An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging

TomP

TomP
Obnoxious_Gamer said:
Okay, Brett! Let me just "learn to play" when my Sidewinder gets interdicted by a combat FdL! Let me just ADAPT TO IT!

Wait, what? Nothing I do is going to make a sidewinder competent against an FdL? Okay, I guess I'll just trust the crime and punishment system to handle the player accordingly. Except it won't.

Yeah, no. If you actually played the damn game without a dev account for any meaningful period of time, you wouldn't be making such obviously wrong statements as these. Utterly depressing.
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Hmm. I started playing this game without ever looking at the forums. But I made the decision to play Solo until I'd learned to play the environment. Then I switched to Open and learned to play there.

It was just common sense.
 
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StuartGT

StuartGT
xdeath said:
That's because Reddit works by literally suppressing opposing view points via the up vote, down vote system.

Even if Reddits outcome was highly favourable to me, I wouldn't trust it purely from that systems standpoint.
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Down with Reddit and its democratic comment-importance-ranking system in discussion threads! [mad] *shakes fist*
 

Sopel3pl

Sopel3pl
Brett C said:
Problem with developing a full crime and punishment system is this: Everyone has their own idea of it. Some was it strict, some want a 50/50, some want a loopholed system, some desire for things to remain as is, some want a system that is beyond what i personally would define as fun.

If you cause or do one thing, what is the reaction to it? You cause a Lichtenberg figure-effect, much atone to this image: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/PlanePair2.jpg - you start at the base, but as you branch out, things will split and methods to the reaction will change.
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People always will cry. However you as a developer should enter clear rules. You have developed to the game absurd solo mode. When it is, that it is a good place to everybody who do not accept the risk of multiplayer game. But when somebody enter multiplayer mode then he have to accept risk. If someone entered the multi, get a shot and after this go to cry. Developer should say, sorry. You know the risk. Now go to single mode. When you will be taught return to multi. Developers you are adults. You created game for adults. And you listen band of children who laud that was bite by older guy. You have 3 game modes, so let that one of them was a mode for men. Adult people bear the consequences of their decisions. Developers because of your indecision, adult people must suffer the presence of disconnecting children in the game. Dear DEV's Recall yourself how are male take decisions.
 
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Ozram

Ozram
Sopel3pl said:
People always will cry. However you as a developer should enter clear rules. You have developed to the game absurd solo mode. When it is, that it is a good place to everybody who do not accept the risk of multiplayer game. But when somebody enter multiplayer mode then he have to accept risk. If someone entered the multi, get a shot and after this go to cry. Developer should say, sorry. You know the risk. Now go to single mode. When you will be taught return to multi. Developers you are adults. You created game for adults. And you listen band of children who laud that was bite by older guy. You have 3 game modes, so let that one of them was a mode for men. Adult people bear the consequences of their decisions. Developers because of your indecision, adult people must suffer the presence of disconnecting children in the game. Dead DEV's Recall yourself how are male take decisions.
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There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin (and that's not taking into account the clear language barrier).
 

StuartGT

StuartGT
Ozram said:
Populist would be the more accurate term.
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I would agree with that:
Populism is a political doctrine that stems from a viewpoint of struggle between the populace and a ruling faction. Populism is most common in democratic nations.
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In Reddit discussion threads, "popular" comments and opinions are indeed ranked higher than "unpopular" ones.

In the context of Brett's comment...
With this thread here, it's a pickle. I have multiple sides all giving input to the scenario, and there's really no easy solution that will make people happy. Sure, I'm going to get yelled at for "did you even read the last 1000 replies?", "omg just implement crime punishment system rabble rabble...", etc etc. At this point, I'm trying to find the key points that appear to jive with the community. So far, not at that point. Reddit seems to be coming to a meeting ground, but here on the forums, not so much.
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...the Reddit discussions (on this topic) have the top-ranked 50 or so comment-branches being of the consensus that Cheaters (Combat Loggers) should be punished (to varying degrees), and a proper Crime & Punishment system should be brought in (to punish PKers appropriately).

Populist democracy at work. Down with it! [mad] *shakes fist*
 

frostypaw

frostypaw
Ozram said:
Populist would be the more accurate term.
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Indeed - there's a great example there just now with OA's "Why PvP" thread which read in 'best' order seems like all PvPers are hard done by pirates. It's all the predictable stuff and from nobler types.

