Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

[Straha Yeagar]

It's not that badly bugged. The majority of the 29 pieces of data I've collected was collected by scanning the obelisks. Several of which were confirmed by other cmdrs. We are supposed to be getting these pieces of data from this site.

What does seem to be bugged is that you can't rescan the same obelisk without relogging even when it switches back on after going dark and the way in which additional obelisks turn on. At the moment that seems to be completely random and seems to be determined by the proximity of cmdrs in SRVs. If there is anyway of determining what that is I've yet to figure it out.

Although something that could be worth testing in a private group is approaching a cluster of obelisks with different combinations of artefacts in different SRVs in a controlled fashion to see what changes (if any) occur.

And this is likely, but given the fact that only 13 have been achieved in solo, and the completely unpredictable, and non repeatable things seen with the instancing issues, delayed messages, missing messages, I don't think we can rule out some sort of bleed over.

Also, considering the only thing we have indicating multiple sites, and I do lean very heavily toward there being multiple sites, but the only hint we have so far that there ARE multiple sites is the plural "sites" in Ram's message...and that could just as easily be chalked up to clumsy wording.

 

[zorbaq]

http://imgur.com/a/tKIyW

Argument of periapsis?

 

[TiberiuS]

http://imgur.com/a/tKIyW

Well... okay... BUT the planet moves and the background changes. We need more than that to find the spot. A "time" at least... or constellation.

 

[D4RKS4V4NT]

Theory:

The original configuration somehow matched or worked with the original planned stepping stones Fdev had in mind. IF ruin A lead to ruin B, and then B to C, finding B or C first (which may have been what occurred) could have required a change to point players back toward the undiscovered ruin sites. This may be why they felt it necessary to re-arrange the obelisks.

o7

There must be a specific reason that FD have rearranged the original site, on the surface this means that they want us to interpret the layout of the site somehow. And as people have said if we have found this before maybe other sites that should have been found (comments by Michael Brookes about repurposing the stepping stones for something else). Maybe the site had to be rearranged to point us back at the original stepping stones?

Here's an image with the system next to it
http://i.imgur.com/rYwNoth.jpg

It's hard to tell from the image the exact count so if the upper circle is 2 rings but 4 divots then maybe it's the other stellar body #5 since it has 2 rings and 4 planets. What I find most interesting is that the data mentions their reference to the moon waxing/waning and that the moon cycles directly overhead. Makes me wonder if we can speed up planet searches by identifying a moons orbit and the follow that exact path with a ship. If so that will greatly speed up any searches.

I did wonder why there were ditches around the circular mounds - maybe this could be the meaning...

A hint...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...of-the-15-Obelisks-after-scanning-(Solo-Mode)

That it may not be working as intended.

OK so it could be broken then - great....

I think most people are convinced by the probability of there being more than one site. As no one seems to have recieved any of the beginning or end data pieces this is increasingly likely (one of the reason I've spent so much time scanning obelisks and figuring out as many combinations as possible is to confirm that we aren't getting the other sections of data and hopefully uncover a clue to the other sites locations).

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Doesn't the game call it obelisk data?

Yes I think there is a definite difference between "obelisks" and "monoliths", Ram Tah talks about a monolith communication network but calls the triangular structures at the ruins obelisks.

 

[programad]

And this is likely, but given the fact that only 13 have been achieved in solo, and the completely unpredictable, and non repeatable things seen with the instancing issues, delayed messages, missing messages, I don't think we can rule out some sort of bleed over.

Also, considering the only thing we have indicating multiple sites, and I do lean very heavily toward there being multiple sites, but the only hint we have so far that there ARE multiple sites is the plural "sites" in Ram's message...and that could just as easily be chalked up to clumsy wording.

The comboXpattern sheet I made indicates that there is only 36 possible combinations with the current facts we have.

We are missing the first and last thirds of every research.

Ram Tah says "sites".

Those are all the evidences I need to believe in multiple ancient sites. Unless someone prove me wrong.

 

[Octanoz]

Can someone tell me how we actually happened upon this mission? Was it just by chance? It seems a bit awkward to just give this mission to anyone docking at Felice...

Has anyone travelled to Ram Tah's base to see if he wants to do anything with the data scans?

 

[Pumabear8]

I am! I am trying to understand patterns and relations, occurrences, facts. Most people ar focusing on wich combination gives what on wich obelisk.

If this is anything like a Jigsaw puzzle, I'd presume we're going to need all the pieces, but if some of those pieces are bugged, then we're not going to get the whole picture.

 

[iFred]

The comboXpattern sheet I made indicates that there is only 36 possible combinations with the current facts we have.

We are missing the first and last thirds of every research.

Ram Tah says "sites".

Those are all the evidences I need to believe in multiple ancient sites. Unless someone prove me wrong.

Thinking exactly the same. But I wonder how we find the other sites - theres no single hint I am aware of. And we should have in mind that this site was found by accident, not by science

 

[programad]

Yes I think there is a definite difference between "obelisks" and "monoliths", Ram Tah talks about a monolith communication network but calls the triangular structures at the ruins obelisks.

