Anaconda destroyed in seconds by npc's

[BigBANGtheory [VR]]

Thx for the replies guys i understand i'm only playing 2 weeks but its been a hard 2 weeks lol still man its just insane to be wiped out so fast by such a small ship,if the conda isnt a fighting ship or at least capable of fighting then whats the point of grinding for bigger ships with their massive weapons and mounts.........the cobra i had before was wiped out super fast too,not quite this fast tho at least i had time to deploy and fight but i put that down to it being a mid range ship more for trading and exp...but the conda ???? whats the point of all that armour an IMPROVED shield generator and hull reinforcement if your gonna get shot to pieces in seconds......i get the engineering and all that but no small ship should be able to that much damage to a behmoth like the conda so fast......another conda or another big ship yea ok...............i pumped all power into the shields and tried to pop off chaff and shield boosters then boooooom hull breach......14 mill gone............its a great game but this has left me really unhappy had a blast this last 2 weeks only for this to ruin my day lol....

You have to either:
1. Outfit and or engineer it correctly, once this is done they own all NPCs short of Thargoids
2. Have learnt escape techniques so you can flee if needed or unprepared for combat

I wouldn't sweat over 14M cr, consider it a useful lesson learnt

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Here's the thing: You forgot to grind some months with engineers. Enjoy.

 

[Darth Llama]

A decent PvE mutli purpose Anaconda is about 400mil, with Li Yong-Rui's 15% discount.

That's pretty accurate.. yes. My Multipurpose Conda comes in around 388M and is pretty much invincible in PVE.

Build.

It's heavily engineered, but even without any of that there is no way it would even get scratched by a PVE Vulture. I would rate myself as a 'good' pilot, I would be lying if I said I was great. In PVP I would get destroyed in seconds, in PVE (Solo/Private Group) it's extremely rare that this ship is ever in any real danger.

A 14M rebuy gives him a total build value right around 288M or so which isn't a good build at all. If you take a Conda and just A-Rate the Core internals (with the exception of Sensors and Life Support) you get almost a 14M rebuy without even adding anything else.

The problem here is clearly a case of a commander flying a ship he didn't understand and didn't have the proper knowledge to build or fly. OP, this isn't the type of game where you can just buy 'the best ship' and boom.. you're a god. Stock ships are bad.. all of them.. there is no point in buying ANY ship if you don't know how to build it and take the time to learn how to fly it.

I honestly don't know how you could possibly lose that quickly to a single PVE Vulture though. I believe it happened, but perhaps maybe the description of how quick it was is slightly.. exaggerated?

Either way, the advice you have received is good advice. Start with something smaller and cheaper, study up on how to build it first and then take the time to learn to fly it. Something like a Challenger, Chieftain, Krait Mark II, Fer De Lance, or even a Vulture would be a good starting point. I know you have been a little beat up in replies here, but nonetheless, this forum is a great place to get advice on how to outfit and fly a particular ship.

If you really want to stick with the Anaconda (it's a great ship) then I strongly suggest you post in the newcomers or the ship section and ask for advice on how to build it. I cannot stress enough that you can't just slap anything together and expect to succeed. This game has a learning curve and you're going to need help.

I'll give you credit though, after 2 weeks into Elite.. I was in a Viper, moderately equipped and could barely manage to fly from station to station. You'll get there, but it's going to take longer then 2 weeks.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

OP is new, fresh out the gate and into the Annie and instead of being supportive, helpful and showing a little sympathy for their situation, I'm mostly seeing posts that basically say "well, you should have known better, scrublord LOL what a noob."

I honestly wonder if it's at all possible for this community to offer a beginner advice, without being Richards about it?

 

[NecasekO]

OP, your assumption that a small ship can't destroy a large ship quickly is incorrect. Many players have found this the hard way in the past.

Now that you know, the best course of action is to switch to a smaller (and much cheaper) ship to learn more about combat in ED. Once you spend some time in the Vulture or Imp. Courier and learn the flight characteristics and possible weapon and module loadouts, you will realize how capable these ships can be.

 

[Darth Llama]

OP is new, fresh out the gate and into the Annie and instead of being supportive, helpful and showing a little sympathy for their situation, I'm mostly seeing posts that basically say "well, you should have known better, scrublord LOL what a noob."

I honestly wonder if it's at all possible for this community to offer a beginner advice, without being Richards about it?

I understand what you're saying which is why I tried to be a little easier on the OP.

To be fair though, there is a newcomer section of the forum and people there are definitely easier then they are on the 'Dangerous Discussion' section.

For many, this forum is how they PvP in Elite.

 

[Factabulous]

I honestly wonder if it's at all possible for this community to offer a beginner advice, without being Richards about it?

To be fair to the community, the OP's post was also quite Richard. If he's come here (or better - newcomers) asking for advice he would have had a different response. Coming here looking for the Win button never goes well

Anyway OP - research some builds & skills - it takes a bit of time but you will master it!

o7

 

[Wasp0]

OP is new, fresh out the gate and into the Annie and instead of being supportive, helpful and showing a little sympathy for their situation, I'm mostly seeing posts that basically say "well, you should have known better, scrublord LOL what a noob."

