An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging

[Gunnet]

My pleasure, believe me. When I play on steam servers, there's a reason I check the "VAC Secured" option, it's the same reason I won't be investing any more time or money into ED and will discourage anybody else from wasting their precious time and money on it also.

This community is a disgrace to gaming.

Will you start campaigning for Valve to start issuing VAC bans to people who disconnect during games?

 

[Steve O B Have]

That's fair enough. It's not the aspect that I've been addressing on account of the clear self interest from the OP. They aren't talking about logging as a broken rule. They could give a damn about that. They are talking about having their ganking frustrated by those who won't play along.

Accepted and that's why I'd lean toward contextualizing the behavior. Make it an actual part of the game to utilise that kind of gameplay but not without a form of punishment. If piracy is your thing then you live the life of a pirate. I have yet to flesh out the advantages of the lifestyle in my head but I'd have though something along the lines of career specific ships and hardware plus perhaps a black market for resources and hard to find items. Ultimately something like a mechanic where you can hijack a ship, steal it, tow it back to the pirate base/asteroid and strip it for parts to be sold cheap. Of course buying stripped parts and ships means that you're liable for scans and repairs not being able to be executed within Fed/Imp etc stations.

 

[Sole Hunter]

And as regards the pointless seal clubbing cases in question (interdicting and destroying someone for no in game reason/benefit)? It of course sounds so very noble and defendable when you explain why? - Because they enjoy upsetting other people...

Why are you so pushing so hard to defend such a toxic activity? Of course perfectly "genuine" gameplay can suffer (eg: real piracy), but in my experience it's few and far between.



Let's have a proper crime and punishment system introduced, then revisit this topic. Please let's not waste valuable time and effort worrying about seal clubbers. There's far far more important concerns.

We do not discriminate cmdrs based on their ship size or colors, we kill everything including big giant anacondas and small sidewinders with railguns.

A mature, decently written response. Rather unexpected.
Fair enough.


It is assumed, because you advertised yourself as SDC and others in this thread(as well as OP) have as well, that this is an SDC matter.

What I, and others, have been saying is that that the Original Post has the potential to turn the community sour. In this case, it did. Many members of the community, myself included, are angry with FDev, angry with each other, and hate the SDC ten times more than they originally did(personally, I had no feelings towards your group either way, prior to this post). Posts like the OP can have far reaching and unexpected consequences.
Canonn Discord and ED Discord servers just had a weird, and hilarious, bit of drama over nothing, but some, if not all, of Canonns and Admin and Mod teams are banned from the ED Discord. Is this incident directly tied to this post and SDC? Absolutely not, but it is tied to the overall sour mood this community has taken. Which, in turn, is a result of the original post.
I'm no more blaming SDC than FDev in this case, but maybe you should have just left you experiment buried, at least for the time being.
I don't think solving Combat logging faster was worth the *h*tstorm that is following.
note: The issue of combat logging has not been solved. All you got was a response from FDev.

This is just my personal take on events, based on my observations before, during, and after the posting of the OP.

I suggest you to check Sundae original posts, i can't remember what page it's on but he clearly explained what was the intention behind the post and why so many people are oblivious or fail to see the point behind the OP.

 

[Asp Explorer]

We do not play the BGS nor have any interest in powerplay or wolfberg. A now, disgruntled ex-member of SDC originally asked frontier to put SDC in the game as a faction without our knowledge. The same reason we do not have a website nor publicly do recruitment, we have no interest in such thing's.

Our home are the CG's and where ever PVP take place.

And many players have no interest in SDC

 

[Sole Hunter]

Explain what is legitimate about trolling noob systems in combat modded ships picking off 1000cr sideys, infiltrating PVE groups and blasting guys who are A. not expecting it because its a PVE only group and B. can't fight back or they will get themselves kicked for fighting? The last group of boners that crashed the gate were blasting ships that were unoccupied and sitting on the ground with their CMDRs in their SRVs F-F-S! Blasting unarmed explorers? Blasting unarmed freighters without scans or a demand for cargo? What's legit about that? News flash chief there's nothing legit about any of that. While trolling noobs and what not isn't against the rules its certainly not sporting and adds zero value to the game. However, crashing PGs and violating the rules of the group is against the rules but lets ignore that little nugget because now someone is spoiling your fun and after all thats they only thing that matters. This is called - Hypocrisy.

