Am I right in thinking you had to back the kickstarter to have "Jameson" feature in your CMDR name?

[Red Anders]

Now those few players with a legit "Jameson" in thier gamertag have no special meaning any more - and the next Jameson you see, instead knowing it's a player who paid a LOT of money for the priviledge of having that RP lore connection - it's just another dude who paid £8.

Regardless of any other issues concerning Jameson names, who should and shouldn't have them and all the rest of it, if you genuinely need validation from some randoms on the internet knowing you spent £1,500 on the game I'd suggest a period of reflection may be helpful. I mean what reaction are you hoping that it inspires in them? Awe? Gratitude? If I'd have bought that it would be because I wanted it not because I cared what anybody else might think about it, same as anything else I buy.

I can only say that when I'm developing an opinion of someone, the fact they can afford or choose to spend £1,500 on a computer game isn't going to be informing it.

 

[c00ky1970]

Wait... people paid 1500 to for a video game?

Seriously?

If so... lol

Have you heard of Star Citizen??

 

[Winterwalker]

Wait... people paid 1500 to for a video game?

Seriously?

If so... lol

I think you're missing the point a little bit. People paid that to kickstart the game not for a game license alone.

I'd suggest these were people who (a) could afford their enthusiasm and wanted to see it made (b) named commanders / stations allow you to be - for want of expression - immortalised in the stellar forge, something you don't get with an ordinary license and (c) assuming you like the game, which I do, should probably thank them for putting their hands in their pockets, getting the game off the ground in the first place?

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

FDev should charge 8 € for a forum name change, they could run the company from the money they would make from Unicorn… Ala.…Rusal… Un1cOrn … Unik0rn… Un1k0rn …



Have fun with that Jamson surname.

 

[Schmack]

Have you heard of Star Citizen??

Yes, it's a bit like Raxxla I think.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Wait... people paid 1500 to for a video game?

Seriously?

If so... lol

The kickstarter levels went up to £ 5000 and + for spontaneous donations

 

[Rafe Zetter]

There's at least one poster who claims to have spent 10,000 on it.

That would be Liqua - we spoke not so long back and he's throughly disgusted with the whole debacle - hence why we never hear from him anymore.

He also told me when his 3d models finally arrived FOUR YEARS late, one was broken, and the other looked like a carboard cutout, poor quality, and definitly not work almost the £1,000 it cost.

 

[Rafe Zetter]

Regardless of any other issues concerning Jameson names, who should and shouldn't have them and all the rest of it, if you genuinely need validation from some randoms on the internet knowing you spent £1,500 on the game I'd suggest a period of reflection may be helpful. I mean what reaction are you hoping that it inspires in them? Awe? Gratitude? If I'd have bought that it would be because I wanted it not because I cared what anybody else might think about it, same as anything else I buy.

I can only say that when I'm developing an opinion of someone, the fact they can afford or choose to spend £1,500 on a computer game isn't going to be informing it.

red, without those backers, we wouldn't even be having this conversation - and doesn't paint you in a very good light that you can't even recognise that, and instead insinuate they did it for "emo reasons". You wish to talk about "image"? I suggest you look at your avatar - you've chosen the mask of Dr Decker, a deranged serial killer from the film Nightbreed.

It was the early passionate backers who dropped the big bucks at the start, because they had the power to do so and wanted to give the project the best chance they could; that in turn that showed the rest of us with more modest ability that the project had legs and with our help could be a reality; so yes a little gratitude would not demean you in any way, it might even make you look human - heaven forfend.

ONE £10,000 backer is the equivalent of 100 £100 tier or 200, £50 tiers.

You would do well to remember that before going on about how you think they did it for public validation, not everyone is a needy emo - if you had been around on this forum BEFORE the KS was announced you would have seen and talked to those who were "keeping the dream alive" of an Elite 4, and were champing at the bit for one.

Besides which it's a bloody stupid assumption - if someone had £1,500 to burn and needed "validation" do you think they would put it into a game that no-one else would see or some serious real life "bling"?

Unfortunately one of the worst things now is that most of them have left, in disgust.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I think you're missing the point a little bit. People paid that to kickstart the game not for a game license alone.

I'd suggest these were people who (a) could afford their enthusiasm and wanted to see it made (b) named commanders / stations allow you to be - for want of expression - immortalised in the stellar forge, something you don't get with an ordinary license and (c) assuming you like the game, which I do, should probably thank them for putting their hands in their pockets, getting the game off the ground in the first place?

Personally I like to sponge off the rich, then get stuff cheap.

They get my thanks. But they don't get my apologies.

