Anaconda trader 750 tons?!

[krylite]

Ships are like Honda Civics. Sure, they existed in the eighties, but they were totally different!

Reminds me of station wagons & vans, then mini-vans, then eventually mostly morphed into less "cargo carrying" but supposedly better "performing" and sleeker SUVs. Kind of similar to Elite ships' evolvement over the centuries..

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[Noobilite]

Maybe the guys who made this game originally skimmed this and took the drive +400 tons as it's actual weight somehow. It's the same value... absolute max cargo is around 468 +400 hull = 868. It's around the same number but the numbers are swapped. Of course if it used those numbers it would have a hull of 150 base.. So it would be even better as an explorer. But it should be as a stripped down hauler potentially. Or is the current anaconda considered a different ship or ship variant all together.

They could also add the real crew and adjust crew to allow for more crew members more reasonably. That could add dynamics to various ships and lower overall cost for smaller ships. Ones that can't carry 400tons plus of cargo. If not at least it would be well defended or a good explorer.

Of course both ships have different makers.. Or did they just change their name as a company? Does it have anything to do with that thing about the engineers being killed and the prototype still building ships in some way or was that made up?

https://eddp.co/u/zMRkU3tu

Here is 152.8 ton base equipment +468 cargo with 400 base weight... Not too far off besides come values being different. Drop the base weight and that gets interesting. Is this the 750 ton in the original game broken down more?! Maybe it meant full cargo like the 800 ton in this example.

Here is exactly 150t base +400t cargo+400t hull: https://eddp.co/u/AcJMcFUe

I noticed it is also missing two guns. It should be better than it is currently. It's sort of a shame actually. Although if it's max is two guns and 8 missiles they might be 2 large or huge slots plus 8 medium to small slots. It would change the nature of the ship a bit. That would be fitting for a non faction ship.

Have their been advances in the individual parts like the fsd drives in the storyline? I'm not sure what would account for the change in hull weight. Did they change the materials they make it out of. Using something worse seems a big odd. Maybe something required them to change to a heavier material to meet the needs of changing tech. Or simply increase the hull all together. Does it have more base integrity now?

Edit: Did the math wrong. It's 250 for engines. Take off the extra weight from the hull and this is basically the same ship/weight: https://eddp.co/u/hAJkudiG

 

[The Brigadier]

On the Atari, they introduced a special new top end fighter called a Wolf Mk2 or something, which was by far the scariest thing in the game apart from a Thargoid. Would be fun to see the wolf make a return but I suspect it wont

Bonus points for making me remember the slightly terrifying Wolf MkII. I'd love to see it scare a new generation of commanders. But that goes for a load of the old ships.

Moray Starboat and the Constrictor are two others I'd like to see. Seems strange the Krait has is only just on the horizon.

Back on topic; yeah the Anaconda was a beast back in the old days. The Boa was even more immense off the top of my head. Shame the ships we've got now barely fit through the docking port. So anything much bigger is gunna be a problem...might scratch the paintwork a wee bit.

 

[Susanna]

It's a little-known fact that in 3297 a design-team at Faulcon DeLacy managed to successfully develop a procedure to assemble a ship's internal frame using Carbon-Fibre Nanofilament Tubing.
The process required manipulation of the CFN Tubing on a molecular level and a machine was constructed to perform the operation because it was impossible for a human being to do with sufficient accuracy.
The machine was installed on the Anaconda production line for testing purposes with the intention of applying the technology to other ships at a later date.

When this development was made public, the implications were felt throughout the industry, with various companies fearing it would undermine their own products and services.
A clandestine group of high-ranking officials from Sirius Corp (because it's always Sirius Corp) were tasked with finding a solution to this problem.
Shortly afterwards, the entire Faulcon DeLacy design team responsible for the CFN Tubing technology were tragically killed in a freak accident after winning a luxury cruise aboard a Saud Kruger liner (one of the top 1% of liners in service) which flew into a star with the loss of all aboard.

As a result of these events, the secret of the CFN tubing technology was lost forever but the original prototype machine continues to operate in Faulcon DeLacy's factory, producing incredibly lightweight Anacondas to this day.

:O

Repped for a most amusing story! [haha]

 

[Hadarmil]

Back on topic; yeah the Anaconda was a beast back in the old days. The Boa was even more immense off the top of my head. Shame the ships we've got now barely fit through the docking port. So anything much bigger is gunna be a problem...might scratch the paintwork a wee bit.

Trim the stupid wings off the beluga and increase the hull width to where the smaller side fins ended. Make it look a bit less phallic(or more, if that's your thing), add a crap ton of hardpoints, internals etc' and you've got yourself a possible Panther clipper.

 

[Good Death]

It's a little-known fact that in 3297 a design-team at Faulcon DeLacy managed to successfully develop a procedure to assemble a ship's internal frame using Carbon-Fibre Nanofilament Tubing.
The process required manipulation of the CFN Tubing on a molecular level and a machine was constructed to perform the operation because it was impossible for a human being to do with sufficient accuracy.
The machine was installed on the Anaconda production line for testing purposes with the intention of applying the technology to other ships at a later date.

