Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn
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IMHO no UA being taken, just the UA eating through the cargo hatch during the scripted Alien Encounter, then finding its way out, and lost in space, perhaps an uncatched bug from the Devs, dued to a forgotten specific behaviour from the UA
I kind of doubt it.UAs have never fallen out in hyperspace before.
If it fell out during the scann, it would have shown on the scanner, after the reboot.
I think these things can play small random tricks on us. Repairs, refules, steal cargo and so on. Just small stuff, to mess with us.
Screenshot NOW, please! I am waiting for them to open, rise and... payback time!
The cracks have been on the ground around them since the last patch I think it was? We noticed it around then.
I'll try. On my phone ATM. These are not my pictures also. Someone in an ED facebook group I am in posted them a few minutes ago.
Best I can do from my phone
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/WvYLq
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Ah, OK. Ignore me so. Was just making sure.
Best I can do from my phone
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/WvYLq
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Ah, OK. Ignore me so. Was just making sure.
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Agreed. Back side is normal space propulsion (thrusters), disposed as damaged and founded at the crash sites. Two-stage modular bio ship, front part (light show) is for deep space travel (wormhole).
Awww... they are hatching!
I had a various ancient alien artifacts on board and got interdicted by the "unknown" ship. The reaction didn't change though...
No one mentioned this before I think...
No one mentioned this before I think...
I visited a barnacle in Merope yesterday, it is still there. I noticed that it was intact (not harvested)...
I'll try. On my phone ATM. These are not my pictures also. Someone in an ED facebook group I am in posted them a few minutes ago.
Best I can do from my phone
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/WvYLq
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Ah, OK. Ignore me so. Was just making sure.
Cool. I didn't see those yesterday, I CalNeb.
Reposting my post from earlier as it discusses various points which have come up since:
There is hopefully enough evidence in my earlier post to convince everyone that this is correct.
Hopefully I can save you some work on that front. What would be the cockpit is buried though, so if you do go it'd be interesting to see if you can get an underground view. All my shots are from way back in my early days of playing before I even knew the debug camera existed!
The ship construction seems to essentially be modular:
At least 1 of each module is present at the site, with one exception - there are no thrusters. The sections/modules that the thusters are embedded in are present but the spots where the thrusters should be are empty.
Visible at the original crash site by my count are:
These are in various states of burial. Some are fully above ground, some are nearly fully buried in the ground, most are partially buried or covered in debris. One tendril is embedded in the ground vertically with only a bit showing, so the depth to which things are in the ground is probably at least 1 Anaconda length.
The hull/body appears to attachment points for 8 of each section/module which suggests that this is not a case of this being a smaller version of the ship with less of each section/module.
All of the visible sections appear to be whole - none of them are in pieces.
So yes, a lot of the ship is not visible at the crash site, but it seems to be a situation more akin to a spider missing some legs, rather than a spider missing it's head or abdomen.
The missing bits may have broken up on impact, but the lack of any pieces means that if they broke up they must have disintegrated completely. Given how deep the vertical tendril looks like it goes into the ground, it seems much more likely that the missing pieces are simply completely buried.
Could be, but there's not way of telling if it's actually missing at the crash site unless someone can get underground with the debug camera as per Bitstorm's comment higher up.
When I first looked at the crash, I did wonder if there'd been any escape pod or similar, but it always struck me that if there had been an escape pod launch then it was very odd that there hadn't been a clean up of the crash. Either rescue or capture of an escape pod would likely lead to the crashed ship being retrieved, destroyed or brought in for analysis/retroengineering.
Definitely a possibility, and I'd say it certainly has a kind of organic feel to it. It could also be a bioengineered ship, with an AI. - both of which Thargoids are reputed to be far in advance of us on...
You can see the shape of the attachment point for the wings on the crashed hull. Looks to me like they're fixed on a diagonal so the movement of opening/closing the aperture has horizontal and vertical components, but with no capability for them to move vertically (octopus/squid style) any further than we've already seen (away from the direction of travel).
My previous post covering the crash site and encounter ships is below. Hopefully, there's enough evidence in there for everyone to see how the crashed ships correspond to the encounter ships.
There is hopefully enough evidence in my earlier post to convince everyone that this is correct.
Hopefully I can save you some work on that front. What would be the cockpit is buried though, so if you do go it'd be interesting to see if you can get an underground view. All my shots are from way back in my early days of playing before I even knew the debug camera existed!
