Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

Auntystatic · Jan 13, 2017

HamishUK said:
Just join Mobius and stop moaning

you cant join mobius its reached the maximim size for a group

Jmanis · Jan 13, 2017

Jorki Rasalas said:
"Working as intended" does not mean it is soluble in Solo; they might intend it to be solved only in Private/Open by a group of Cmdrs!

Frankly, I hope not.

RedWizzard · Jan 13, 2017

Jorki Rasalas said:
THREE:
1-Guardian
2-Thargoid (warrior species created by Guardians)
3-AI

I think this is more likely (not sure about the thargoid origin but your theory is plausible). However having just seen the latest episode of Sherlock I'm reluctant to stop searching at three.

tulae · Jan 13, 2017

mad_nox said:
Hmm good to know. I'll update it.

Glad to help. The specific ones I've seen were F-6/7; D-9/10; and C-40/41

Lorgius · Jan 13, 2017

This is what I was talking about couple of post ago

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/300054-Alien-archeology-and-other-mysteries-Thread-9-The-Canonn?p=5002971&viewfull=1#post5002971

I.m also thinking it is deliberate and important.

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I'm sorry it supposed to be reply with quote

Adyaphede said:
This could be nothing, but the pylon holding the relic at the top (the one inside the "main" circle) is missing a prong. None of the others do.
http://i.imgur.com/w2FdpWd.png

I have zero idea if it means something, but I doubt it's a false positive.

This is what I was talking about couple of post ago

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/300054-Alien-archeology-and-other-mysteries-Thread-9-The-Canonn?p=5002971&viewfull=1#post5002971

I.m also thinking it is deliberate and important.

tulae · Jan 13, 2017

mad_nox said:
Hmm good to know. I'll update it.

Does the scanner location cahnge too, I could swear they hadnt changed in being there since monday.

Do you have screenshots of them in diff orientations?

Sorry, I had responded before you added more. What do you mean by scanner location? The blue/glowing part of the obelisk?

As for screenshots, I have very few of the site in general, but haven't been keeping track of every change because I'm on Xbox and it's kind of a hassle to take them and move them to my computer. I've been keeping track of the active obelisks by annotating my maps. Sorry

Erid · Jan 13, 2017

Lorgius said:
I.m also thinking it is deliberate and important.

This is slippery path. Be careful.

PS: Now I'm sick - I started to analyze Gypsy12 avatar

Lorgius · Jan 13, 2017

SmartBase said:
The pillars and relics are still bugging me, they don't currently seem to serve a purpose. Do these symbols found on the three sides of the pillars/beacons mean anything? Surely someone's figured these out by now, they're certainly not hard to see and record unlike the gibberish appearing on the obelisks.

https://abload.de/img/b1fxs6m.jpg
https://abload.de/img/b12gls6k.jpg
https://abload.de/img/b131ascc.jpg

It took my attention also. For me it is kind of manual of instruction for something. Little triangles could be referring to obelisks, or coordinates or even specific relics. Each side of base have 3 fields. Field is empty or has triangles on it. One big and few smaller ones on its sides. It must mean something imo.

Also there is this central Beacon with only two supporting elements at top. Just like direction sign.

Zieman · Jan 13, 2017

CMDR Charybdis said:
Updated map (thanks CMDR Zieman for the two Orb additions). Also found a relic (19).

Imgur link: http://i.imgur.com/2So0gI8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2So0gI8.jpg

Sorry, I was a bit tired at the time of my posting, so I didn't notice the two Relic towers missing.
You found one, I marked the other with yellow on this pic of your map:

hosting images

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Adyaphede said:
I've noticed that your map is missing 4 "ancient artifact" placements (blue glow on ground).

Here's my personal (very crude) map. I'm thinking there might be a 20th hidden somewhere outside maybe.
http://i.imgur.com/JElktJf.png

I added the missing 20th artifact to your map in this pic:

windows 7 screenshot

fatimous · Jan 13, 2017

Lorgius said:
It took my attention also. For me it is kind of manual of instruction for something. Little triangles could be referring to obelisks, or coordinates or even specific relics. Each side of base have 3 fields. Field is empty or has triangles on it. One big and few smaller ones on its sides. It must mean something imo.

