Am I the only person who is utterly unenthused right now about a generic FPS being shoehorned into my spaceship game?

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Who knows, maybe you'll be able to push annoying passengers into fumeroles?
If while stopped at a site seeing mission surface location, I could drag all the passengers out then make a display of steaming a demanding one over a fumerole before asking if anyone else would like for me to acquire them 1 ton of consumer technology, well then I'm not sure I would ever stop doing passenger missions.
 
If while stopped at a site seeing mission surface location, I could drag all the passengers out then make a display of steaming a demanding one over a fumerole before asking if anyone else would like for me to acquire them 1 ton of consumer technology, well then I'm not sure I would ever stop doing passenger missions.
That sounds an awful lot like Kuhmo style BBQ.
 
There are guys where it feels like it’s a burnt bridge though, and they just like watching the flames ;). (And signs of an actual uptick in support seems to somehow annoy :rolleyes:. Maybe because it’s like: 'Now you do this?' for them? Or they’re just keeping hopes super low or whatever.)

Yeah. This is because what those people need are a really strong release of patch to turn the ship the right way. Without the patch, i can imagine that being annoying. It would come across as looking for any excuse to compliment something when there isn't one yet.

Not the exact word, nah. But I’ve seen a ton of posters (here and Reddit) convinced that no PDLCs of any note would come post-Horizons, that all FDev’s focus was permanently on other titles, and that the game was essentially at the maintenance-then-death stage. The 'doom' meme works fine for them ;)

Well, thats just not true. You can't take that seriously. Im guessing the white knights that go fight those battles just look stupid when they apply the same attitude to more rational discussion. eg, in this thread instead of suggesting "we're all waiting for frontier to do elite justice just to industry standards", people reply "everythings perfect la la la la" which is worse.

It was quite telling there was period of 3-6 months where the white knights just weren't around. The same topics came up, but they were all civil, everyone agreed to the honest state of the issue, and 2 pages of posts later the point was forgotten (because frontier has to do the work). Now 72 pages. Not a joke.. this always happens.
 
hm, it might be possible, depends most likely on how the hangar is instanced or if it is instanced at all.
With the new physical multicrew, I think it’s going to be very possible - but will the requirement be “in a Wing/Crew” to be able to enter the hangar? That’s a very good point you make about instancing - will the Social Hub lounge only cover those whose ships are in that instance (plus the purely on-foot players) or will it try to encompass more CMDRs?

We’ve been told we’ll be able to see other players landing, so there’s got to be a limit somewhere.

Hopefully it also means the Station “judder” (visible when using the external camera) has been solved.
 
With the new physical multicrew, I think it’s going to be very possible - but will the requirement be “in a Wing/Crew” to be able to enter the hangar? That’s a very good point you make about instancing - will the Social Hub lounge only cover those whose ships are in that instance (plus the purely on-foot players) or will it try to encompass more CMDRs?

We’ve been told we’ll be able to see other players landing, so there’s got to be a limit somewhere.

Hopefully it also means the Station “judder” (visible when using the external camera) has been solved.
They could use multicrew for that purpose. And the way multicrew works now, or actually it doesnt... I hope they come with an elegant solution.
 
I really dislike the visuals of no man's sky.
The visuals of NMS are an aesthetic choice, Fdevs version needn't copy the cartoonish style.
Only up to Page 60 so apologies if this has already been said, but...

You know what would have made me enthusiastic about adding a first person shooter component to my* space game? EVA combat... not including zero g shootouts to differentiate from a billion other shooters out there shows how Fdev half <redacted> everything!

* Yea, I said my space game!

PS Love FPS's personally so not hating on the mechanic but when Fdev say Odyssey will be everything in Horizons combined in one DLC (all two years worth) - I'm just not seeing it, unless it's like an iceberg and they've literally just showed us the tip of what's coming (which I find hard to believe after seeing all their previous announcements / output).
 
You know what would have made me enthusiastic about adding a first person shooter component to my* space game? EVA combat... not including zero g shootouts to differentiate from a billion other shooters out there shows how Fdev half <redacted> everything!
I would love some EVA zero-G action - I still occasionally play Shattered Horizon and certain campaign missions from Infinite Warfare - but boots-on-the-ground FPS is going to pull in a lot more punters.

There’s a reason the multiplayer component (the most popular part of the game) of CoD IW didn’t feature any zero-G levels. I would hope ED players would be more used to 6 DoF combat, but I can see why FDev have gone planetside first, with SpaceLegs to (hopefully) follow.
 
"we're all waiting for frontier to do elite justice just to industry standards",

That bar is something someone just arbitrarily made up to show it doesn't "meet" it, it's not real in any way.

The primary metrics Frontier care about is how much money it made and how many people play it and by those basic standards, it's a resounding success.

In fact its so successful that the forums are perpetually filled with people who care so much about it they complain that it's not better than it is.


If it was really not up to par (whatever people belive that par to be) , these forums would have been empty years ago.
 
That bar is something someone just arbitrarily made up to show it doesn't "meet" it, it's not real in any way.

The primary metrics Frontier care about is how much money it made and how many people play it and by those basic standards, it's a resounding success.

In fact its so successful that the forums a perpetually filled with people who care so much about it they complain that it's not better than it is.


If it was really not up to par (whatever people belive that par to be) , these forums would have been empty years ago.

Yes, that's obviously what frontier are doing, min maxing the MVP.. but if we accept that the only option is to stop caring.

Regardless of how we personally handle it though, the fact that anyone can see this clearly somewhat denies their ticket to loving adoration and white knight fawning from their fans? How you could know that from years of experience receiving patches and still white knight them?

That's the root of the difference between me and the white knights, im sure.
 
The fine print I agreed with stated I could end up with nothing at all. Here I am, 7 years later still playing the same game.
Crowdfunding for videos games is a very bad idea in my opinion. It removes the greatest incentive for a developer and apparently allows them to get paid for doing nothing at all. Stopped that mug's game a couple of years ago.
 
Yes, that's obviously what frontier are doing, min maxing the MVP.. but if we accept that the only option is to stop caring.
Why the artificial binary choice? Do you really think that reflects reality?

How you could know that from years of experience receiving patches and still white knight them?
I`m sure painting the world in (literal) black and white makes it easier to deal with, but it's not a particularly satisfying conclusion to come to, and certainly doesn't help if the objective is to get a better understanding of things.
 
Live and learn. No mans sky wasn't crowed funded and its finished. I hear its awesome.
Indeed, if you avoided the hype and watched some game play videos, you could see what you were really getting at launch. You could and I did. And it's been regularly updated for free since launch. Are you sure you really want to run with this comparison?
 
Why the artificial binary choice? Do you really think that reflects reality?


I`m sure painting the world in (literal) black and white makes it easier to deal with, but it's not a particularly satisfying conclusion to come to, and certainly doesn't help if the objective is to get a better understanding of things.

Yes i do. I think the reality is exactly what you said, frontier are looking at their dollar profits and metrics and balancing how much they spend on development, of course spending the least because it would be a waste for them otherwise. What were you thinking they are doing?

Im not sure i get what you're saying, what could i be missing?
 
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