Well in fairness some PvE players might have the opposite view.
An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging
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Well in fairness some PvE players might have the opposite view.
what about when fighting NPCs, does that count?
Brett C
Frontier
If we experiment on live, we WILL end up with extremely unhappy commanders from all ends of the spectrum. There is no debate to that, that is simply what it is.
Additionally, we generally do not turn on PTS unless it's time for a new major patch in the series (1.1, 1.2, 1.3, etc). We currently do not have a method available for you guys to copy your live commander data over to PTS. That is all done via a snapshot.
My views on combat logging and griefing is probably much different than the overall view of the rest of the folks at the office. Targeted harassment and targeted repeated griefing isn't fun, and simply deters a person to return to that mode of play or the game.
Because it favors one side of the customer base?
That itself is another attitude that causes issues in the community.
Griefing does not exist. It is a falsity manufactured by entitled brats. Logging into open negates the very idea of "griefing," as you consent to any and all player interaction. Griefing would be a meaningful concept if the game lacked a solo and PG mode, which it does not. We need to dispel the myth of "griefing" here and now.
I enjoy playing space games for babies, not the thankless job of making them
I suppose I can agree there.
That actually is griefing, but I've yet to see anybody on the forum report that kind of thing since the early days of in station dumbfire spamming. What most people on here class as "griefing" is just having their ship blown up once by some random commander.
I appreciate the feedback, and of course it shouldn't be experimented live, but we would like to see some more apparent strides taken to address the issue, some sort of plan even without ETA. But we haven't received even that, which is what causes people to be concerned.
I think the entitled brat here is you.
Including, obviously, the player interacting with you in ways that you do not agree with - and act like an entitled brat by demanding that someone play with you in a way that suits you.
Make a contract. Send some cash via Paypal. Form an agreement.
Until then - you have no say at all in anyone elses playtime - just as you make others your content, others make you into their content.
Arguendo
Volunteer Moderator
That actually doesn't sound very comforting
Mods what? Can't take the same title put on you that you dispense on others? Hypocrite.
Repeatedly targeting specific players has already been defined by Frontier as harassment. Open is still subject to rules.
PvPers want a crime and punishment system that feels like a game, that merely adds some more excitement into the piracy/bounty hunting/whatever PvP gameplay. PvE players want a crime and punishment system that is a strong enough deterrent to make PvP piracy very rare, perhaps to the point of being virtually extinct, and literally make any and every griefer go broke.
So, yeah, I think he is right in his assertion. IMHO, the only way to make players happy is to separate the player base, create an Open PvE mode where player combat is somehow prevented and let the current Open mode for those that want PvP.
Brett C
Frontier
So by definition of Wikipedia (whatever merit that may hold), we're on the same definition of the word, correct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
Fairly sure combat logging does fall into that definition, as there's no proper penalty in place via game-mechanics when doing so right now. They don't need to be a PvE-hero crying greifer to a PvP player. The hallway goes both ways in this instance.
Brett C
Frontier
Mods are sleeping.
Awwwww - someone else needs a hug. Here, have a hug you special little sausage