Its actions such as these which your group prides itself on that make a large portion of the community and perhaps even FDev either take issue with or completely ignore your latest hypocritical [there's that word again] whining crusade. You may even have valid points but your reputation precedes you and you guys did that to yourselves. You made your bed but don't want to lie in it now because its hard and uncomfortable but perhaps now you see that what comes around does indeed go around... who am I kidding, no way that's gonna happen.

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Yep same here. Everything is fine until I go into a CZ or RES that's got a lot of CMDRs in it especially if I'm winged up.

Trolling ? We simply delivered lazer pew pew to their ship, this is what we do, we kill cmdrs.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Trolling ? We simply delivered lazer pew pew to their ship, this is what we do, we kill cmdrs.

and fill lulzbuckets galore

 

[Ozram]

We do not play the BGS nor have any interest in powerplay or wolfberg. A now, disgruntled ex-member of SDC originally asked frontier to put SDC in the game as a faction without our knowledge. The same reason we do not have a website nor publicly do recruitment, we have no interest in such thing's.

Our home are the CG's and where ever PVP take place.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're saying is you do not like anything in the game but shooting fish in a barrel? There's no blockade, just a desire to disturb other players who do enjoy the social aspects of the game by shooting at ships that can't possibly fight back? That's what it sounds like.

As a C&P shakeup, I'd suggest large bounties on destroying player ships with clean records and that those bounties be tied to the player, not his or her ship. No timer, the bounty has to be paid, end of story and if the perpetrator looses his or her ship than they have to square out their debts at the rebuy screen. It would provide a genuine risk for ganking as a habit. I'd have a lot more respect for gankers if they actually ran some risk. Right now it's just dastardly behaviour; cowardice intertwined with cruelty (and interestingly, no in game gains, monetary or role play).

 

[Sole Hunter]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're saying is you do not like anything in the game but shooting fish in a barrel? There's no blockade, just a desire to disturb other players who do enjoy the social aspects of the game by shooting at ships that can't possibly fight back? That's what it sounds like.

As a C&P shakeup, I'd suggest large bounties on destroying player ships with clean records and that those bounties be tied to the player, not his or her ship. No timer, the bounty has to be paid, end of story and if the perpetrator looses his or her ship than they have to square out their debts at the rebuy screen. It would provide a genuine risk for ganking as a habit. I'd have a lot more respect for gankers if they actually ran some risk. Right now it's just dastardly behaviour; cowardice intertwined with cruelty (and interestingly, no in game gains, monetary or role play).

Correct, we kill everything, we also kill our own members when there's nothing left to shoot. We simply like to shoot internet pixel space ships, is there an agenda behind some of the stuff we do ? of course ... we never denied it. However, do not be mistaken, SDC members have no allegiance, we are not loyal to each others in the proper sense, we fly in small groups and kill for pleasure. The only time we do not end up shooting each others is when we agree to fight in CG's or other events. Call it gentlemen agreement or w/e. It's also not uncommon to see SDC members flying for other groups.

If you dont kill clean commanders then disregard the following:

It's pretty easy to accept the [lack of] consequences for killing a clean commander in this game. Suicidewinder. Fly to a different solar system. Done. No record. No nothing.

Do you find the consequences for killing a clean commander unacceptable? If so, do you still do what you find to be unacceptable?

I find the lack of C&P here in ED unacceptable.

We attack cmdrs, no matter what they fly. Killing a sidewinder is acceptable and within the game rules. Everything is permitted in open, does that make me a scum in this game ? Yes probably, I am evil.

 

[Vacendak]

Trolling ? We simply delivered lazer pew pew to their ship, this is what we do, we kill cmdrs.

Not trolling at all. Merely pointing out just how hypocritical you guys making such a grandiose display about CMDRs breaking rules really is. Judging by your puerile response I see that I've made my point.

