Pretty sure the stance is to report the game as it is, whether that is a bug or not.
Seems to me that the differences have been pretty well covered since the first ruins.
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Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn
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Pretty sure the stance is to report the game as it is, whether that is a bug or not.
Seems to me that the differences have been pretty well covered since the first ruins.
Just because a thing seems really hard to you doesn't mean "you need a master degree in mathematics and astronomy"
There's nothing discussed on this thread that takes more than knowing how to download a free app from the internet or high school algebra.
I'm getting very irritated at people who complain about how we have to use all these super advanced external tools and have all this training and expertise to figure an OPTIONAL PUZZLE in this game, when its all just basic math and simple to use free apps from github.
If this is too hard, wait till you have to take a math test or get a job or find a parking spot in a busy city.
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It would get confusing to start removing stuff. Often we don't know things are because of a bug until we are told by FDev. This could be hours, days or weeks after any information has come to light. The sheer number of posts that people post with data is incredible. Trying to police that more than currently is would be like spitting into the wind.
This so much. It's not even an active exploit, it's something that HAPPENS TO YOU while you're trying to do things the normal way.
It may be a bug but it is the reality of the game universe right now, in a way that looking into the game files is not.
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Hey! I could turn on my Oculus Touch controllers at the ruins and do numa numa hey with them.
If we refer to the same map (the one on the first page), then I'm sure you"ve been mistaken by the message lag.
To check that you can :
1. Rescan this obelisk with Orb only. If you don"t hear the voice saying "incoming critical message", then you are right. If not, I'm right.
2. Rescan this obelisk with Tablet only. If you don"t hear the voice saying "incoming critical message", then I'm right. If not, I'm wrong.
EDIT : in order to avoid other mistakes, it's hardly adviced to do this test in solo mode.
EDIT 2 : By the way, since the Tablet is the primary key for obelisk A19, logic would says it can't give you a Technological data.
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After you turn in the mission the very next time you enter a station in the Meene system you get the mission again automatically. You don't have to switch ship or instance. In fact you can't avoid getting the mission again even if you wanted to. So you've given Asterix the wrong impression of what is going on, which means his response isn't relevant and we still don't know what the official position on this is.
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Site 1 Obelisk face cluster C
Site 1 Pillar face
http://imgur.com/gallery/OW5NM
[video=youtube;Mm1v3dE06u8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mm1v3dE06u8[/video]
Site 1 Pillar face
http://imgur.com/gallery/OW5NM
Identical between all three... thanks
i did geometry all day, drawing in front/ top view and made a 3d model. need to check before show you.
so for now, i could just say that MAYBE nord/sud pôles are used by the guardian for the network. this seem logic because we know ( read all 36 data carefully) they can communicates FASTER THAN LIGHT and maybe magnetic field CAN do that ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light ) .
im actually check my 2nd way ( easier to check ): 3 ruins points formed by ZE / GW / XO will make an equilateral triangle. i think i have 2 points ( Ze / GW ) need to check on XO the good radius and the good axial tilt ( candidates: D2, C2, C3a ).
fly safe ! i ll be back if i have some fresh and SOLID !
so for now, i could just say that MAYBE nord/sud pôles are used by the guardian for the network. this seem logic because we know ( read all 36 data carefully) they can communicates FASTER THAN LIGHT and maybe magnetic field CAN do that ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light ) .
im actually check my 2nd way ( easier to check ): 3 ruins points formed by ZE / GW / XO will make an equilateral triangle. i think i have 2 points ( Ze / GW ) need to check on XO the good radius and the good axial tilt ( candidates: D2, C2, C3a ).
fly safe ! i ll be back if i have some fresh and SOLID !
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The tone has changed somewhat, which is inevitable. Different people come and go. Different mysteries have different styles to them. But this thread is busier than ever; there's no sign that Discord is replacing this thread in any way. The problem with Discord for this sort of thing (IMO), is that it's terrible for context. There is no quoting so unless a channel rigidly sticks to a single conversation thread everything gets jumbled up and it's basically impossible to sort out later. There is also no linking to individual posts other than by pinning so summarising and archiving is near impossible.
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U summarize in a way that makes me think, what if Your figure 1 (relic tower base glyphs) might be the recipe how to switch on the different message packets (1-7 packet1,2,3; 8-15 packet 1,2.3: 16-21 packet 1,2,3)?
I think that you don't get confirmation from Ram Tah on successful scans after the first time so if you're doing the mission more than once you'll only get the message for new cases you haven't done before. Yes, it's difficult to keep track of what you have and haven't scanned, especially in open/PG.