Also there is this central Beacon with only two supporting elements at top. Just like direction sign.

I would say check to see if the symbols on the Beacons have anything to do with which pillars either need to be removed or left in place. If each beacon has 3 different sets of symbols one set on each side of it, then it would be best to check symbol sets on the same sides of all beacons. If all beacons all have the same symbols on each side then it then comes to reason that our code is based on those symbols. What I'm thinking is based the top center beacon it comes with only 2 pillars up (1 is always missing and its always the same side). So based on these symbols on the sides of the beacon we treat the large triangle as our relic (keep them in place) then based either on the mini triangles that are shown around our "relic" we either remove them or keep them up. In one of the pictures posted of the symbols we have triangle on the bottom and right side, but not the left. A diagram would make this explanation easier, but as im going to bed, I wont have time to test this or make a diagram. Maybe finding the correct orientation of which pillars are left up might get us some new data, maybe not from the obelisks, but for possible clues to new ruins locations. As there is only 35-36 data points in our current ruins we have 2 more ruins to consider out there so hopefully we can get clues on how to find it soon.

This whole puzzle is confusing the crap out of me, and I find it frustrating that it cant be progressed in solo mode past a certain point, seems a tad unnecessary and poor design. But with the standard 13 out of the way I will test the beacons a bit before going back into open or Private Grp with either CMDRs on here or Mobius (which ever one Im allowed to join) to trying to make sense of this all and help catalouge data points. Hopefully we settle on a numbering scheme for these obelisks soon, it keeps changing day by day at this point.

Olivia Vespera · Jan 13, 2017

mad_nox said:
I made this up, what do you think. I like having it all in one image...

Link

Since all the cool kids are color coding too via Zenith's theories, I'll add that in, however, I have gotten error messages at times using it, so take it with a grain of salt.
The back to back ones I count as a single. Maybe I'm wrong, but I've only ever seen them light up in one way

http://i.imgur.com/sbpoM0m.png

Annotation looks good. Presentation is a little messy though. It would be nice if each image was presented as a separate image.

Shakujo · Jan 13, 2017

I'd like to point out 1 thing (sorry if someone already mentioned it...):
Last night, scanning the 4 Obelisks at site C with 2 Relics on the SRV, has given me 2 events reported as "possible correct scan, but with data already known": I heard the mission update sound, but received no email (not success nor failure).
If this is not some kind of bug, it could be the evidence that all 6 alien items can be primary items.

Han_Zen · Jan 13, 2017

RedWizzard said:
I think this is more likely (not sure about the thargoid origin but your theory is plausible). However having just seen the latest episode of Sherlock I'm reluctant to stop searching at three.

If we look at all the hints we have, there could be quite a few.

- Guardians. They are presumably dead. Most likely killed by their own AI. Their bio weapons did not work on them. Unlike the Thargoids, their technology must have been inorganic.
- Thargoids. All versions of the previous lore have indicated two separate groups/species. It's not unlikely that this has carried over to ED. The Alien ships in the Pleiades could well be 'Other Thargoids'.
- AI. We know some human made AI have escaped and that the Guardians made advanced AI. Some may still be out there.
- Jasmina Halsey's 'real caretakers of our galaxy'/"the true architects of creation"/"the infinities of the cosmos". Not much on these guys, but they seem to be a few steps ahead of us on the evolution ladder.
- The lizard people from Andromeda. These are the fantasy monsters of Ricardo Bentonio. He has probably got it mixed up in some way, but there is always something in it when FD drops a hint like that.

In addition we have the lost humans. The beacons from the Dynasty expedition suggests that there might be at least one large unknown human faction out there.

Some of these may overlap and actually be the same thing or a result of each other. For example Ricardo Bentonio claims: 'The lizard people from Andromeda, that’s the Imperial Dynasty'.