 

[Rafe Zetter]

Come off it, paying extra for a special name in a video game is just a personal choice and they got their special names so the deals done and delivered. It's not like they'll ever meet themselves in game as.

Ofc it's a personal choice - never said it wasn't - what a daft things to say.

The people who bought the Jameson name, didn't do it to look cool, they did it for the exclusivity and RP value.

They did get thier special names - correct, under the EXPLICIT BELIEF that they and THEY ALONE would have the "Jameson" tag.

Sold as an exclusive at great cost, now proven to be anything but.

It's like buying the latest "limited production" Louis Vitton Handbag from a Vitton shop, then a year later seeing the same bag being sold from your local supermarket and finding out the £8 bag is GENUINE.

As far as the legality is concerned - FDev OWN the "Jameson" name - it's copyright protected, check for yourself, as it appears in a publically published novella, and unikorn is using it in THE SAME UNIVERSE that the novella is set in.

They can sell it, but unsanctioned use of it, even via a third party system is still breach of copyright.... and oddly enough copyright laws are WORLD SPANNING.

Unikorn can go on about Microsofts ToS all he likes, but I'm pretty sure those ToS were not written to protect a xbox user from copyright breach of a franchise, while PLAYING that franchise.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Ofc it's a personal choice - never said it wasn't - what a daft things to say.

The people who bought the Jameson name, didn't do it to look cool, they did it for the exclusivity and RP value.

They did get thier special names - correct, under the EXPLICIT BELIEF that they and THEY ALONE would have the "Jameson" tag.

Sold as an exclusive at great cost, now proven to be anything but.

It's like buying the latest "limited production" Louis Vitton Handbag from a Vitton shop, then a year later seeing the same bag being sold from your local supermarket and finding out the £8 bag is GENUINE.

As far as the legality is concerned - FDev OWN the "Jameson" name - it's copyright protected, check for yourself, as it appears in a publically published novella, and unikorn is using it in THE SAME UNIVERSE that the novella is set in.

They can sell it, but unsanctioned use of it, even via a third party system is still breach of copyright.... and oddly enough copyright laws are WORLD SPANNING.

Unikorn can go on about Microsofts ToS all he likes, but I'm pretty sure those ToS were not written to protect a xbox user from copyright breach of a franchise, while PLAYING that franchise.

That's hilarious.

Calm down mate.

It is just a game. None of it is real.

Ofc it's a personal choice - never said it wasn't - what a daft things to say.

The people who bought the Jameson name, didn't do it to look cool, they did it for the exclusivity and RP value.

They did get thier special names - correct, under the EXPLICIT BELIEF that they and THEY ALONE would have the "Jameson" tag.

Sold as an exclusive at great cost, now proven to be anything but.

It's like buying the latest "limited production" Louis Vitton Handbag from a Vitton shop, then a year later seeing the same bag being sold from your local supermarket and finding out the £8 bag is GENUINE.

As far as the legality is concerned - FDev OWN the "Jameson" name - it's copyright protected, check for yourself, as it appears in a publically published novella, and unikorn is using it in THE SAME UNIVERSE that the novella is set in.

They can sell it, but unsanctioned use of it, even via a third party system is still breach of copyright.... and oddly enough copyright laws are WORLD SPANNING.

Unikorn can go on about Microsofts ToS all he likes, but I'm pretty sure those ToS were not written to protect a xbox user from copyright breach of a franchise, while PLAYING that franchise.

By that logic, by the way, any player who had "Jameson" in his Gamertag before ED was even announced... And that's entirely possible, would not be allowed to play until he changes his GT.

You're making yourself look stupid.

 

[Rafe Zetter]

LOL! You're taking a fictional character who doesn't exist very seriously!

I don't care that your family has a coat of arms BTW. I'm not someone who offers respect because you happened to be the child of someone. When you do something for me, then I'll listen.

I'm fairly sure if people are willing to pay £1,500 for the privilege of that name, they are taking it quite seriously too.

We did - we died serving our country in WW1 and WW2, both my mothers family (American) and my fathers (British).

You asked for that and you're welcome.

and BTW Jameson is still a copyright protected character name, that wasn't sold to you under "licence" by FDev.

good luck with that.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I'm fairly sure if people are willing to pay £1,500 for the privilege of that name, they are taking it quite seriously too.

We did - we died serving our country in WW1 and WW2, both my mothers family (American) and my fathers (British).

You asked for that and you're welcome.

and BTW Jameson is still a copyright protected character name, that wasn't sold to you under "licence" by FDev.

good luck with that.

Pulling out the war card eh?

Don't care. This is a game, not real life.

And you clearly don't understand how it works.

Again... What is Frontier going to do about the dude with the name before ED was announced?

