An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging

ryan_m

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Theodrid said:
With the caveat 'in these cases', now, I am unsure if that does mean all cases but it does not equate automatically to you guys, without question, being 100% 'right'.

SDC, when are you guys going to learn that there is more than one way to skin a cat, things have been achieved on these forums and in game that did not involve calling people liars and threatening to run to the media. Things have been achieved on these boards and in game that did not involve disrupting game play and killing everything that moves 'to prove a point'. Things have been achieved on these boards and in game without referring to the rest of the playerbase as 'dumb', 'carebears', 'forum dads' and much worse and more besides on reddit.

You guys actually have some valid gripes and causes, no doubt about it, but your methods of delivery and obtaining results throws huge plumes of smoke about that leave a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. Your issues could get discussed much more civilly but for some strange reason you decide to smear it all in insults and disdain for your fellow players.

I will not hold my breath for change though.
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And yet, when we do it, things happen.

FDev have had nearly 2 years to fix combat logging. Think about how many threads you have personally seen about combat logging and whether or not it should be punished. That's why it was done this way. It was clear that FDev would not respond to it unless we forced their hand, and what do you know, less than 24 hours later we have an official response.

You can question the way we go about doing things, but you can't deny the results.
 

SpyTec

SpyTec
frostypaw said:
No he said almost exactly the opposite. He said they didn't investigate those ones in error but that they DO take it seriously and do investigate.

If you all want to be taken seriously you need to stop twisting other's words - especially official announcements - to try and put yourself in the right and as some kind of saviours of the game. If that kind of twisting is Reddit standards it only confirms why I avoid the place and why it gets it's reputation.
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First mistake you're making is believing Zac to be speaking the truth, not any scepticism at all. Zac confirmed that the issues raised by OP were in fact not treated per their procedure, I did not twist that. That is exactly what Zac is confirming. Believing that it is an isolated incident would mean you don't have any scepticism, why would quite a few issues, raised from all over the world by different people all have the same treatment given? If they did it to these tickets, what's saying they haven't done for other tickets? I mean sure, use the good faith of FD and believe what they're saying, just don't blindly believe, have scepticism.

Saviours of the game are the ones who play the game and wants it to become better (such as OP with the analysis). Making broad strokes of reddit due to your misinterpretation of my wording is a bit too much.
 

Theodrid

Theodrid
ryan_m said:
And yet, when we do it, things happen.

FDev have had nearly 2 years to fix combat logging. Think about how many threads you have personally seen about combat logging and whether or not it should be punished. That's why it was done this way. It was clear that FDev would not respond to it unless we forced their hand, and what do you know, less than 24 hours later we have an official response.

You can question the way we go about doing things, but you can't deny the results.
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'And yet when we do it things happen' - Guess what, that was the point of my post, there is more than one way to skin a cat'. Are you saying this is the only way results can be achieved in terms of gameplay? - because that is false, as I said, much has been achieved without the sort of antics your group decided to undertake.

And the response you refer to, what exactly do you think you have achieved? - where do the results speak for themselves in this case? - Has Frontier given you a list of 30 combat loggers they have punished since releasing that statement?

You may well be right about me not being able to deny the results on this one, time will tell, but you are damn right I am questioning your methodology.
 

xdeath

xdeath
ryan_m said:
For all the salt you spilled in this thread, Zac confirmed that we were right and that nothing was being done. It was an "oversight", and support was not following policy.
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I don't think you can accuse me of spilling salt, when this post here clearly shows that you have not read a single word I wrote.

I believe you were right. You wouldn't have made such a post if you weren't right in some context. That is not the issue here.
The issue here is how you made such a malicious post just to get what you want.

It really starts to shine a little truth on what people have accused SDC of being in the past.
Something that I never took part in because I believed that actions in game do not represent who a person is out of game.
But this was out of game.
 

Ziggy Stardust

Ziggy Stardust
ryan_m said:
And yet, when we do it, things happen.

FDev have had nearly 2 years to fix combat logging. Think about how many threads you have personally seen about combat logging and whether or not it should be punished. That's why it was done this way. It was clear that FDev would not respond to it unless we forced their hand, and what do you know, less than 24 hours later we have an official response.

You can question the way we go about doing things, but you can't deny the results.
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So it's fixed now!

Phew, thanks fellers. Well I'm sure we're all glad this issue is behind us.
 

SpyTec

SpyTec
xdeath said:
I don't think you can accuse me of spilling salt, when this post here clearly shows that you have not read a single word I wrote.

I believe you were right. You wouldn't have made such a post if you weren't right in some context. That is not the issue here.
The issue here is how you made such a malicious post just to get what you want.

It really starts to shine a little truth on what people have accused SDC of being in the past.
Something that I never took part in because I believed that actions in game do not represent who a person is out of game.
But this was out of game.
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Just how is it malicious to want an exploit handled like the exploit it is?
 

Charles Erika von Hackbeil

Charles Erika von Hackbeil
Frijaz said:
The heat cancer was vanquished through destructive action, SDC has so far proven effective at making a problem stand out, making it visible, and finally, cutting it off.

The problem with supporting FD at every turn like many of you do here is that whenever something goes wrong, you'll ride along with it until the flaws are a thousandfold, SDC's intolerance to bad decisionmaking and systems is a cleansing fire in comparison.
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God, there is really somebody believing SDC is resposible for the change in the heat weapons...

Yeah, of course, no one else noticed it. :)
 

Tuub t Tute

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Frijaz said:
Here you go, eurogamer literally just began a coverage of this!

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...rs-are-trying-to-get-frontier-to-fix-cheating

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and the older one:
http://segmentnext.com/2016/11/23/e...ers-are-deliberately-ignoring-combat-logging/
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First one hasn't bothered to update with Zac's response.

Second one reads as "Obsessive zealot forces FDev to admit: One of their CS team can't be bothered with combat logging investigations as per process, on this occasion", more news at 11...
 

xdeath

xdeath
SpyTec said:
Just how is it malicious to want an exploit handled like the exploit it is?
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Rofl, are you serious?

I'm sorry, but I actually did laugh when I read this.

Please reread the op. It's not about the exploit. It's about the blunt accusations of lying and the threats.

SDC thinks that their efforts will result in less cheating(cheating can never be stopped, unfortunately), and I think that it will have some unintended side effects. I think that it will result in lasting damage to the community.
 

Vorxian

Vorxian
What ever happens, hope FDEV make the C&P system equally as brutal as the banhammer on people using combat logging because they're let down by the current C&P system.

Now....... As Ziggy says: glad it's all behind us.

We can all be friends again... can't we?

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