Has anyone thought that maybe the markings on the obelisks may translate into the required combinations? Just a thought.
Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn
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Thus far no one has deciphered the glyphs on the obelisks. They're quite complex, so doing so is effectively impossible without more of a point of reference probably.
I think we're overthinking their meaning though. As Ram Tah stated, their written language can often be representative of imagery. Instead of applying hexadecimal, binary, or alphabets or etc to them, perhaps we should look at them more simply? In particular, while they aren't exactly symmetrical, they do mirror each other. The first one with two pointing to the right (well, no clue which side is "side 1") shows three on top and three on the bottom with a space on the top, then on the second pointing to the right there are three on top and bottom again but with the space on the bottom. It's flipped over. On the third side (again, there is no way to determine which side is which *shrugs*) where they point left, they're aligned with all on top and everything points the other way with a space on the left, then suddenly the whole thing flips with the big triangle suddenly higher (and it's at exactly the same height on all the others) putting the small triangles pointed the same way with the same space on the left -- once again exactly flipped. The single one seems to match the first of the two left pointing ones I think. (BTW, sorry, my picture wasn't as clear as I'd like. There are some small triangles not showing up on a couple of those.)
Maybe they're just telling us to turn something (ourselves?) over or to look down or something. Or maybe we're supposed to arrange something in a particular point in the ways depicted and then move them to the other side. I really don't know. I just feel like this was meant to be a more simplistic thing not intending that you know the language. And certainly these images don't match the glyphs used on the obelisks that are presumably their actual writing system.
I just keep coming back to this. This really stands out in the site. It's the only truly clear sign of them actually leaving some sort of visible imagery for anyone to find. The obelisks are data sites and possibly not even intended for a third party to immediately have access to. The beacons are very... Flashy though. They pop out of the ground loudly with mechanical mechanisms grinding and then have a glowing ancient relic that continues glowing no matter what you do. If you shoot the shields off you can see them glowing from very far away. They really wanted you to see these and think about them.
I think we're overthinking their meaning though. As Ram Tah stated, their written language can often be representative of imagery. Instead of applying hexadecimal, binary, or alphabets or etc to them, perhaps we should look at them more simply? In particular, while they aren't exactly symmetrical, they do mirror each other. The first one with two pointing to the right (well, no clue which side is "side 1") shows three on top and three on the bottom with a space on the top, then on the second pointing to the right there are three on top and bottom again but with the space on the bottom. It's flipped over. On the third side (again, there is no way to determine which side is which *shrugs*) where they point left, they're aligned with all on top and everything points the other way with a space on the left, then suddenly the whole thing flips with the big triangle suddenly higher (and it's at exactly the same height on all the others) putting the small triangles pointed the same way with the same space on the left -- once again exactly flipped. The single one seems to match the first of the two left pointing ones I think. (BTW, sorry, my picture wasn't as clear as I'd like. There are some small triangles not showing up on a couple of those.)
Maybe they're just telling us to turn something (ourselves?) over or to look down or something. Or maybe we're supposed to arrange something in a particular point in the ways depicted and then move them to the other side. I really don't know. I just feel like this was meant to be a more simplistic thing not intending that you know the language. And certainly these images don't match the glyphs used on the obelisks that are presumably their actual writing system.
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Main issue in solo mode is the message bug which makes working out the combination difficult (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...tting-delayed-delivery?highlight=Ancient+ruin).
Regarding open mode - I feel you! It's not just that gankers are a**holes but due to lag you get no chance as I "think" you appear in game for them to target and kill long before your session even starts at your end. So you have little to zero chance, whatever the ship mismatch!
- Last time it happened to me I had already in solo mode gone high above the site looking down so I could survey the situation and had heat sinks ready to deploy. As my open session started a Conda below was already making the last part of his turn towards me (a fraction of a second) before he started shooting so had no chance to do the heat sink.
- Wasn't too bothered - I was prepared to die as I had finished that session of scan 13/15 and ready to start again.