I'm fairly sure if people are willing to pay £1,500 for the privilege of that name, they are taking it quite seriously too.

We did - we died serving our country in WW1 and WW2, both my mothers family (American) and my fathers (British).

You asked for that and you're welcome.

and BTW Jameson is still a copyright protected character name, that wasn't sold to you under "licence" by FDev.

good luck with that.

And then there's Harry Potter!

Perhaps I should contact JK Rowling...

 

[Deleted member 110222]

I'm fairly sure if people are willing to pay £1,500 for the privilege of that name, they are taking it quite seriously too.

We did - we died serving our country in WW1 and WW2, both my mothers family (American) and my fathers (British).

You asked for that and you're welcome.

and BTW Jameson is still a copyright protected character name, that wasn't sold to you under "licence" by FDev.

good luck with that.

Also... You yourself didn't die, obviously.

What have you do for me?

 

[Rafe Zetter]

That's hilarious.

Calm down mate.

It is just a game. None of it is real.



By that logic, by the way, any player who had "Jameson" in his Gamertag before ED was even announced... And that's entirely possible, would not be allowed to play until he changes his GT.

You're making yourself look stupid.

1) copyright is real.
2) copyright breach CAN be enforced should the owner so choose.

3) If a player had "jameson" in his gamertag and specifically wanted to play ED, then yes FDev could have requested a name change because it's a COPYRIGHTED NAME in the ED universe - what part of that are you not understanding?

Here's some free education - do you know why at the end of all films etc there are the words "all characters, names and events portayed are ficticious and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely co-incedental"

do YOU know WHY they put that?

SO that they DON'T GET SUED, for defamation, Libel / slander and most importantly ACCIDENTAL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.

and YES sometimes film names and book names have had to be changed because of a copyright infringement that was purley accidental, being noticed and contested before release.

But you go ahead and shove your head someplace and pretend non of that is real.

FDev mighy not choose to pursue it - but if a player who paid for the jameson, contests it, they might have no choice.

Only time will tell.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

1) copyright is real.
2) copyright breach CAN be enforced should the owner so choose.

3) If a player had "jameson" in his gamertag and specifically wanted to play ED, then yes FDev could have requested a name change because it's a COPYRIGHTED NAME in the ED universe - what part of that are you not understanding?

Here's some free education - do you know why at the end of all films etc there are the words "all characters, names and events portayed are ficticious and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely co-incedental"

do YOU know WHY they put that?

SO that they DON'T GET SUED, for defamation, Libel / slander and most importantly ACCIDENTAL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.

and YES sometimes film names and book names have had to be changed because of a copyright infringement that was purley accidental, being noticed and contested before release.

But you go ahead and shove your head someplace and pretend non of that is real.

FDev mighy not choose to pursue it - but if a player who paid for the jameson, contests it, they might have no choice.

Only time will tell.

I very much doubt it.

Anyway dude... Frontier didn't sell me the name. Microsoft did. Take it up with them.

 

[Rafe Zetter]

Also... You yourself didn't die, obviously.

What have you do for me?

No I wasn't born - but you know, without them you might be speaking German or Japanese and life would be very different.

Thier sacrifice THEN, means you can live your life as you do NOW. The fact you don't either see that or appreciate it would make most of them think why the did I bother, ungrateful {censored}.

You don't have much respect for anything do you? You don't respect the lore of the game and those that paid a lot of money for it, and clearly don't respect those that died to give you the life you have now.

Unless you lready speak german ofc, whole differnt story then.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

1) copyright is real.
2) copyright breach CAN be enforced should the owner so choose.

3) If a player had "jameson" in his gamertag and specifically wanted to play ED, then yes FDev could have requested a name change because it's a COPYRIGHTED NAME in the ED universe - what part of that are you not understanding?

Here's some free education - do you know why at the end of all films etc there are the words "all characters, names and events portayed are ficticious and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely co-incedental"

do YOU know WHY they put that?

SO that they DON'T GET SUED, for defamation, Libel / slander and most importantly ACCIDENTAL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT.

and YES sometimes film names and book names have had to be changed because of a copyright infringement that was purley accidental, being noticed and contested before release.

But you go ahead and shove your head someplace and pretend non of that is real.

FDev mighy not choose to pursue it - but if a player who paid for the jameson, contests it, they might have no choice.

Only time will tell.

If you think Elite is special, it isn't.

No revolutionary court cases are coming out of this. No firsts, no drama.

Just suck it up.

No I wasn't born - but you know, without them you might be speaking German or Japanese and life would be very different.

Thier sacrifice THEN, means you can live your life as you do NOW. The fact you don't either see that or appreciate it would make most of them think why the did I bother, ungrateful {censored}.