The ship construction seems to essentially be modular:
- 1 Hull/Body
- 8 Wing/Petals (Upper Layer)
- 8 Wing/Petals (Lower Layer)
- 8 Intermediate level sections (Some of these have circular thrusters on them - I haven't counted how many but it's at least 3 of them, so I'm assuming it's 4)
- 8 Tendrils
At least 1 of each module is present at the site, with one exception - there are no thrusters. The sections/modules that the thusters are embedded in are present but the spots where the thrusters should be are empty.
Visible at the original crash site by my count are:
- 1 (out of 1) Hull/Body
- 4 (out of 8) Wing/Petals (Upper Layer)
- 3 (out of 8) Wing/Petals (Lower Layer)
- 2 (out of 8) Intermediate level sections
- 3 (out of 8) Tendrils
These are in various states of burial. Some are fully above ground, some are nearly fully buried in the ground, most are partially buried or covered in debris. One tendril is embedded in the ground vertically with only a bit showing, so the depth to which things are in the ground is probably at least 1 Anaconda length.
The hull/body appears to attachment points for 8 of each section/module which suggests that this is not a case of this being a smaller version of the ship with less of each section/module.
All of the visible sections appear to be whole - none of them are in pieces.
So yes, a lot of the ship is not visible at the crash site, but it seems to be a situation more akin to a spider missing some legs, rather than a spider missing it's head or abdomen.
The missing bits may have broken up on impact, but the lack of any pieces means that if they broke up they must have disintegrated completely. Given how deep the vertical tendril looks like it goes into the ground, it seems much more likely that the missing pieces are simply completely buried.
Could be, but there's not way of telling if it's actually missing at the crash site unless someone can get underground with the debug camera as per Bitstorm's comment higher up.
When I first looked at the crash, I did wonder if there'd been any escape pod or similar, but it always struck me that if there had been an escape pod launch then it was very odd that there hadn't been a clean up of the crash. Either rescue or capture of an escape pod would likely lead to the crashed ship being retrieved, destroyed or brought in for analysis/retroengineering.
Definitely a possibility, and I'd say it certainly has a kind of organic feel to it. It could also be a bioengineered ship, with an AI. - both of which Thargoids are reputed to be far in advance of us on...
You can see the shape of the attachment point for the wings on the crashed hull. Looks to me like they're fixed on a diagonal so the movement of opening/closing the aperture has horizontal and vertical components, but with no capability for them to move vertically (octopus/squid style) any further than we've already seen (away from the direction of travel).
My previous post covering the crash site and encounter ships is below. Hopefully, there's enough evidence in there for everyone to see how the crashed ships correspond to the encounter ships.
Fellow cmdrs,
Following on from a promise to show pics in an earlier couple of posts, I'm going to present you all the evidence and hopefully demonstrate to everyone's satisfaction that the ships from the encounters and the crash sites are of the same type. (Though given how long it's taken to pull it all together, the matter's probably already been put to bed in the meantime!)
Exhibit A - The Wings/Petals
As can be seen from the encounters, there are two parts to the Wings/Petals:
Compare the part on the underside (images above are looking from the underside) with the following from the crash site:
Now look at the topside from the encounters:
And compare to the following from the crash:
Also take a look at the following images of the main body/hull of the ship from the crash site, where the attachments points of the upper wings/petals can be seen, along with where the point of one of the wings has been forced through the hull in the crash and what looks like a small attachment point:
The small attachment point would match the shape of the inner tip of the lower petal/wing, and is likely where it attaches to the body/hull.
Exhibit B - The underside of the ship (Tendrils and other parts):
There are two distinct sets of parts on the underside of the ships from the encounters, the parts that resemble tendrils and the parts which are at an angle between the tendrils and the petals/wings (the latter set contain what appear to be the thrusters)
These can be seen in the videos, the first image in this post, and the following:
For the set that contain the thrusters, compare these to the following from the crash site:
Different parts of the section are buried or missing in the two images above and I've had to flip one for ease of comparison, but the overall structure/shape of the section should be clear when comparing the two.
For the tendrils, compare these to the following from the crash site:
View showing side and edge of a piece lying flat:
http://i.imgur.com/m3y0ebS.jpg
View showing the edge of a piece embedded point first in the ground:
http://i.imgur.com/eKsCDtp.jpg
And, for completeness, the underside of the hull/body at the crash site (the side that's facing up), considering in particular the 8 areas which might be attachment points for the tendrils or thruster sections, and the various octagons and the various other general 8-fold symmetries:
Exhibit C - Size
See the below:
As you can see, the hull/body at the crash site is in the order of the size of an Anaconda (maybe two thirds the size). With the petals/wings all attached, the crashed ship would be much bigger than an Anaconda.
