All Weapons ++ Hull Damage ++ Table

[Truesilver]

STATUS:- THREAD SUPERSEDED. THIS THREAD IS OF HISTORICAL INTEREST ONLY NOW THAT OUTFITTING PROVIDES OFFICIAL FDEV STATS. FOR THE REAL THING, PLEASE SEE MY OFFICIAL DAMAGE STATS THREAD HERE:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/246086-Official-FDev-Damage-Stats-for-Every-Weapon

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Hull Damage Table:-

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WB9irOzHq8p2CR_MQIyx9YbSfkNOFd4qcWritnd6ehQ/edit?usp=sharing



The above table sets out hull damage calculated by reference to Cmdr StarLightBreaker's and Cmdr Pale Night's seminal shield damage thread...

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=140240

... by utilising methodology derived from Cmdr Frenotx's superb piercing thread:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=224474&highlight=frenotx


All comments and corrections welcome.

See you in the black,


TRUESILVER

Adle's Armada
www.inara.cz/wing/336

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EDITS:-

In response to some questions received:

1. DPE

I have calculated this as follows, using the original DPE v shields stats from Cmdr StarLightBreaker’s thread (c2 Plasma Accelerator being the only update). Thanks to Cmdr VoidDancer for helping.

I am not aware of corresponding data for purely kinetic weapons such as Multi-Cannons, Frag Cannons or Cannons, although they do vary; Cannons appear to cause less capacitor drain than Multis, for example.

DPEvH = Damage per weapon capacitor energy usage vs medium ship hull

DPEvS = Damage per weapon capacitor energy usage vs shields

WEAPON	DPEvH	DPEvS
c1 Rail Gun	11.3	9.58
c2 Rail Gun	10.6	8.94
c3 Plasma Accelerator	10.1	7.09
c2 Plasma Accelerator	10.0	7.06
c4 Plasma Accelerator	8.3	5.87
c3 Pulse Laser – fixed	6.3	7.56
c2 Pulse Laser – fixed	6.3	7.56
c3 Burst Laser – fixed	5.9	7.09
c3 Pulse Laser – gimballed	5.1	6.15
c2 Pulse Laser – gimballed	5.1	6.15
c2 Beam Laser – fixed	4.7	5.67
c3 Burst Laser – gimballed	4.7	5.67
c3 Pulse Laser – turreted	4.7	5.67
c2 Pulse Laser – turreted	4.7	5.67
c3 Beam Laser – fixed	4.5	5.37
c3 Burst Laser – turreted	4.3	5.20
c1 Pulse Laser – fixed	4.2	7.56
c1 Burst Laser – fixed	3.9	7.09
c3 Beam Laser – gimballed	3.6	4.30
c2 Beam Laser – gimballed	3.5	4.25
c2 Beam Laser – turreted	3.5	4.25
c1 Pulse Laser – gimballed	3.4	6.15
c3 Beam Laser – turreted	3.4	4.08
c1 Pulse Laser – turreted	3.1	5.67
c1 Burst Laser – gimballed	3.1	5.67
c1 Beam Laser – fixed	3.0	5.37
c1 Burst Laser – turreted	2.6	4.73
c1 Beam Laser – gimballed	2.4	4.25
c1 Beam Laser – turreted	2.4	4.25

Fr34kb0y's spreadsheet, below, was updated on 09/02/2016 to incorporate the DPE figures above. o7, Cmdr.


2. Absence of c2 Bursts / c2 gimballed & turreted Frag Cannons

When Cmdrs StarLightBreaker and Pale Night conducted their research, the c2 Burst Laser (in any variant) did not yet exist in game. This gap was filled subsequently.

Because my table derives from their data, I don't have anything on the c2 Burst Laser. I'm not aware of any subsequent structured testing but you could extrapolate a little from the c1/c2/c3 pulse/beam data.

The original thread does not say why the c2 gimballed and turreted Frag Cannons were omitted.