The relic found on Mars also tells us that the Sol system has been known to sentient aliens prior to the human technological period. It could well be a Guardian relic of some kind. They seem to show up in far away places.

Finally. The axial tilt and the extremely close orbiting moon of the ruin planet suggests that it has been involved in a violent event. The moon also has a huge dent. The planet and the moon may have had a hard collision in the distant past. They could even originate from a different system. The same thing can be said for Merope 5C, that does not seem to belong where it is either.

CMDR ChronoZoggt · Jan 13, 2017

fatimous said:
I would say check to see if the symbols on the Beacons have anything to do with which pillars either need to be removed or left in place. If each beacon has 3 different sets of symbols one set on each side of it, then it would be best to check symbol sets on the same sides of all beacons. If all beacons all have the same symbols on each side then it then comes to reason that our code is based on those symbols. What I'm thinking is based the top center beacon it comes with only 2 pillars up (1 is always missing and its always the same side). So based on these symbols on the sides of the beacon we treat the large triangle as our relic (keep them in place) then based either on the mini triangles that are shown around our "relic" we either remove them or keep them up. In one of the pictures posted of the symbols we have triangle on the bottom and right side, but not the left. A diagram would make this explanation easier, but as im going to bed, I wont have time to test this or make a diagram. Maybe finding the correct orientation of which pillars are left up might get us some new data, maybe not from the obelisks, but for possible clues to new ruins locations. As there is only 35-36 data points in our current ruins we have 2 more ruins to consider out there so hopefully we can get clues on how to find it soon.

This whole puzzle is confusing the crap out of me, and I find it frustrating that it cant be progressed in solo mode past a certain point, seems a tad unnecessary and poor design. But with the standard 13 out of the way I will test the beacons a bit before going back into open or Private Grp with either CMDRs on here or Mobius (which ever one Im allowed to join) to trying to make sense of this all and help catalouge data points. Hopefully we settle on a numbering scheme for these obelisks soon, it keeps changing day by day at this point.

Someone in the spreadnaught mentioned classified Cam showing triangles rotating underneath the Beacons, maybe that is something to look at?

eadghe · Jan 13, 2017

allocater said:
If we don't get any counter-examples, we can now assume that every non-standard zone G obelisk gives "Historical 16" when scanned with Casket+Relic.

So everybody who is still on 13, head to the G zone in PG/open, find a non-standard obelisk and scan with Casket+Relic and report results.

Code:

Interesting, I got Historical 16 from the same Casket + Relic combo but it was from the center/circular set of obelisks.

Then we have to change it to:

Every non-standard RED zone obelisk gives "Historical 16" when scanned with Casket+Relic.

I just tried that and I still didn't get History 16.

jordanthurt · Jan 13, 2017

I think there's got to be a couple other sites. Read his message in the mission overview in Transactions: "explore as many ancient sites you can find." Also, wasn't this area previously discovered before this mission? I think there's got to be something we are missing. Especially because everyone is just getting partial or conflicting data on all of their charts. Thoughts?

dumbo · Jan 13, 2017

I'm not sure it's any help, but a couple of the entries stand out as maybe being hints...

- "The glyphs seem to be able to be combine to describe complex concepts, but also communicate additional layers of meaning through the inclusion of movement. Each glyph is a symbol. They are more abstract than pictoral hieroglyphics, but it's possible to identify a simplistic reference to the shape of the thing being described - for example, the glyph for 'moon' incorporates the waxing and waning as it would have appeared from the Guardians' homeworld."

- "These glyphs actually evolved from a form of sign language that the Guardians developed when hunting".

Those may just be backstory, but the first one does seem to have an oddly specific piece of information about a symbol.

rizal72 · Jan 13, 2017

aayush said:
I have been lurking in this thread since last few days and I think we need to organise this thread first as so many people here are talking to each other and then there are some random useful posts in between its hard to know what is actually going on.

I also believe just before the end of the mission duration something will change/happen which will either give us clues about new site or where to look for more data and this is all part of 2-3 stage mission.