 

[Ozram]

Correct, we kill everything, we also kill our own members when there's nothing left to shoot. We simply like to shoot internet pixel space ships, is there an agenda behind some of the stuff we do ? of course ... we never denied it. However, do not be mistaken, SDC members have no allegiance, we are not loyal to each others in the proper sense, we fly in small groups and kill for pleasure. The only time we do not end up shooting each others is when we agree to fight in CG's or other events. Call it gentlemen agreement or w/e. It's also not uncommon to see SDC members flying for other groups.



We attack cmdrs, no matter what they fly. Killing a sidewinder is acceptable and within the game rules. Everything is permitted in open, does that make me a scum in this game ? Yes probably, I am evil.

I find your honnesty refreshing. I already repped your previous post or I'd rep this one as well.

What do you think of my particular C&P suggestion?

 

[Steve O B Have]

Correct, we kill everything, we also kill our own members when there's nothing left to shoot. We simply like to shoot internet pixel space ships, is there an agenda behind some of the stuff we do ? of course ... we never denied it. However, do not be mistaken, SDC members have no allegiance, we are not loyal to each others in the proper sense, we fly in small groups and kill for pleasure. The only time we do not end up shooting each others is when we agree to fight in CG's or other events. Call it gentlemen agreement or w/e. It's also not uncommon to see SDC members flying for other groups.



We attack cmdrs, no matter what they fly. Killing a sidewinder is acceptable and within the game rules. Everything is permitted in open, does that make me a scum in this game ? Yes probably, I am evil.

Which is great - and I think it should be introduced as an element of gameplay. You be pirates and you like to watch the world burn. I think it would be epic if it were a legit part of gameplay as it would bring another element of life and depth to the universe. At the moment it's just kids running around that "simply like to shoot internet pixel space ships". Make it a thing rather than complaining about it.

 

[Sole Hunter]

I find your honnesty refreshing. I already repped your previous post or I'd rep this one as well.

What do you think of my particular C&P suggestion?

It's not bad.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Correct, we kill everything, we also kill our own members when there's nothing left to shoot. We simply like to shoot internet pixel space ships, is there an agenda behind some of the stuff we do ? of course ... we never denied it. However, do not be mistaken, SDC members have no allegiance, we are not loyal to each others in the proper sense, we fly in small groups and kill for pleasure. The only time we do not end up shooting each others is when we agree to fight in CG's or other events. Call it gentlemen agreement or w/e. It's also not uncommon to see SDC members flying for other groups.



We attack cmdrs, no matter what they fly. Killing a sidewinder is acceptable and within the game rules. Everything is permitted in open, does that make me a scum in this game ? Yes probably, I am evil.

Have you considered the possibility that you have now opened up yourselves to ridicule and that people will combat log on you on sight - just to fill their own lulzbuckets and be amused by the prospect of SDC throwing fits of purest RAEG on the internet?

I've got a spare account, a spare PC, and a few open networks in the neighbourhood The thought of giving such player groups absolute fits of entitlement is certainly amusing, but quite frankly, they are not important enough to waste time on.

 

[Sole Hunter]

Which is great - and I think it should be introduced as an element of gameplay. You be pirates and you like to watch the world burn. I think it would be epic if it were a legit part of gameplay as it would bring another element of life and depth to the universe. At the moment it's just kids running around that "simply like to shoot internet pixel space ships". Make it a thing rather than complaining about it.

ah you see, finally someone who reads between the lines. This is a very common feeling among SDC members, we feel like Elite is bland, as wide as an ocean, but as deep as a puddle. A mile wide but an inch deep. We wish we could have a bigger impact on the shape of the galaxy with each and every cmdr we kill. Call it crime and punishment or w/e but you are right.

We want real driven content with consequences.

Have you considered the possibility that you have now opened up yourselves to ridicule and that people will combat log on you on sight - just to fill their own lulzbuckets and be amused by the prospect of SDC throwing fits of purest RAEG on the internet?

I've got a spare account, a spare PC, and a few open networks in the neighbourhood The thought of giving such player groups absolute fits of entitlement is certainly amusing, but quite frankly, they are not important enough to waste time on.

That would be unwise, we always record (99.99% of the time) and report cheaters.

 

[Javert]

I suggest you to check Sundae original posts, i can't remember what page it's on but he clearly explained what was the intention behind the post and why so many people are oblivious or fail to see the point behind the OP.

OK, well FD have responded officially to your post and apologised for not addressing your tickets correctly.