You don't have much respect for anything do you? You don't respect the lore of the game and those that paid a lot of money for it, and clearly don't respect those that died to give you the life you have now.

Unless you lready speak german ofc, whole differnt story then.

I don't have respect for people like you who think money gives them power.

 

[Red Anders]

red, without those backers, we wouldn't even be having this conversation - and doesn't paint you in a very good light that you can't even recognise that, and instead insinuate they did it for "emo reasons". You wish to talk about "image"? I suggest you look at your avatar - you've chosen the mask of Dr Decker, a deranged serial killer from the film Nightbreed.

It was the early passionate backers who dropped the big bucks at the start, because they had the power to do so and wanted to give the project the best chance they could; that in turn that showed the rest of us with more modest ability that the project had legs and with our help could be a reality; so yes a little gratitude would not demean you in any way, it might even make you look human - heaven forfend.

Looking human? Well we can't be having that can we? Props for recognising the avatar though.

You seem to assume from my post that I'm not grateful for the fact that some people with the disposable income to do so backed the game but that's not the case at all. Even leaving aside the fact that every one of them backed the game so they could play it. The fact I can now also buy and play it is a consequence of that, which is why I am in fact pleased that they did it, but it wasn't the motivator for their decision.

I'll tell you what you did wrong there Rafe - you made an inference about my opinions from my post. The post wasn't about my opinions to begin with, it was about yours as specifically expressed in the post I quoted.. If you ever want to know my opinion about something by the way you don't need to try to work it out, just ask.

ONE £10,000 backer is the equivalent of 100 £100 tier or 200, £50 tiers.

I'm a tax officer, I can do maths.

You would do well to remember that before going on about how you think they did it for public validation, not everyone is a needy emo - if you had been around on this forum BEFORE the KS was announced you would have seen and talked to those who were "keeping the dream alive" of an Elite 4, and were champing at the bit for one.

Yeah but I didn't say anything about 'backers' as a group Rafe. What I did was quote your post, this one:

Now those few players with a legit "Jameson" in thier gamertag have no special meaning any more - and the next Jameson you see, instead knowing it's a player who paid a LOT of money for the priviledge of having that RP lore connection - it's just another dude who paid £8.

in which you literally say that an issue for you is people in the game not being able to tell whether someone is a big-spending kickstarter backer any more, or just a lowly eight quid scrub . If that's not a desire for public recognition and validation, what is it? I mean I'm not trying to ride you about this but all I did was read your post and reply to it; I've not edited it or quoted it out of context. Again, don't try to infer or extrapolate wider points, just read the words I wrote on the screen. If you want to know what I think about kickstarter backers as a group, ask me.

Besides which it's a bloody stupid assumption - if someone had £1,500 to burn and needed "validation" do you think they would put it into a game that no-one else would see or some serious real life "bling"?

I expect a lot would do both if they have sufficient income and not differentiate between the two. For example https://robertsspaceindustries.com/ If a person needs validation (which is by no means a character trait exclusive to the poor and emos by the way, some of the most driven individuals in human history have ultimately been driven by a need for validation from their families and/or peers) they can get it from one source when their neighbour watches them park up in their Audi R8 and another when they're lauded as a whale in a community like the one I linked; it's the same emotional payoff regardless of the trigger.

Unfortunately one of the worst things now is that most of them have left, in disgust.

I don't particularly want to see people leave the game or feel ripped off unless they've given me some reason to dislike them intensely so yeah, that's a shame.

 

[Rafe Zetter]

If you think Elite is special, it isn't.

No revolutionary court cases are coming out of this. No firsts, no drama.

Just suck it up.


I don't have respect for people like you who think money gives them power.

Who mentioned money and power? I certainly never did - you're pulling that one out of your proverbial derrier to give credence to your lack of respect when you've already made it clear what you don't respect in reply to my previous comment, and now you're back tracking.

No elite isn't special, it's just another game among millions, and I never claimed it was - so that's another wrong conclusion you're throwing out to shore up a failing arguement - I merely stated that the Jameson name is part of published material and thus is covered by copyright law.

FDev have the rights to sell that under agreement, Microsoft do not. Those are just facts regardless of how you choose to inpret them. FDev won't need to take YOU to court to get it changed if they so choose; you forget FDev and Microsoft are in business together for ED - a simple email from DB to the right counterpart at Micrsoft and you're gamertag gets changed without you, to something generic and a messgae next time you log in asking you to choose something else.

There's no need for drama, just a few keypresses and it's a fait accompli, oh and you'll not get your money back either.

There'll be no courts, no tantrums, no letters or threats to you, it'll just happen.