An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging

[Sole Hunter]

Folk like SDC create situation where players feel the need to combat log so they still enjoy the game, they then complain about it continuing the griefing into the support system. FDev ignore it.

Which is more important? The vast majority enjoying the game or a handful being right?

Factually they may be in the wrong, but practically speaking they could well be very right.

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was that meant to be ego?

Deep inside of us, we want the game to succeed. You don't stay silent if you see a problem in the system, you voice it and try to improve it. We want Fdev to improve the game but if they can't enforce simple rules and investigate properly then why should we respect those rules in the first place or have them in place when they clearly don't care and/or work?

Maybe we should all start cheating? because obviously they don't care that much and it wouldn't really hurt the game. Of course it will hurt the game if everybody cheat, the whole point behind this post was to get frontier to do something about the biggest problem in the game. Cheating is a serious issue and it can end a game life cycle pretty fast.

When a developer shows they don't care.... it's no good for the game future.

 

[Sanderson]

Deep inside of us, we want the game to succeed. You don't stay silent if you see a problem in the system, you voice it and try to improve it. We want Fdev to improve the game but if they can't enforce simple rules and investigate properly then why should we respect those rules in the first place or have them in place when they clearly don't care?

Maybe we should all start cheating? because obviously they don't care that much and it wouldn't really hurt the game. Of course it will hurt the game if everybody cheat, the whole point behind this post was to get frontier to do something about the biggest problem in the game. Cheating is a serious issue and can end a game life cycle pretty fast.

Combat logging is the biggest problem in the game? Are. You. Serious?

 

[Sole Hunter]

Combat logging is the biggest problem in the game? Are. You. Serious?

Well P2P and Combat logging are definitely the two biggest issue in the game. I'd say gameplay and missions are probably right behind that, the game is still playable but combat logging and peer 2 peer is a pretty big deal. It's also one of the most discussed subject among PVP'ers and the #1 running gag/meme in Elite in my experience people always talk about combat loggers. Definitely the biggest flaw in the game in my opinion.

 

[Asp Explorer]

Well P2P and Combat logging are definitely the two biggest issue in the game. I'd say gameplay and missions are probably right behind that, the game is still playable but combat logging and peer 2 peer is a pretty big deal. It's also one of the most discussed subject among PVP'ers and the #1 running gag/meme in Elite in my experience people always talk about combat loggers. Definitely the biggest flaw in the game in my opinion.

Surely there must be someone amongst your PVP'er friends who has realworld networking architecture and implementation experience?

 

[Lustan]

Cheating is a serious issue and it can end a game life cycle pretty fast.

The issue has been in the game for 2 years and it's done well enough. Go be dramatic on reddit.

 

[Mr_Foxhound]

The killing player misses out on the bounty payment, cargo drop, and rank increase. Not to mention satisfaction.

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I'm aware.. but principle prevents me from ever giving that company another penny until their behavior seriously changes.

killing other players pvp dose not give you a rank increase

 

[Moritz Norman]

killing other players pvp dose not give you a rank increase

Pretty sure that was fixed a patch or two back.

 

[Karunamon]

killing other players pvp dose not give you a rank increase

..I should have known. Shows how much PvP I do (read: none). Given the proclivities of some of the people here, that's not quite surprising, since there'd be nothing stopping an elite from giving free kills to his buddies to help smurf ranks.

The other things stand, though.

 

[xdeath]

..I should have known. Shows how much PvP I do (read: none). Given the proclivities of some of the people here, that's not quite surprising, since there'd be nothing stopping an elite from giving free kills to his buddies to help smurf ranks.

The other things stand, though.

This issue was fixed, before 2.2 if I recall correctly.

Goes to show how people can jump the gun simply on another posters word alone.

g SDC, as it turns out that is who OP is, are playing with g fire, and they are burning themselves and the community to the g ground.

 

[killerofstars]

I have to feel that combat logging is something that gankers primarily complain about.

To be honest, if someone tried to jump me with an entire wing wanting an easy kill, I'd combat log too.

There are plenty of perfectly honest duels, or people getting into it in combat zones online.

 

[Sole Hunter]

This issue was fixed, before 2.2 if I recall correctly.

Goes to show how people can jump the gun simply on another posters word alone.

g SDC, as it turns out that is who OP is, are playing with g fire, and they are burning themselves and the community to the g ground.

The only people burning right now is Fdev for their inactions and lies. Combat logging will result in an increase after this post, a significant increase in reports and support will be overloaded.

That's on them, not us.

 

[Gunnet]

Everything we do in SDC is done in such a way that we know what is going to happen, we know the results of our actions and what is to come.

Combat logging will result in an increase after this post, a significant increase in reports and support will be overloaded.

Looking at those two statements together, are you stating that this exercise was carried out with the deliberate goals of encouraging people to combat log (which I assume you consider cheating) and disrupting the ability of Frontier to provide support to its customers?

 

[Charles Erika von Hackbeil]

Do you still do not understand how ED is working? After all the time you played it? Really?


It´s not an Arena game, because if someone else is here too doesn´t mean they are ready for combat. You guys take the whole thing out of proportion. There is no reasoning behind your attacks, you don not use the areas provided for it by the game.