I honestly wonder if it's at all possible for this community to offer a beginner advice, without being Richards about it?

Oh so this post.......... I hope all you mockers are proud of yourselves? I suppose you all picked up this game and started playing like elite pilots right from your first logon. Shame on you knockers mockers and as r0ckhat put it 'Richards'.

OP, if by some chance you have not left in disgust at the way you have been slagged off. Just play the game and stay away from this toxic forum, especially this section of the forum.

Best of luck in picking up elite again, and if you want decent advice, PM me, I'll gladly help as others did for me when i loaded up this game and stalled!!

 

[Bortas]

I honestly wonder if it's at all possible for this community to offer a beginner advice, without being Richards about it?

Plenty of advice was given, but nothing the OP wanted to hear. IMHO it's not the right time to discuss Combat-Anaconda builds for a new player who did nothing but grind credits so far.

He should jump back into a Cobra and start doing different things, including combat, to gain experience, then slowly work his way up into bigger ships to get a grasp of what to take into consideration.

 

[Wasp0]

Plenty of advice was given, but nothing the OP wanted to hear. IMHO it's not the right time to discuss Combat-Anaconda builds for a new player who did nothing but grind credits so far.

He should jump back into a Cobra and start doing different things, including combat, to gain experience, then slowly work his way up into bigger ships to get a grasp of what to take into consideration.

Totally Agree Bortas, but there is a way of telling this to the OP. Some replies did, (Don't get me wrong, some great advice was/has been given) some replies are downright toxic and not called for!

 

[ALEX CAOS]

What a load of garbage.

Your rank makes zero difference to the damage NPCs deal to you.

yea rank makes no diffenrence

even the specs of the conda are not that goodly, 10 sec is imposible, only thing can kill so fast would be thermal cascade thorpedos followed by frags or cannon sniping the powerplant or a wing. In one word player engenered weapons.

something went wrong gueys you where in open and got ganked or it was a bug. After 2 weeks i would recomand to fly a folture you shurely cant handle a conda or have the info you need to survive.

 

[SheepDip82]

Hi folks new to the game just managed to buy an anaconda after nearly 2 weeks of damm hard grind......very first inderdiction i was looking forward to try her out in combat....nope my pride and joy was destroyed in seconds by an npc with a Vulture....are you kidding me man ?......... like no kidding max 10 seconds....didn't even have time to deploy my fighter let alone return fire ...................something very wrong here man how a huge ship like the conda can be wiped out in seconds by a runt like the Vulture........

Also the conda isn't even stock with upgraded shield generator,fsd,power dist and plant,fighter bay,shield boosters reinforced compartments,and a ton of weapons fat lot of good as i didn't even get time to deploy them.......

This is game breaking for me there is simply no point in grinding hundreds of hours for a top rated ship to be cut to pieces in seconds by a ship a 10th of the cost size and with nowhere near the firepower.......
Am i missing something guys ?

Greetings CMDR! That sucks.

I had a similar experience the first time I got an Anaconda, I wasn't looking to fight either - I tried running (it was sadly during the period where NPC's could have over-engineered weapons and I got done by a Sidewinder with what looked like a pair of full automatic railguns). It was a hell of a sting, anyway. I went right back to my top-spec Python.

Anyway...your experience doesn't sound quite right. A good spec Anaconda would have 500mj+ shields and 1500+ hull integrity, and a good spec Vulture could probably do 200-300 DPS (though I suspect it might be more, and there are people on the forum know more than me). That said - in my experience - the Anaconda has a poorly placed power plant which if targeted and destroyed would make you kaboom significantly faster than having your hull worn down to 0%.

 

[Jmanis]

Thx for the replies guys indeed I'm a noob to this game for sure but not to flying been mill simming for decades so have pretty good stick and rudder skills and reactions, and i've learnt quite a lot in 2 weeks 12 hours a day solid lol,but this wasn't about experience or skill or game knowledge or even butt hurt at losing my ship thankfully had enoug creds to rebuy, were kinda missing the point here guys no small 4 million cr ship A rated or not should be able to destroy a 146 million credit crusier in seconds its absurd......the conda is supposed to have massive hull armour and decent shields even stock which mine isn't, no amount of skilled piloting is gonna make a difference or be able to react in 10 seconds ,fs it takes that long to turn the damm beast let alone deploy weapons,the fighter,boost shields,etc......something not quite right here man i've watched videos on youtube of the conda taking a hell of a beating and still in fighting form help me out guys i'm terrified to take the conda out now fs lol looks like its back to my cobra and robigo pax missions till i figure this out...