That concludes the evidence and my case is now over to you all for consideration. (Or probably over to you all to tell me I've been ninja'd!
I would like some with dirty drives to get the screenshots of alien "face/cabin" the moment before alien jumps into the wormhole. Curious if it will turn from transparent to solid.
The pilot will probably be crushed, but.. for the science! (Something from 2.2 trailers is bugging me...)
The pilot will probably be crushed, but.. for the science! (Something from 2.2 trailers is bugging me...)
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I can see that the event is always the same, appears to the port side, scans, spins ship to starboard, leaves...
But, can we work out if it's leaving in the same galactic direction each time? I mean, is there a candidate destination or is it random depending on how the hyperdicted pilot exited hyperspace?
(couldn't see link to this question on the front page, sure it will have been asked)
But, can we work out if it's leaving in the same galactic direction each time? I mean, is there a candidate destination or is it random depending on how the hyperdicted pilot exited hyperspace?
(couldn't see link to this question on the front page, sure it will have been asked)
very scary look like a skull,
I arrived at HD 279128 none hyper diction have occurred so i believe now it happens only in the area of pleiades within angle of 150ly
Update: after my second hyperdiction I notice my modules stay for a long time now at 97-100%
and it seems heat is lower when fuel scooping I hope to hear of others have the same experience because then i start to think they are the Oresrians.
and are our healers when the space war begins with the Thargoids
I arrived at HD 279128 none hyper diction have occurred so i believe now it happens only in the area of pleiades within angle of 150ly
Update: after my second hyperdiction I notice my modules stay for a long time now at 97-100%
and it seems heat is lower when fuel scooping I hope to hear of others have the same experience because then i start to think they are the Oresrians.
and are our healers when the space war begins with the Thargoids
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Oh boy here we go... (again)
Interesting theory i have re Unknown artifacts and Meta Alloys
They are two parts to a bio weapon targeted at humanity.
We have yet to receive the trigger.
Let me explain.
Unknown artifacts represent shiny things in space to attract humans. A classic honey trap if you like. Humans get these and discover they do damage. Aliens know humans are aggressive and fight each other so anticipate humans will use such objects against one another. Humans therefore act as virus vectors to spread a deadly weapon throughout the human race.
To seemingly counteract the damage these UA's do, the aliens leave Barnacles which produce meta alloys which miraculously act as neutralizing agents to UA's.
Humans being an intelligent species quickly learn of this and use MA's to counteract the damage done by UA's.
This however is the second stage of the attack. One designed to fool the humans into a false sense of security. The reality however is that all that has happened is that a further more deadly stage of the attack has been set in motion. One that has resulted in the UA's effects being put into a dormant but far more unstable state, that merely requires a third trigger to activate and set off something truly catastrophic.
We are being given the "seeds" of our own destruction.
From an out of game Meta perspective i find it awfully interesting that Frontier designed UA's with the ability from the offset to damage stations, while also creating meta alloys to reverse said damage. Why go to all the effort of putting such coding into the game unless it is part of a bigger more insidious plan. They could have left UAs as simply damaging ships and left it at that. Barnacles could have merely produced other materials such as gold or Berylium.
They are two parts to a bio weapon targeted at humanity.
We have yet to receive the trigger.
Let me explain.
Unknown artifacts represent shiny things in space to attract humans. A classic honey trap if you like. Humans get these and discover they do damage. Aliens know humans are aggressive and fight each other so anticipate humans will use such objects against one another. Humans therefore act as virus vectors to spread a deadly weapon throughout the human race.
To seemingly counteract the damage these UA's do, the aliens leave Barnacles which produce meta alloys which miraculously act as neutralizing agents to UA's.
Humans being an intelligent species quickly learn of this and use MA's to counteract the damage done by UA's.
This however is the second stage of the attack. One designed to fool the humans into a false sense of security. The reality however is that all that has happened is that a further more deadly stage of the attack has been set in motion. One that has resulted in the UA's effects being put into a dormant but far more unstable state, that merely requires a third trigger to activate and set off something truly catastrophic.
We are being given the "seeds" of our own destruction.
From an out of game Meta perspective i find it awfully interesting that Frontier designed UA's with the ability from the offset to damage stations, while also creating meta alloys to reverse said damage. Why go to all the effort of putting such coding into the game unless it is part of a bigger more insidious plan. They could have left UAs as simply damaging ships and left it at that. Barnacles could have merely produced other materials such as gold or Berylium.
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