Alright, another small update and a bit of guessing of what the high-pitched encoded data in the obelisks may mean.
First off, last time the tokenized data was in a rather s****y format, so I wrote a little program for myself to convert and count all the tokens in the strings that I myself have recorded (54 + 28 strings in total). The data dump is below:
and a picture to give slight context to the tokens
NB: tokens A and B (and C?) may be slightly hard to tell apart, however I assure you they look extremely different when you have looked at them for hours on end like I have
This is how they would look like on a spectrogram.
So, here are the facts about the strings.
1) They always end in an identical end block.
2) There are two sets of 3 tokens (0, 1, 2 and A, B, C). The 0, 1, 2 set look like vertical blocks and the A, B, C set look like horizontal lines. The only token that doesn't fit into either set is the S token because it incorporates a block component (narrow vertical line) and horizontal lines component (the short horizontal lines following right after the narrow vertical line).
3) 2 tokens of the same type never follow each-other, eg. SS or 11 or BB are not valid combinations for these strings, I guarantee they never happen.
4) Every string ALWAYS contains at least 1 of every token. However, it doesn't seem like there is a certain maximum limit to how many times a token can appear.
5) Based on the last point, the minimum string length is 7 tokens.
Theories:
1) This is some sort of visualised/audiolized(this isn't a word, is it...) form of a sign language
2) This is some sort of spoken language
3) This is some sort of numbering system (2 sets of 3 numbers with a "seperator"? perhaps unlikely...)
If this indeed is a numbering system then it is not a normal "base x" numbering system because 2 tokens of the same type can not follow each-other.
Any ideas in light of this new information?
First off, last time the tokenized data was in a rather s****y format, so I wrote a little program for myself to convert and count all the tokens in the strings that I myself have recorded (54 + 28 strings in total). The data dump is below:
Code:
[string in tokenized form] total| S || 0 || 1 || 2 || A || B || C |
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A2AC212B012S21ASC01ACB 22 2 4 2 3 2 4 5
1C10C01B0BC1S20SB02A 20 2 1 3 3 5 4 2
B2BSB02C0ACBCS2C0B01 20 2 1 5 4 4 1 3
CACB1201202SAB201BA1B02B1ACS 28 2 4 5 3 4 5 5
BSBSCA1010AS0S101C2AS012S01CS0102A2B 36 7 4 3 3 8 7 4
SBA2CB2AS02CB1CBA1B1AB21CA0ACS 30 3 6 6 5 2 4 4
1B1CB12S12C1A2121SC1AS1C2A0 27 3 3 2 4 1 9 5
20A120AS1B0B2B10A2A0A01012CS2S1S102BCB2B2A 42 4 6 6 2 8 7 9
SA2BAS0S0CB2AB0C201BC1A210ABCS 30 4 5 5 4 5 3 4
S2SC120SC0A0SAB0B10CACS1BC1A1C0ABCSA2 37 6 6 4 7 6 5 3
20C012BS020A 12 1 1 1 1 4 1 3
1C1C12AC101BC0A12010A21BSCB12AS1BASC2C12BA1C1SA0 48 4 7 5 8 5 13 6
202BS12SC21ABCAB0CS1SC101S2 27 5 2 3 4 3 5 5
S21CABC0 8 1 1 1 2 1 1 1
1SBACSBS21B1BC2S1SACA2S2A2A202AC0B1S 36 7 6 5 4 2 5 7
BA0BSB2C020SCSCACA212CB0SCABCSB2B20CA2A1 40 5 6 7 8 5 2 7