So we scan a monolith to obtain a obelisk pattern?

We have 4 known obelisks (beacons?) then. We may be missing a fifth since there are 5 patterns (alpha, beta, gamma, delta and epsilon)

 

[piranha9]

Can someone tell me how we actually happened upon this mission? Was it just by chance? It seems a bit awkward to just give this mission to anyone docking at Felice...

Has anyone travelled to Ram Tah's base to see if he wants to do anything with the data scans?

If i recall correctly, this was mentioned in a GalNet article some days ago..

 

[Xenia_K]

I think either clamps for a roof or to dock ships to.

or the shield emitters for the cities shield which is mentioned in the data

 

[programad]

or the shield emitters for the cities shield which is mentioned in the data

Most likely.

But not city, too small to be a city. Most likely to be a comm station and the geometry indicates where it communicates with.

Tech 08 states:

"Now I understand. This was the missing piece. The monolith network was augmented by vehicle-based communication systems, personal devices and even implants. These were designed to operate seamlessly with the network to provide ad-hoc coverage. Having implants that you can direct communications to you directly would revolutionise communications as we know it. I can only speculate what this would have felt like, but it might have even gone as far as a technological telepathy of sorts."

I still think that the enlongated structure might be an antenna that was placed in the middle of the main circle and fell down after the shields failed.

 

[Straha Yeagar]

Thinking exactly the same. But I wonder how we find the other sites - theres no single hint I am aware of. And we should have in mind that this site was found by accident, not by science

My initial thoughts way back at the beginning were also that there are multiple sites, and I still lean that way. The problem I am having is that now that we have confirmation of things not working quite as intended, this does validate the inconsistent nature of our findings, and our seeming inability to find the logic and repeatability of anything in this puzzle...which leads me to not get locked into any one thought process until we actually have something concrete to go on.

 

[Halbu]

Can someone tell me how we actually happened upon this mission? Was it just by chance? It seems a bit awkward to just give this mission to anyone docking at Felice...

Has anyone travelled to Ram Tah's base to see if he wants to do anything with the data scans?

This. I actually simply followed the Obsidian Ant's video on YT to get the mission. Maybe we missed the first part by going aftet Ram Tah and don't have the information needed to find the remaining sites?
It sure feels like watching a tv series from the middle and guessing how it started without any 'Previously on...' We need to find episode 1 and watch it from the start.

 

[Greno Zee]

Thinking exactly the same. But I wonder how we find the other sites - theres no single hint I am aware of. And we should have in mind that this site was found by accident, not by science

I fly with Beasts of Bestia and we strongly believe there are enough clues to locate the other sites. In fact, we have one hot hypothesis and if it shows correct, we might have at least one other site by the end of the week. We will share if we succeed.
Also, I wondered how far the scanning progress has gotten. We have discovered certain pattern thanks to which we all have around 26 positive scans already and expect to have all 36 each person by tomorrow. Is anyone actually this far?

 

[Leo3ABP]

Well... okay... BUT the planet moves and the background changes. We need more than that to find the spot. A "time" at least... or constellation.

A mother of all speculations, but for a time, 18.35 would be my wild guess. See reasoning on the picture.

Spoiler

I fly with Beasts of Bestia... ...we all have around 26 positive scans already and expect to have all 36 each person by tomorrow. Is anyone actually this far?

THis isn't a competition, you know.... Just saying

 

[programad]

I fly with Beasts of Bestia and we strongly believe there are enough clues to locate the other sites. In fact, we have one hot hypothesis and if it shows correct, we might have at least one other site by the end of the week. We will share if we succeed.
Also, I wondered how far the scanning progress has gotten. We have discovered certain pattern thanks to which we all have around 26 positive scans already and expect to have all 36 each person by tomorrow. Is anyone actually this far?

So, you are get all the info we share and don't want to share anything, right?

 

[street]

I have had an NPC sighting near the ruins today. I was in Mobious PVE. I'm not able to insert the imageur link. Will try to upload it later. BTW the ship (Anaconda) scan me and then told that I was free to go, since I was clean.

 

[Trafalgar Law]

I fly with Beasts of Bestia and we strongly believe there are enough clues to locate the other sites. In fact, we have one hot hypothesis and if it shows correct, we might have at least one other site by the end of the week. We will share if we succeed.
Also, I wondered how far the scanning progress has gotten. We have discovered certain pattern thanks to which we all have around 26 positive scans already and expect to have all 36 each person by tomorrow. Is anyone actually this far?

Why not share your suppositions now? With the amount of interested players there'd be more chance of checking/verifying your ideas.

 

[zorbaq]

I fly with Beasts of Bestia and we strongly believe there are enough clues to locate the other sites. In fact, we have one hot hypothesis and if it shows correct, we might have at least one other site by the end of the week. We will share if we succeed.
Also, I wondered how far the scanning progress has gotten. We have discovered certain pattern thanks to which we all have around 26 positive scans already and expect to have all 36 each person by tomorrow. Is anyone actually this far?

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