And then you get upset about other players, who deny to play with you? Have you ever understood this as a message? Like others don´t want to share their game with you? They don´t want to be attacked by a wing of four in their Asp, for example. Or get a speeding ticket by a certain commander @ Jameson Memorial.... you know, this is gameplay. CL seems like a proper answer to it. Ask yourself, how much you contributed to the actual situation.

Open is not what you want it to be. It´s not an "everything goes" area. And it´s definitely not yours alone. You have to share it. And by doing that, you have to accept others playing the game differently. It will never become the PvP game you wish, so save your energy for something useful.

OP is dirty campaigning. Not the way to go.

 

[Itaki]

In this instance, it will be by publicising our findings to relevant media sites until Frontier decides to take action.

Lulz.

 

[Sanderson]

I haven't heard so much drama since my daughter found out another girl was wearing the same dress she was.

 

[Frijaz]

Do you still do not understand how ED is working? After all the time you played it? Really?


It´s not an Arena game, because if someone else is here too doesn´t mean they are ready for combat. You guys take the whole thing out of proportion. There is no reasoning behind your attacks, you don not use the areas provided for it by the game.

And then you get upset about other players, who deny to play with you? Have you ever understood this as a message? Like others don´t want to share their game with you? They don´t want to be attacked by a wing of four in their Asp, for example. Or get a speeding ticket by a certain commander @ Jameson Memorial.... you know, this is gameplay. CL seems like a proper answer to it. Ask yourself, how much you contributed to the actual situation.

Open is not what you want it to be. It´s not an "everything goes" area. And it´s definitely not yours alone. You have to share it. And by doing that, you have to accept others playing the game differently. It will never become the PvP game you wish, so save your energy for something useful.

OP is dirty campaigning. Not the way to go.

It literally is an everything goes area, sorry to burst your bubble. If you intend to combat log to avoid the consequences of being in open, please go to mobius or switch to solo. The main issue here is that frontier is neglecting something, who knows what the next thing is? It miht be something you care about, and we definitely won't be there to help you then.

OP is spot on, the us or them mentality reigning here against PvP groups hurting their feelings to the point of breaking ToS is so bad it's hurting the game just to enforce a viewpoint, feels like the hillary convention.

 

[Sanderson]

Where's the proof?

 

[Ozram]

Looking at those two statements together, are you stating that this exercise was carried out with the deliberate goals of encouraging people to combat log (which I assume you consider cheating) and disrupting the ability of Frontier to provide support to its customers?

Lovely isn't it. In fact, I'm beginning to support combat logging vs them in general as it seems the fastest rout to generating griefer salt. It's practically a community service. I used to have something akin to respect for them, but then I noticed there's no gameplay in what they do. They grind endless hours to acquire near unbeatable meta Engineered ships and then they go on a shooting spree aimed at generating salt and discouraging players from social behaviour in Open. I remember actually following through, not using heat meta after all the blah blah yadda miff on it when four days before guardians is released one of them unloads thermal packhounds on me. I got through OK. Saw it coming and was already part way through the slot with a dropped heat sink by the time it hit. So basically they're hypocrites only out to disrupt and annoy. Why bother playing their game when we can generate salt against them with even greater ease... and then they say go to solo or Möbius etc. this means they actually don't give a hoot about the infringement of the rules, just the loss of a griefing opportunity. Boo hoo. Man, my respect for them as a pack has just flipped over into complete derrision. Lol!

 

[veryinky]

The main issue here is that frontier is neglecting something, who knows what the next thing is?

Yep, it's crime and punishment. Opening fire on an other ship (player or not) in a high security system should have severe consequences, not just a 1000cr fine/bounty. Not simply having the offender pay the rebuy but the offender is now wanted by the main insurance company of the game. Plus the cost of the goods from the ship and any and all valuable data which might be lost would be something that'd get tacked on due to a civil court case and an invariable judgement in absentia since I'm sure the PVP'er would be 'too busy' to show up for court, meaning even larger fines and bounties.

Every player pilot is registered to the Pilot's Federation, therefore crimes against someone who's a member of the Pilot's Federation should have severe consequences. Namely, it'd be something that could be done once and after that the offender would need to either hide in anarchy space for the rest of their game lives or face the consequences of their actions.

Want to avoid the consequences of your actions? Play entirely in anarchy systems.

 

[Charles Erika von Hackbeil]

It literally is an everything goes area, sorry to burst your bubble. If you intend to combat log to avoid the consequences of being in open, please go to mobius or switch to solo. The main issue here is that frontier is neglecting something, who knows what the next thing is? It miht be something you care about, and we definitely won't be there to help you then.

Nope, sorry to correct you. I read nowhere about the "rules" you just set up in your post. It´s become common sense for you guys that open is yours... sadly, this isn´t true. Open also belongs to me - or any other commander.

I won´t move to a PG just because you want it. Never. You know, there is something like game lore, which is an important thing in ED. You guys completely ignore all of this just to do the stuff in game you like. That´s ok for me, as long as you don´t expect others to play with you.

I think you understand pretty well.

FD are neglecting it because they see what´s the main reason for CL. It´s you guys, you with your stupid, meaningless attacks.