EDIT: Try joining a PVE group - i've just been accepted by Mobius but not yet tried it out!
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I feel like the site has some type of meaning to it, especially the arrangement of the obelisks.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/f...n3kTn0qa0aQpPgWK4LtRUZPYODadUNbIjTGksHWbNVM8A
Looking at that map you can see triangles appear at obelisk 5, 15, and 14 but I'm not sure what they would mean.
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/f...n3kTn0qa0aQpPgWK4LtRUZPYODadUNbIjTGksHWbNVM8A
Looking at that map you can see triangles appear at obelisk 5, 15, and 14 but I'm not sure what they would mean.
Theory:
The original configuration somehow matched or worked with the original planned stepping stones Fdev had in mind. IF ruin A lead to ruin B, and then B to C, finding B or C first (which may have been what occurred) could have required a change to point players back toward the undiscovered ruin sites. This may be why they felt it necessary to re-arrange the obelisks.
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Merope 5 is also a ringed brown dwarf, is it not?
That seems likely. I wonder if the data is supposed to be used to "unlock" the next step (if the whole stepping stone idea that's floating around is true).
Yeah..... I've been at the ruins all day.... I guess I'll relog and see if that does it.
Edit: Yeah, must have been a server issue. Good now.
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This all feels like a middle-finger from FDev, in their own little way saying "finding stuff on your own are you... let's just see about that!". They know we'll get in a frenzy over this, the 100m payout is little more than a "you cant do this" (say it MC Hammer style-ee). they know we won't care about the money, tragically, they also know we adore and admire the puzzle's themselves. It's not like we need guidance, we'll strive to find the answers and ask each other the right questions, all we need is a little more clarity on whether the puzzle pieces are working as intended.
At present, it's like having two 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzles mixed together with no pictures in site, there is a pack of six dice and a heads/tails coin thrown in though. Most annoyingly however, is no matter how frustrating this is becoming, i can't stop myself wanting to know more and watch it progress, whether i'm in it or not... to that degree, well done FDev.
At present, it's like having two 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzles mixed together with no pictures in site, there is a pack of six dice and a heads/tails coin thrown in though. Most annoyingly however, is no matter how frustrating this is becoming, i can't stop myself wanting to know more and watch it progress, whether i'm in it or not... to that degree, well done FDev.
Did you happen to have any data scanned at site and/or Ram Tah decoder?
Apologies if I'm covering old ground, im reading the thread backwards catching up before bed, but....
Given that we know that the guardians like leaving pictoral diagrams, and adding together some of the ideas I've spotted here I have a vague idea that might be of use to someone building a theory of their own...
The structure, regardless of its purpose, appears to be set out mindful of the sky above it. The correlation between each of the hill areas and the moon rising and setting above it are clearly significant and probably designed to give some indication of "place"
We also have two pyramidal structures, one inside the ruins, one above the larger hill that appear to be significant but are unexplained.
Finally we have 4 towers with bright glowy beacons that must serve some purpose beyond just providing relics and spooking unwary pilots in srv's.
From over head those towers form a tight triangular shape with a fourth point further away.
For a species that appears to think in 3's (or perhaps, 6's) it wouldn't be too odd to assume the towers actually represent a star formation, or triangulation method for locating other sites in a similar way the old voyager gold plates did their best to illustrate how to find earth.
The different size of the hills seems to place specific relevance to when the moon is rising, perhaps indicating a time to look, and the long arm of the hill may then indicate the direction (thought I wouldn't rule out looking out across the wedge shaped plateau to the left) The pyramid structures' then might indicate the position of another object (perhaps the sun?), the locations of the two other sites relative to the constellation indicated by to towers or more simply serve as giant great big arrows serving to illustrate that You (as in the observer on the moon under the external pyramid) are Here (at the location of the 4th star indicated by the towers and pointed at by the other pyramid) in that particular collection of stars as seen from somewhere else...