A2C0BC0S021 11 1 1 1 2 3 1 2
BCA21A1B20CS2C2S2ACSBC210 25 3 3 3 5 2 3 6
AS0ACS0B02C1 12 2 2 1 2 3 1 1
A1210CA0CS2C21SC2C2C1B1B0BA 27 2 3 3 6 3 5 5
21ACA0S2SC2B 12 2 2 1 2 1 1 3
B1AC2CBSACA0 12 1 3 2 3 1 1 1
01CAS2A1C1B 11 1 2 1 2 1 3 1
AB10S2CA2SCB210 15 2 2 2 2 2 2 3
2C1C0S0C0ASC1B 14 2 1 1 4 3 2 1
1210BSBCS121S1SA0A0ACA1021A1C0S0SA210B 38 6 6 3 3 7 9 4
2CB1B1CA2SC2120 15 1 1 2 3 1 3 4
2C0B1S2A 8 1 1 1 1 1 1 2
CAS201CSA0A1AS2A0C0B2S2C2B0S01 30 5 5 2 4 6 3 5
S0CB12A 7 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
12AC2B0CA02A0S 14 1 3 1 2 3 1 3
C0A1ABCB012C2C012B0BS 21 1 2 4 4 4 3 3
0A212B212CS 11 1 1 1 1 1 2 4
2C0CBAS2SCSAC1 14 3 2 1 4 1 1 2
CA2CACB21BS01CBA0AB1A0ACS0A01ASAB2 34 3 9 5 5 5 4 3
BS0201S1S10A0SA1SC 18 5 2 1 1 4 4 1
SC10AB0CBS0B2 13 2 1 3 2 3 1 1
01SB0C0B02S10120BASC1CS0BS1A0B2 31 5 2 5 3 8 5 3
CSAB012 7 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
2SCSCS2ASBCS0A1 15 5 2 1 3 1 1 2
SCB02S2B02S1S2AS10CB0CAS1A2 27 6 3 3 3 4 3 5
S120SCBSA 9 3 1 1 1 1 1 1
20ABC10SA02AC0CBA020CACBA1S 27 2 6 3 5 6 2 3
A1SBS1B0B201C 13 2 1 3 1 2 3 1
BCB01B0C0BS2BSA 15 2 1 5 2 3 1 1
0C1C10S02C1SCSCS2ASA0S101C20B10SA2C2S2CS1S2AB 45 10 4 2 8 7 7 7
0ASA20SAC102A1A0C2S0CB 22 3 5 1 3 5 2 3
C1SB20BAC2A1BAC1SA2S1CSB0 25 4 4 4 4 2 4 3
0S1AC1ABABA0CA2CBA0A101AC10ACA0C21CAS 37 2 11 3 7 6 6 2
0S010AS210AC2SC01AC2CA2C2B1B21CA0C1S 36 4 5 2 7 6 6 6
2S1S0B012A1SC 13 3 1 1 1 2 3 2
SASA1S2C2B1BA1SBAC10AB12S1ASAS0BSAS0BSAC 40 10 9 6 3 3 6 3
1AB1CS1BCB1SBA0A1S2 19 3 3 4 2 1 5 1
0C10CS1BCBS02S2B20B21CBSB0A0CB20201CB1C12CSBC1A 47 5 2 9 9 8 7 7
AC0AC0A210B1BA0C1ACA0B1ABAC2S 29 1 8 4 5 5 4 2
2BSB1CSAS212C1CA0B1ABCBA1BCS2A10 32 4 5 6 5 2 6 4
AB12AC1C1A1S12C1C1A1SBA2BA0 27 2 6 3 4 1 8 3
C2CAS1A12BS12SBA20AC0C12102ASA210A1C2A0AB 41 4 9 3 5 5 7 8
AC0SA21A21ASB 13 2 4 1 1 1 2 2
01CA1CS1S02C2CACB1SACSCBA1A20 29 4 5 2 7 3 5 3
BSAB2C2B20212BAC1SBAS1SC1SC1S1B2SBS1CB0 39 8 3 8 5 2 7 6
BA2S12BSA01B2C 14 2 2 3 1 1 2 3
A1B1C2CA1B12A02SB10ACB0102BCAS 30 2 5 5 4 4 6 4
A2C0SB1 7 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
010SCS2C12C1SCSB2SBS2C2BS21B21C1S2CB20S0C01BCBC1A 49 9 1 7 10 5 8 9
CBCSAB1CACSCB2A20C1CBC20A212B0C1A1CS 36 3 5 5 10 3 5 5
BSC2A02AS1 10 2 2 1 1 1 1 2
2S01S2B2BSABC 13 3 1 3 1 1 1 3
A1201S20C1S1CASA021BABSB10B0A20C 32 4 5 4 3 6 6 4
C0B2C2ASC0AB1 13 1 2 2 3 2 1 2
BS10B1CAB20S2012SA0ASC21SC2B 28 5 3 4 3 4 4 5
1C1SAB20 8 1 1 1 1 1 2 1
ASA2CSABCB0BS1 14 3 3 3 2 1 1 1
C1B2C2C21A2C01C0S 17 1 1 1 5 2 3 4
1BS10SCSBA0CS02ACB21BCAC1B2CB21SB21B2A2A0 41 5 5 8 6 4 6 7
02BS102A2A01ACBASBAS01B0C0A0SCSC1ASA0S1BSBA02 45 8 9 6 4 9 5 4
CAS02BAC20S01BA2CSACA0CS0CSC0C20S1 34 6 5 2 8 7 2 4
SC1ABS0S0BSCASBC2 17 5 2 3 3 2 1 1
CB2B021A1CA1CA0AS21BA0BS20C 27 2 5 4 4 4 4 4
A0BA12ABCBS1212S1AS12ABSBA10ASA02020S2S2A21S02BC 48 8 9 6 2 6 7 10
B01CS1SASCA2 12 3 2 1 2 1 2 1
01ACSBS02 9 2 1 1 1 2 1 1
largest string: 49NB: tokens A and B (and C?) may be slightly hard to tell apart, however I assure you they look extremely different when you have looked at them for hours on end like I have
This is how they would look like on a spectrogram.