Way further down the democratic ranking of importance scale are some real PKer responses which really answers the questions about the type of distressing PvP people complain about.

Reddit rankings mean very little - you've no idea if it's genuine, trolling, purely cos it made someone laugh or what so it's a terrible filter.
 

Ozram

Ozram
GTuk said:
I would agree with that:

In Reddit discussion threads, "popular" comments and opinions are indeed ranked higher than "unpopular" ones.

In the context of Brett's comment...

...the Reddit discussions (on this topic) have the top-ranked 50 or so comment-branches being of the consensus that Cheaters (Combat Loggers) should be punished (to varying degrees), and a proper Crime & Punishment system should be brought in (to punish PKers appropriately).

Populist democracy at work. Down with it! [mad] *shakes fist*
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I was trying to be accurate, not insulting. Although I think the style of populism enforced in reddit is more factional than democratic.
 

SnowyNI

SnowyNI
Where is this video? what is it they say "Proof! Or it didn't happen!" or something like that. I'm taking no ones word for nothing.
 

Sopel3pl

Sopel3pl
Ozram said:
There is so much wrong with this post I don't even know where to begin (and that's not taking into account the clear language barrier).
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.... I'm so scared, i'm so gentle. Don't say so terrible world.
I think it's your way of thinking.
Elite dangerous is elite dangerous not Barbie the game. 50% players trying to change this game in game for children. Either the game is "dangerous" or not. If player can disconnect on demand the game is not "dangerous".
 
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Ozram

Ozram
Sopel3pl said:
.... I'm so scared, i'm so gentle. Don't say so terrible world.
I think it's your way of thinking.
Elite dangerous is elite dangerous not Barbie the game. 50% players trying to change this game in game for children. Either the game is "dangerous" or not. If player can disconnect on demand the game is not "dangerous".
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I was speaking more along the lines of the weird and sexist bravado in conjunction with the blanket insults, strange immature notions of adulthood and what that means. Nothing to be scared of ;)
 
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SnowyNI

SnowyNI
Sopel3pl said:
.... I'm so scared, i'm so gentle. Don't say so terrible world.
I think it's your way of thinking.
Elite dangerous is elite dangerous not Barbie the game. 50% players trying to change this game in game for children. Either the game is "dangerous" or not. If player can disconnect on demand the game is not "dangerous".
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Another new player that has never looked up the name and it's real meaning??? yup! :(
 

StuartGT

StuartGT
frostypaw said:
Indeed - there's a great example there just now with OA's "Why PvP" thread which read in 'best' order seems like all PvPers are hard done by pirates. It's all the predictable stuff and from nobler types.

Way further down the democratic ranking of importance scale are some real PKer responses which really answers the questions about the type of distressing PvP people complain about.

Reddit rankings mean very little - you've no idea if it's genuine, trolling, purely cos it made someone laugh or what so it's a terrible filter.
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You appear to have misinterpreted the community's voting in that thread, allow me to help.

The voting and comments in that discussion in summary shows:
  • Players prefer the nobler pirates and their playstyle
  • Players don't particularly like PKers, but appreciate their opinion (second highest voted comment is a PKer describing how he kills indiscriminately)
  • Players think the NPC AI is "braindead" difficulty-wise (top voted comment)
  • Players valued almost all opinions - only one root comment was voted zero-or-less: it was simply "Salt"
Indeed, one comment that stood out for me: "PVP has two very different faces and this thread's treatment of PVP players as monolithic is a mistake."

Discussion threads can be sorted by "Top" which orders by voting rank - the option is just below the OP in every thread.

The default "Hot" sorts based on Reddit's (unknown) algorithm, which is a mixture of vote-score, branch replies, and time of posting - where more recent comments will appear higher than older comments of similar score/replies (i.e. it's a current hot branch). A post/comment's vote score invisibly "depreciates" over time.
 
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Sopel3pl

Sopel3pl
Ozram said:
I was speaking more along the lines of the weird and sexist bravado in conjunction with the blanket insults, strange immature notions of adulthood and what that means. Nothing to be scared of ;)
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If only you knew, with what a brutal game comes this avatar :D
 
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