My spec is as follows
BULKHEADS-1C LIGHTWEIGHT ALLOY
FSD-6A
SHIELD-6B
PWR DIST-8C
PWR PLANT-8C
LIFE SUPPORT-5D
THRUSTERS-7A
SENSORS-5D
LIFESUP-5D
MILCOM-HULL REINFORCEMENT

OP INTERNALS

CARGO
CARGO
6B SHIELD GEN
FIGHTER BAY PLUS 2 FIGHTERS
COMPART REINFORCEMENT
SHIELD BOOSTERS

HARDPOINTS
2+HEASTSINK
2 +POINT DEFENCE
THE REST OA SHIELD BOOSTERS

Pretty weak fitting, and if you've only been playing two weeks, you probably didn't have any pips in SYS either.

Lightweight alloys? Pure suicide.

 

[Darth Llama]

yea rank makes no diffenrence

even the specs of the conda are not that goodly, 10 sec is imposible, only thing can kill so fast would be thermal cascade thorpedos followed by frags or cannon sniping the powerplant or a wing. In one word player engenered weapons.

something went wrong gueys you where in open and got ganked or it was a bug. After 2 weeks i would recomand to fly a folture you shurely cant handle a conda or have the info you need to survive.

This was my thought as well.

Even as inexperienced as the OP may be, if his explanation of events is accurate, he was definitely killed by a player. NPC interdicters usually don't even attack you right away, they scan you first. If he was killed in 10 seconds, it was a player.

 

[Nadreck]

He did describe his build, looks like some people missed that. He mentioned a 6B shield and no armour. He also didn't mention any engineering at all (and obviously he won't have unlocked PP modules, being new).

I've survived many NPC interdictions as a cheapskate in an unarmed, unarmoured and unshielded T9, but I did it by running away. It's a mistake to even try to engage a Vulture in an inadequately-prepared ship, and the Vulture is a notorious giant-killer, with the firepower of a medium ship (had a bad encounter with one of those in my partially-engineered Python awhile back, only saved by the cops showing up, limped home with a smashed canopy).

Don't let ED's price structure fool you. Large ships generally are more powerful than small ships, but the extreme price difference is due to ED's policy of making slightly better stuff cost many times as much.

I would expect a battle-hardened Anaconda to have a 7C bi-weave or 7A prismatic shield, Military Composite or Reactive Surface Composite armour, and engineering on both. That will keep you alive long enough to use whatever weapons you have, or to jump out if you start losing. If you stick around and fight, don't even think about dogfighting a ship that's so much faster and more agile than you. Use turrets, a fighter, or full-reverse and shoot backwards (though a Vulture is so fast that you'll probably only land one decent hit per pass: A-rated and fully engineered thrusters might buy you an extra half-second or whatever).

 

[Alwayslate]

Planning for the worst case, like a cmdr with reverberating cascade. Just an idea, im sure others better at combat can improve on my suggestion.

If you are flying careless enough and/or you have an opponent skilled enough to know when and where to strike, even if you put point defense turrets in all 8 slots, they won't be able to hold back a surprise attack from reverberating cascade torpedoes.

 

[Deadlock-3000]

I mean, we've had Mostly Harmless NPCs in Anacondas since day one. Not to mention combat Elite NPCs in Adders.

It's just the so-called "economy" catching up with them.

 

[S3B4ST13N]

To be fair to the community, the OP's post was also quite Richard. If he's come here (or better - newcomers) asking for advice he would have had a different response. Coming here looking for the Win button never goes well

Anyway OP - research some builds & skills - it takes a bit of time but you will master it!

o7

All I saw was someone posting out of frustration that they'd spent 2 weeks grinding away only to lose their Annie "seconds" after getting it. We've all been in a similar situation; so it's a tad shocking (not unexpected) to see little sympathy. [blah]

The tone of his follow up responses were, IMHO, in response to the way people have been talking to him.

I also didn't get the vibe he was looking for a WIN button; confused why he died (due to a lack of understanding) and didn't know that in ED bigger doesn't always mean better.

 

[Brian of Ardagh]

All I saw was someone posting out of frustration that they'd spent 2 weeks grinding away only to lose their Annie "seconds" after getting it. We've all been in a similar situation; so it's a tad shocking (not unexpected) to see little sympathy. [blah]

The tone of his follow up responses were, IMHO, in response to the way people have been talking to him.

I also didn't get the vibe he was looking for a WIN button; confused why he died (due to a lack of understanding) and didn't know that in ED bigger doesn't always mean better.

ED could really use an "after-action" report detailing what destroyed your ship, either in the journal or in an optional screen right after the rebuy screen. It would be very helpful to know what you were hit with and how much damage each attack did.

 

[Bigmaec]

All I saw was someone posting out of frustration that they'd spent 2 weeks grinding away only to lose their Annie "seconds" after getting it. We've all been in a similar situation; so it's a tad shocking (not unexpected) to see little sympathy. [blah]

The tone of his follow up responses were, IMHO, in response to the way people have been talking to him.

I also didn't get the vibe he was looking for a WIN button; confused why he died (due to a lack of understanding) and didn't know that in ED bigger doesn't always mean better.

I remember my frustration losing my mostly D-rated PAX Anaconda to NPCs twice in a row in Rhea in the beginning.
Most of us were there, yes.
And guess what? I upgraded my build after switching back to my A-rated Python to get a bit more leeway on rebuys.

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