So, here are the facts about the strings.
1) They always end in an identical end block.
2) There are two sets of 3 tokens (0, 1, 2 and A, B, C). The 0, 1, 2 set look like vertical blocks and the A, B, C set look like horizontal lines. The only token that doesn't fit into either set is the S token because it incorporates a block component (narrow vertical line) and horizontal lines component (the short horizontal lines following right after the narrow vertical line).
3) 2 tokens of the same type never follow each-other, eg. SS or 11 or BB are not valid combinations for these strings, I guarantee they never happen.
4) Every string ALWAYS contains at least 1 of every token. However, it doesn't seem like there is a certain maximum limit to how many times a token can appear.
5) Based on the last point, the minimum string length is 7 tokens.
Theories:
1) This is some sort of visualised/audiolized(this isn't a word, is it...) form of a sign language
2) This is some sort of spoken language
3) This is some sort of numbering system (2 sets of 3 numbers with a "seperator"? perhaps unlikely...)
If this indeed is a numbering system then it is not a normal "base x" numbering system because 2 tokens of the same type can not follow each-other.
Any ideas in light of this new information?
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dynamicbob
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rule them out at least and keeping things simple
hi,
afin d'apporter ma contribution:
Je souhaite vous rappeler que on ne peut pas calculer tout et n'importe quoi.
Il faut respercter certains principes mathématiques.
On ne mélange pas les unités si l'on veut des calculs exactes.
(voir lien suivant).
Exemple 1 : 1 days = 1 sec*60 sec*60 min*24H = 86400 sec
Si vous voulez calculez du temps il faut absolument utiliser des secondes.
google trad
In order to make my contribution:
I want to remind you that you can not calculate anything and everything.
Some mathematical principles must be respected.
Units are not mixed if exact calculations are to be made.
(See next link).
Example 1: 1 days = 1 sec * 60 sec * 60 min * 24H = 86400 sec
If you want to calculate time it is absolutely necessary to use seconds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit
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afin d'apporter ma contribution:
Je souhaite vous rappeler que on ne peut pas calculer tout et n'importe quoi.
Il faut respercter certains principes mathématiques.
On ne mélange pas les unités si l'on veut des calculs exactes.
(voir lien suivant).
Exemple 1 : 1 days = 1 sec*60 sec*60 min*24H = 86400 sec
Si vous voulez calculez du temps il faut absolument utiliser des secondes.
google trad
In order to make my contribution:
I want to remind you that you can not calculate anything and everything.
Some mathematical principles must be respected.
Units are not mixed if exact calculations are to be made.
(See next link).
Example 1: 1 days = 1 sec * 60 sec * 60 min * 24H = 86400 sec
If you want to calculate time it is absolutely necessary to use seconds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_System_of_Units
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SI_base_unit
[/URL]
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OK, crackpot idea time. This is all to do with Cluster "H" found at the first ruins site. (See maps on FrontPage)
From the bugged data bleed in pg and open, this cluster yielded the most data, and my crazy brain thinks it has spotted a pattern in that cluster.
From the extra data bled in pg and open, I have made some projected guesses as to the combos needed to get data from the currently inactive obelisks - if, IF, they were functioning.
This is just a bit of fun really, but I will be looking to make a comparison as to what I "guess" is missing and what comes out of the new site in terms of working combos.
Here is the cluster with the original numbering as is the "official" map:
Here is a jpeg of my <cough> "analysis" spreadsheet
And here is a link to a copy of the spreadsheet itself - please feel free to copy. If there are errors - please let me know, or poke fun, have a biscuit, whatever
Yes, that is the "master order". Ca, Ur, Ta, Or, To, Re. If you order it like that you will find that your namings will follow A,B,C,D,E,Z.
The Culture row follows it perfectly. Language may as well. But for Tech frontier made a mistake with the data entry. Since Tech12 and Tech13 are OrRe. But Tech12 should have been OrTo.
Also see: http://i.imgur.com/hWZyUzN.png
Checked the following coords from https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-The-Canonn?p=5095622&viewfull=1#post5095622:
Please elaborate further?
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