Really unsure, a d this is tired, late night/early morning fuzzy thinking, but I cant shake the feeling that this is another fdev puzzle we're massively over thinking with our efforts to understand the mechanics behind making obelisks glow, when we're stood on top of a structure that could be a very litteral treasure map to the next point.
Given that we know that the guardians like leaving pictoral diagrams, and adding together some of the ideas I've spotted here I have a vague idea that might be of use to someone building a theory of their own...
The structure, regardless of its purpose, appears to be set out mindful of the sky above it. The correlation between each of the hill areas and the moon rising and setting above it are clearly significant and probably designed to give some indication of "place"
We also have two pyramidal structures, one inside the ruins, one above the larger hill that appear to be significant but are unexplained.
Finally we have 4 towers with bright glowy beacons that must serve some purpose beyond just providing relics and spooking unwary pilots in srv's.
From over head those towers form a tight triangular shape with a fourth point further away.
For a species that appears to think in 3's (or perhaps, 6's) it wouldn't be too odd to assume the towers actually represent a star formation, or triangulation method for locating other sites in a similar way the old voyager gold plates did their best to illustrate how to find earth.
The different size of the hills seems to place specific relevance to when the moon is rising, perhaps indicating a time to look, and the long arm of the hill may then indicate the direction (thought I wouldn't rule out looking out across the wedge shaped plateau to the left) The pyramid structures' then might indicate the position of another object (perhaps the sun?), the locations of the two other sites relative to the constellation indicated by to towers or more simply serve as giant great big arrows serving to illustrate that You (as in the observer on the moon under the external pyramid) are Here (at the location of the 4th star indicated by the towers and pointed at by the other pyramid) in that particular collection of stars as seen from somewhere else...
Really unsure, a d this is tired, late night/early morning fuzzy thinking, but I cant shake the feeling that this is another fdev puzzle we're massively over thinking with our efforts to understand the mechanics behind making obelisks glow, when we're stood on top of a structure that could be a very litteral treasure map to the next point.
I've gotten 28 completions so far and have a lot of all the data. However I was interdicted within 2 jumps after being scanned by a UA. Whether that was the reason or not I have no clue.
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I think ringed brown dwarf stars might have something to do with it. They seem to appear in 'important' systems related to this mystery. I was investigating Pleione, looking for a UA to steal, when I noticed this star's rings and orbit. http://puu.sh/tnPRK/44062626da.png
To me, this looks like the top of the ruins, though I don't see anything else in the system that lines up. At least, not at first glance. Its entirely possible I've missed it, or its in another system. Of note, however, is this star has two landable bodies orbiting it. Entirely possible there is something there, but I don't intend to scour the surface of two planets.
Regardless, I think the ruins are also a pictograph, depicting another star system. Which system, and what body on it, remains to be seen.
To me, this looks like the top of the ruins, though I don't see anything else in the system that lines up. At least, not at first glance. Its entirely possible I've missed it, or its in another system. Of note, however, is this star has two landable bodies orbiting it. Entirely possible there is something there, but I don't intend to scour the surface of two planets.
Regardless, I think the ruins are also a pictograph, depicting another star system. Which system, and what body on it, remains to be seen.
Here's an image with the system next to it
It's hard to tell from the image the exact count so if the upper circle is 2 rings but 4 divots then maybe it's the other stellar body #5 since it has 2 rings and 4 planets. What I find most interesting is that the data mentions their reference to the moon waxing/waning and that the moon cycles directly overhead. Makes me wonder if we can speed up planet searches by identifying a moons orbit and the follow that exact path with a ship. If so that will greatly speed up any searches.
Which one's the moon? :|
http://imgur.com/myPPqp4
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On a slightly different note, I can't find a combination for obelisk C13. The tablet is definitely a part of the combination, but no combination that I can do works. I wonder if there's another artifact somewhere that we have yet to find?
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Do we still not know the exact cause?
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