When this development was made public, the implications were felt throughout the industry, with various companies fearing it would undermine their own products and services.
A clandestine group of high-ranking officials from Sirius Corp (because it's always Sirius Corp) were tasked with finding a solution to this problem.
Shortly afterwards, the entire Faulcon DeLacy design team responsible for the CFN Tubing technology were tragically killed in a freak accident after winning a luxury cruise aboard a Saud Kruger liner (one of the top 1% of liners in service) which flew into a star with the loss of all aboard.

As a result of these events, the secret of the CFN tubing technology was lost forever but the original prototype machine continues to operate in Faulcon DeLacy's factory, producing incredibly lightweight Anacondas to this day.

:O

Wow! Just like Nikola Tesla. Damn you to Sirius!

 

[GraXXoR]

The stupid thing is that the game would be better if they made the conda 750t again. It unbalanced so much...

Question is, whose Mary Sue is it? DBOBE?

It's a little-known fact that in 3297 a design-team at Faulcon DeLacy managed to successfully develop a procedure to assemble a ship's internal frame using Carbon-Fibre Nanofilament Tubing.
The process required manipulation of the CFN Tubing on a molecular level and a machine was constructed to perform the operation because it was impossible for a human being to do with sufficient accuracy.
The machine was installed on the Anaconda production line for testing purposes with the intention of applying the technology to other ships at a later date.

When this development was made public, the implications were felt throughout the industry, with various companies fearing it would undermine their own products and services.
A clandestine group of high-ranking officials from Sirius Corp (because it's always Sirius Corp) were tasked with finding a solution to this problem.
Shortly afterwards, the entire Faulcon DeLacy design team responsible for the CFN Tubing technology were tragically killed in a freak accident after winning a luxury cruise aboard a Saud Kruger liner (one of the top 1% of liners in service) which flew into a star with the loss of all aboard.

As a result of these events, the secret of the CFN tubing technology was lost forever but the original prototype machine continues to operate in Faulcon DeLacy's factory, producing incredibly lightweight Anacondas to this day.

:O

A fun read. Cheers. Repped.

 

[GraXXoR]

so looks like datastorage is a lost thing 3297 and everyone needs to keep all information in his brain. Classic Elite Lore, looks like a swiss cheese, smells like a swiss cheese, tastes like a swiss cheese, but is in relaity just simulated future engineering.




with the nearly non existing cargo it has atm, it's not even a courier, at best either a scout or a messenger, rip off of a stupid jetplane. Sure fun to play, but not really a courier.

My image of a courier is someone who carries a light message (Encrypted USB stick? Signed A4 Contract) across the city in a bicycle, motorbike or light van if intercity. They are more expensive but faster and more flexible than bulk carriers.

 

[Keanson]

Bonus points for making me remember the slightly terrifying Wolf MkII. I'd love to see it scare a new generation of commanders. But that goes for a load of the old ships.

Moray Starboat and the Constrictor are two others I'd like to see. Seems strange the Krait has is only just on the horizon.

Back on topic; yeah the Anaconda was a beast back in the old days. The Boa was even more immense off the top of my head. Shame the ships we've got now barely fit through the docking port. So anything much bigger is gunna be a problem...might scratch the paintwork a wee bit.

The Boa was indeed mighty, overshadowed by the Panther Clipper sadly by that stage of the game. Always liked this rundown on the vessels:

[video=youtube;_y5fptWFWCg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y5fptWFWCg[/video]

 

[Iskariot]

I was just reading part of the manual from the original elite game. It says the anaconda trader was 750 tons and used for the safer trading routes... Is this the same as the anaconda in this game that is 400tons and absurdly maneuverable compared to other ships?! They call it the, "Anaconda Class Interstellar Freighter."

It's page 42 on the original 1984 elite manual.

On page 53 it has more info and says 750 tons is it's cargo capacity.

Edit: I just ran the numbers. You can't even get 750 tons on an anaconda for cargo. They should make it capable of that. Or make a trader version.

Are you talking about that Elite game, that is not this Elite game?
That is in fact an entirely different game from the past and therefore not this Elite game?
Are you referring to that predecessor from a few decades ago that is definitely not this game?

Did I mention that that game is not this game?

 

[Ian Doncaster]

On page 53 it has more info and says 750 tons is it's cargo capacity.

Interestingly there's some evidence that the 750t may have been a mistranscription of some hand-written notes, and it was actually supposed to be 150t capacity (so bigger than the original Elite Python, but smaller than the original Elite Boa, to match the relative sizes in FE2/FFE)

 

[Noobilite]

I wonder if the increase in hull weight is then related to the thing about the manufacturing process. Maybe that process was lost. Or the hull increased... Or is it just a simple balance change?

 

[gazra]

These were the ships in the original Elite (1984) video game:

http://www.elitehomepage.org/manual.htm

https://www.c64-wiki.com/wiki/Elite

Personally, I miss the ships in Frontier: First Encounters.

 

[Captain Willard]

Pretty much explains why the annie is so over buffed. Put the annie back at 750 tons and that would be just about right. NAAH It's still way over buffed than any ship in the game, a true joke.