YOU SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THE FRONTPAGE THEN, DAILY...

Han_Zen said:
If we look at all the hints we have, there could be quite a few.

- Guardians. They are presumably dead. Most likely killed by their own AI. Their bio weapons did not work on them. Unlike the Thargoids, their technology must have been inorganic.
- Thargoids. All versions of the previous lore have indicated two separate groups/species. It's not unlikely that this has carried over to ED. The Alien ships in the Pleiades could well be 'Other Thargoids'.
- AI. We know some human made AI have escaped and that the Guardians made advanced AI. Some may still be out there.
- Jasmina Halsey's 'real caretakers of our galaxy'/"the true architects of creation"/"the infinities of the cosmos". Not much on these guys, but they seem to be a few steps ahead of us on the evolution ladder.
- The lizard people from Andromeda. These are the fantasy monsters of Ricardo Bentonio. He has probably got it mixed up in some way, but there is always something in it when FD drops a hint like that.

In addition we have the lost humans. The beacons from the Dynasty expedition suggests that there might be at least one large unknown human faction out there.

Some of these may overlap and actually be the same thing or a result of each other. For example Ricardo Bentonio claims: 'The lizard people from Andromeda, that’s the Imperial Dynasty'.

The relic found on Mars also tells us that the Sol system has been known to sentient aliens prior to the human technological period. It could well be a Guardian relic of some kind. They seem to show up in far away places.

Finally. The axial tilt and the extremely close orbiting moon of the ruin planet suggests that it has been involved in a violent event. The moon also has a huge dent. The planet and the moon may have had a hard collision in the distant past. They could even originate from a different system. The same thing can be said for Merope 5C, that does not seem to belong where it is either.

I'm with you as always Han "not Solo anymore" Zen

dynamicbob · Jan 13, 2017

so are there any mission clues, galnet clues or other clues that might be floating around that might begin to point us towards the next ancient ruins (and again it seems these are non thargoid aliens to)

Ghost1 · Jan 13, 2017

Han_Zen said:
If we look at all the hints we have, there could be quite a few.

- Guardians. They are presumably dead. Most likely killed by their own AI. Their bio weapons did not work on them. Unlike the Thargoids, their technology must have been inorganic.
- Thargoids. All versions of the previous lore have indicated two separate groups/species. It's not unlikely that this has carried over to ED. The Alien ships in the Pleiades could well be 'Other Thargoids'.
- AI. We know some human made AI have escaped and that the Guardians made advanced AI. Some may still be out there.
- Jasmina Halsey's 'real caretakers of our galaxy'/"the true architects of creation"/"the infinities of the cosmos". Not much on these guys, but they seem to be a few steps ahead of us on the evolution ladder.
- The lizard people from Andromeda. These are the fantasy monsters of Ricardo Bentonio. He has probably got it mixed up in some way, but there is always something in it when FD drops a hint like that.

In addition we have the lost humans. The beacons from the Dynasty expedition suggests that there might be at least one large unknown human faction out there.

Some of these may overlap and actually be the same thing or a result of each other. For example Ricardo Bentonio claims: 'The lizard people from Andromeda, that’s the Imperial Dynasty'.

The relic found on Mars also tells us that the Sol system has been known to sentient aliens prior to the human technological period. It could well be a Guardian relic of some kind. They seem to show up in far away places.

Finally. The axial tilt and the extremely close orbiting moon of the ruin planet suggests that it has been involved in a violent event. The moon also has a huge dent. The planet and the moon may have had a hard collision in the distant past. They could even originate from a different system. The same thing can be said for Merope 5C, that does not seem to belong where it is either.

this is an awesome write up.

You know you forgot one other thing. The thargoid were at war with more then just one other species, this was said many many times. So many these lizard people could be one of them? Also we know the thargoids are controlled by queen(kind of like ants)
i dont think humanity has seen that yet. And i dont think we've seen the rumored AI race yet, and if we did oh man that will be the day E

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