Therefore perhaps you would like to close the thread now and then you can conduct another investigation in a month or two and see if you get the same result. The problem is, you may find that your alt accounts don't get banned, but FD comes back and says "Your tickets were investigated according to our procedures. We cannot make any further comment".

This actually brings up an interesting question - have any of your alt accounts been banned or have you received any direct warnings since you brought this to FD's attention in this thread? See, even if the tickets were handled correctly, it doesn't necessarily mean that your accounts would've been banned since we don't know the threshold or number of incidents needed to trigger that.

But in any case, if you want this thread to only be about FD's mistake in not dealing with your tickets correctly, you can ask Brett C to close the thread, then open another one later on if you find further issues?

I'm sure there are other threads to discuss combat logging in general, so I'm sure this thread can be closed now if the OP requests it.

 

[StuartGT]

Found the CG in 17 Draconis.

Game went to a black screen about 20 minutes into the killing. I was forced to eventually kill the ED task.

By any chance using a factory-overclocked GeForce, for example an EVGA Superclocked GTX 970?

 

[Sole Hunter]

OK, well FD have responded officially to your post and apologised for not addressing your tickets correctly.

Therefore perhaps you would like to close the thread now and then you can conduct another investigation in a month or two and see if you get the same result. The problem is, you may find that your alt accounts don't get banned, but FD comes back and says "Your tickets were investigated according to our procedures. We cannot make any further comment".

This actually brings up an interesting question - have any of your alt accounts been banned or have you received any direct warnings since you brought this to FD's attention in this thread? See, even if the tickets were handled correctly, it doesn't necessarily mean that your accounts would've been banned since we don't know the threshold or number of incidents needed to trigger that.

But in any case, if you want this thread to only be about FD's mistake in not dealing with your tickets correctly, you can ask Brett C to close the thread, then open another one later on if you find further issues?

I'm sure there are other threads to discuss combat logging in general, so I'm sure this thread can be closed now if the OP requests it.

I'm going to dodge the first question.

I'm not original poster, PM rinzler0707 or ryan_m.

I like this thread, it's fun.

and fill lulzbuckets galore

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[Asp Explorer]

That would be unwise, we always record (99.99% of the time) and report cheaters.

And I'd be recording and reporting too

 

[Stigbob]

When it comes to what is and isn't cheating, opinion doesn't count for jack. Combat logging is an effective invincibility hack and is against the ToS as defined by Frontier Developments. The only opinion that counts here is FD's and if they don't want ED to remain a hive of cheaters, they need to take some action.

Your right opinion counts for nothing yours carries exactly the same weight as mine, in the context of this thread some people are of the opinion that disconnects are combat logging. Those people are wrong, they'll always be wrong. Nobody cares beyond a few whinging gankers trying to inflate one issue above more serious ones to further their own extremely transparent agenda.

We do not play the BGS nor have any interest in powerplay or wolfberg. A now, disgruntled ex-member of SDC originally asked frontier to put SDC in the game as a faction without our knowledge. The same reason we do not have a website nor publicly do recruitment, we have no interest in such thing's.

Our home are the CG's and where ever PVP take place.

Of course you don't play the BGS anymore we ground your faction into the dirt and it was removed from the game. You haven't got a power to support anymore, let alone a station. FD offered to reinstate your faction after all the salty tears and you declined, as you were scared the same people who'd trounced you once already were happy to do it again.

You were right to be scared, we will do it again if you man up and join the game instead of hiding where the nasty carebears can't pick on you.

 

[JuicerPrime]

All they need to do is not cheat. Why is that so difficult for some of you to grasp? I can't believe how low this community actually is. It is, by far, the single worst gaming community I've ever come across. People here stand in defence of cheating. What the actual ?

A flaky internet connection is not cheating, but it is an issue for all concerned if the user is trying to engage in multiplayer and it conks out on them. That is something people might have to deal with. I did not mention cheating or its defence.

As for worst gaming community, let's see. War of the Roses is arguably worse. I hear LoL and DOTA 2's are also pretty bad. Here it's recently become PvP'ers and PvE'ers trolling each other on the forums, and even that's a recent thing. Have a wander around the net, there's very likely worse to find out there.