. Hence the brutal murders.
The Thargoids are naturally unhappy about this, and are abducting humans to try their own version of soup - however, secret reports from Alliance spies reveal Thargoids are not particularly impressed with Human-Infused soup and are seeking an alternative.
(apologies, I've not slept for a day and this is the best I could come up with...)
Next CG: "Thargoid, the other green meat", with a requirement to deliver various Thargoid Tissue Samples and Master Chefs.
Decided to have a poke around in the Pleiades... discovered a bulk tanker being attacked by a nasty looking red bloke...
I did not see the attack. When I arrived, the Thargoid was scanning the vessel. It turned to me... hence the retro thrust in the top picture... before going back to the tanker. It eventually warped off. You can see the damage...
It was my first encounter with a Thargoid... (Oh I see what you mean!!! Yes, that was an assumption...)
It was my first encounter with a Thargoid... (Oh I see what you mean!!! Yes, that was an assumption...)
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And by the way, do thargons circle the relics (or is it a relic at all on this image) this way?