3. Presentation

A member of my player group has been preparing bar charts and I may edit these in if/when finalised. I would welcome any other visuals / more sophisticated tables and will gladly consider editing them in to this opener. Here are two for starters:-

(i) Cmdr Bilger's spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mfTdgIwKe4zSz_usjKECCxlnPT-b2zmMC6uoyWyeZd4/edit?usp=sharing

(ii) Fr34kb0y's spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BAXyh3CrItdmhaU1OHDvSGTVEqydLoEGWR0E7Fl37XY/pubhtml

For which, thanks both. The above were prepared before my addition of DPE. [Edit 09/02/16:- Fr34kb0y's spreadsheet now incorporating DPE]

(iii) AND with yet more thanks, Cmdr ZMaestro's spreadsheet, which includes his 'build' calculator:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bTV58vKYjSdvM74PwLrxRgUFeegcn-UiWK11cTMfSgQ/edit#gid=1339214070



4. Imperial Hammers and c2 Rails

1st March 2016: Figures for both weapons amended as set out in this thread:-

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=236030&p=3633207#post3633207

 

[M. Grey]

Great work, thx! Have some rep!

 

[CMDR SilverStar_]

Lol, this is something

 

[GilliganTX]

Awesome work. Thank you CMDR.

 

[Lunchmoney]

edit: nevermind, I'm an idiot

 

[Silk]

Very good information that spawned from very good research!

 

[requ1em]

have some rep

 

[IceFire122]

Have some rep, though I believe that simple calculation factors from shield DPS to hull DPS are not telling the full truth here:

Kornelius has put up a nice video showing, that Burst lasers have the best hull DPE. If Kornelius testing was accurate, the hull DPS of a fixed Burst is 1,4 times that of a fixed pulse and your numbers are much closer together. Burst might have some extra damage vs. hulls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR82aPyigMc

 

[VerneAsimov]

Lists of data like this would fit better in a spreadsheet. Add some filters so you can sort it.

 

[r0j]

Really nice sheet. Thanks.

Any chance of adding Damage per energy?

p.s. Tabs on Imperial Hammer are off for me.

 

[The_Tenderizer01]

Woah, no Pacifier Frag Cannon? Or more importantly, Retributor? Minus rep!

(But seriously, nice job. Tried giving rep, but it didn't seem to work. Will try again until it does.)

 

[Sarducar]

Thanks to all the researchers that made this possible.

 

[Alexander the Grape]

Ahh thank you! If you can make a DPE table I will be very grateful indeed

 

[SushiCW]

Are we sure that all "medium" hulls have the same damage modifier for small/medium/large weapons? I'd gotten the impression that it was more granular.

What ship was this actually tested against?

EDIT: Just realized you didn't do direct testing, but basically cross-correlated some other tests. That's great, but I think it would be worth at least some in-game tests to verify that the numbers match up as expected.

Also, nice work.

 

[Lasse B.]

Thanks. This is really helpful.

 

[TheLongShanks]

No Fixed Burst lasers? C2 fixed to be precise?

Otherwise yes well done.

 

[Kzak]

Nice work. But yes, also missing Advanced Plasma Accelerators. Otherwise, the document has lots of good data.

 

[Truesilver]

No Fixed Burst lasers? C2 fixed to be precise?

Hi LongShanks,

Good question: the answer is that when Cmdrs StarLightBreaker and Pale Night did their research, the c2 Burst Laser (in any variant) did not yet exist in game. This gap was filled subsequently.

Because my table derives from their data, I don't have anything on the c2 Burst Laser. I'm not aware of any subsequent structured testing but you could extrapolate a little from the c1/c2/c3 pulse/beam data.

Similarly, I do not know why the c2 gimballed Frag Cannon was omitted (though the answer may be tucked away somewhere in their original thread).

I have also been asked this question on reddit, so I'll edit the OP.

Truesilver

 

[Frenotx]

Have some rep, though I believe that simple calculation factors from shield DPS to hull DPS are not telling the full truth here:

Kornelius has put up a nice video showing, that Burst lasers have the best hull DPE. If Kornelius testing was accurate, the hull DPS of a fixed Burst is 1,4 times that of a fixed pulse and your numbers are much closer together. Burst might have some extra damage vs. hulls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR82aPyigMc

The burst laser damage represented there is a little misleading. While burst lasers are practically better for taking down hulls (as demonstrated in that video), it's not because they intrinsically do more damage to hull than the other lasers. Burst lasers have relatively poor penetration. In that video, the target was rotating / moving around, so many of the shots fired would inadvertently been lined up with modules. Since the pulse and beam lasers have pretty good penetration, several of their shots would have penetrated the hull and hit modules (thus doing very little hull damage, and instead damaged the module hit). Since the burst laser has worse penetration, less of the shots penetrate through and do their damage to modules, and thus a greater percentage of their damage output gets applied to the hull instead.

 

[Abil Midena]

Not sure I believe the rail gun info. My understanding was that rail guns did little hull damage, but penetrated fully for very good module damage.