Am I right in thinking you had to back the kickstarter to have "Jameson" feature in your CMDR name?

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Rafe Zetter said:
Who mentioned money and power? I certainly never did - you're pulling that one out of your proverbial derrier to give credence to your lack of respect when you've already made it clear what you don't respect in reply to my previous comment, and now you're back tracking.

No elite isn't special, it's just another game among millions, and I never claimed it was - so that's another wrong conclusion you're throwing out to shore up a failing arguement - I merely stated that the Jameson name is part of published material and thus is covered by copyright law.

FDev have the rights to sell that under agreement, Microsoft do not. Those are just facts regardless of how you choose to inpret them. FDev won't need to take YOU to court to get it changed if they so choose; you forget FDev and Microsoft are in business together for ED - a simple email from DB to the right counterpart at Micrsoft and you're gamertag gets changed without you, to something generic and a messgae next time you log in asking you to choose something else.

There's no need for drama, just a few keypresses and it's a fait accompli, oh and you'll not get your money back either.

There'll be no courts, no tantrums, no letters or threats to you, it'll just happen.
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Keep dreaming... It won't. Do you actually own an Xbox?
 

LeoBartlet

LeoBartlet
Rafe Zetter said:
Who mentioned money and power? I certainly never did - you're pulling that one out of your proverbial derrier to give credence to your lack of respect when you've already made it clear what you don't respect in reply to my previous comment, and now you're back tracking.

No elite isn't special, it's just another game among millions, and I never claimed it was - so that's another wrong conclusion you're throwing out to shore up a failing arguement - I merely stated that the Jameson name is part of published material and thus is covered by copyright law.

FDev have the rights to sell that under agreement, Microsoft do not. Those are just facts regardless of how you choose to inpret them. FDev won't need to take YOU to court to get it changed if they so choose; you forget FDev and Microsoft are in business together for ED - a simple email from DB to the right counterpart at Micrsoft and you're gamertag gets changed without you, to something generic and a messgae next time you log in asking you to choose something else.

There's no need for drama, just a few keypresses and it's a fait accompli, oh and you'll not get your money back either.

There'll be no courts, no tantrums, no letters or threats to you, it'll just happen.
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So far as I'm aware the name Jameson isn't trade marked/copyright by Frontier or else someone somewhere would have to pay Frontier each and every time the specific name Jameson was used.

Also I highly doubt Microsoft is gonna set a precedent for Frontier and change a persons gamertag simply because it has a fairly common surname in it.

https://www.xboxgamertag.com/

Here have a blast at this and see how many popular copyrighted names have been and are being used by people.
 

Stigbob

Stigbob
How very dare you sully the proud important virile manly name Jameson with your filthy unwashed xbox's. You should all be conscripted sent back in time and forced to fight in the trenches to learn just how very wrong what you've done really is.
 

Jaiotu

Jaiotu
Giving yourself a "Jameson name" isn't something exclusive to XBox. Like I said a few pages back I was able to reset one of my PC game saves to "Gordon Jameson". There is absolutely nothing in the game code that prevents you from selecting the last name of Jameson unless the name you've chosen is already taken. The Kickstarter reward is actually a bit ambiguous and doesn't say anywhere that the name Jameson would be exclusive to those who paid for it. The exact language is this:

Be a “Commander Jameson” - have a reserved commander name* xxxx Jameson (eg Commander Peter Jameson etc) – first come first served on the forenames - plus all rewards above.
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The reward is simply to have the name reserved on your behalf. Anyone who wants to be a CMDR Jameson can do so as long as the forename isn't among those currently in use or reserved during the Kickstarter (unless they are on XBox, in which case their Gamertag is completely under Microsoft's control). Nothing to see here people. Move along.
 
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K M Butler

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In the classic space RPG "Traveller", created in the late '70s, the archetype sample character was named Alexander Lascelles Jameson. That clan gets around.
The copyight squawks remind me of when Games Workshop tried to claim proprietary rights to the term "Space Marines". Big fail.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Un1k0rn said:
Personally I like to sponge off the rich, then get stuff cheap.

They get my thanks. But they don't get my apologies.
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Cheap is very relative

But you have a good reasoning

Yes because they are rich by selling stuff relatively cheap for the poor

Fundamentally I think that the rich have to be grateful to the poor people for being poor, not the opposite

:p
 
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SupremeMorph

SupremeMorph
Un1k0rn said:
Keep dreaming... It won't. Do you actually own an Xbox?
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I think it's surprising to me just how many people who don't own a console actually understand the mechanics of changing your name on there. It's a shockingly small amount, even after we discussed it the other day
 

SupremeMorph

SupremeMorph
Rafe Zetter said:
No I wasn't born - but you know, without them you might be speaking German or Japanese and life would be very different.

Thier sacrifice THEN, means you can live your life as you do NOW. The fact you don't either see that or appreciate it would make most of them think why the did I bother, ungrateful {censored}.

You don't have much respect for anything do you? You don't respect the lore of the game and those that paid a lot of money for it, and clearly don't respect those that died to give you the life you have now.

Unless you lready speak german ofc, whole differnt story then.
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As much as I usually shy away from feeding the trolls... I feel some more detailed clarification is in order, as you have very clearly missed the point

Your argument entirely centers around heritage. You say "my grandfather did this, my ancestor did that" and let me be clear here:I am not disrespecting those accomplishments. The people who fought in the wars were brave individuals, and those who are still with us today make the world a brighter one as a result

But that doesn't mean that you have done anything. What have you done, personally, to earn the respect of anyone here? As far as I can tell, all you've done is made a fool of yourself under the guise of being entitled to it

My family fought in the wars too. That doesn't justify me using that as an argument on a forum about a game about flying around in spaceships. Why should the rules be different for you?

Bottom line: respect is earned, not given. And you, personally, have done nothing to earn my respect
 

Red Anders

Red Anders
Lucas Jameson said:
My family fought in the wars too. That doesn't justify me using that as an argument on a forum about a game about flying around in spaceships.
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I skimmed past the replies that invoked WWI and WWII yesterday but having seen them now, I have to say I'm genuinely amazed.

I'm 47. Pretty much anybody my age will have had a grandparent who fought in WWII or made some other significant contribution to the war effort thanks to conscription and the need to support the home front via air raid wardens, the home guard and the countless thousands of people who worked in munitions factories, shipyards, aircraft factories etc.

Without wishing to turn this into Christopher Walken's monologue from Pulp Fiction, my own grandfather was shot through the lung at Monte Cassino and only lived to see his infant daughter, my mother, thanks to the army treating his infections with large amounts of then relatively new (and pretty expensive) penicillin and he still suffered from serious chest problems for the rest of his life. Sadly you can't thank him personally for his efforts because he woke up one morning when I was five, had a heart attack at the top of the stairs and was dead before he hit the bottom, but any respect due for his service is owed to him, not to me.

It definitely has nothing whatsoever to do with whatever name I may choose to use in a computer game about flying spaceships.
 
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Jaiotu

Jaiotu
Red Anders said:
I'm 47. Pretty much anybody my age will have had a grandparent who fought in WWII or made some other significant contribution to the war effort thanks to conscription and the need to support the home front via air raid wardens, the home guard and the countless thousands of people who worked in munitions factories, shipyards, aircraft factories etc.
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I'm 47. My grandparents weren't much younger than I am now when WWII kicked in so they didn't fight. One grew cotton in Oklahoma during the dust bowl era and beyond while the other helped build the railroads that transported troops and supplies in the United States.

I do have ancestors who fought on both sides of the American Revolutionary War and on both sides of the American Civil War ... so I guess that makes me Karma neutral? ;)
 
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