General / Off-Topic Another van attack

[Sunleader]

As an sidenote as its a bit related.

Anyone got info on this from more reliable sources ?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...mmanuel-macron-angela-merkel-juncker-military

 

[FuzzySpider]

As an sidenote as its a bit related.

Anyone got info on this from more reliable sources ?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...mmanuel-macron-angela-merkel-juncker-military

The Express. It makes things up.

 

[Yaffle]

http://www.newsweek.com/european-un...s-and-latvians-back-idea-uk-and-sweden-629099

Closest I can find, so probably a grain of truth in it. Of course, had the UK still been part of the EU we could have blocked it. I also don't understand the arguments for or against, so have no idea if this would be a good thing or a bad thing.

 

[Patrick_68000]

Thats not entirely True either.
So you know.
Salaries of the Jobs you mentioned have an incredible wide tolerance.

And the Biggest Indicator for how much you get. Is your Experience.
Now something that is true. Is that Immigrated Engineers with alot of Experience often get Hired with a much lower Salary.
But thats Temporary and usually reasoned with them not being Integrated yet.

Of course this is partially an hoax of the Company to get an Experienced Engineer Cheaper.
Often Paying him only about as much as an Fresh from the Academy Engineer would get.


But this usually does not hold long and its a Fact that due to Language and Education Differences Hiring Engineers like this is often a Risk.
After all the Standards etc of other Countries especially less developed Countries are often Shaky.
Meaning that you might draw a dud.

However. It usually takes only a short time before they get full Wages. Because as soon as they have proven themselves they no longer have this pressure and thus are either increased in their Wages or Work somewhere else.

You are a supporter of the capitalist liberal system and an admirer of the massive immigration. Therefore you will never recognize the reality that we see on the ground in everyday life

 

[Sunleader]

The Express. It makes things up.

I know ^^
Thats why I asked if someone found a more Reliable Source

http://www.newsweek.com/european-un...s-and-latvians-back-idea-uk-and-sweden-629099

Closest I can find, so probably a grain of truth in it. Of course, had the UK still been part of the EU we could have blocked it. I also don't understand the arguments for or against, so have no idea if this would be a good thing or a bad thing.

Hmm.
So aside from Express nobody bothers Reporting it.
Meaning that likely the Express as usual blow something totally unrelated out of Proportions :/

Well. Guess so much for that. ^^
Thanks for checking anyways

You are a supporter of the capitalist liberal system and an admirer of the massive immigration. Therefore you will never recognize the reality that we see on the ground in everyday life

I am simply an Realist.
I like to see all sides of something and make an assessment based on Logic and Facts rather than Emotions.

I am not an Admirer of Massive Immigration at all.
I am an denier that this Massive Immigrations happens. Because the Facts as well as my Personal Experience Show that its not.
Even in the States like Germany which are extremely open to Immigration. This immigration only makes up a small Portion of the Population and Generally does not increase or decrease Job offers.

See Mate. Immigrants need to eat, sleep consume electricity etc.
They dont just increase the Offer of Workforce they also increase the Demand of Workforce.
One reason why Germany is often called the Engine Running Europe. Is because Germany instead of attempting to keep Immigrants out. Simply attempts to bring Immigrants up to the same living Standards as the German Populace.
Meaning that the immigrants in the Grand Total might take Jobs but by that also increase Jobs available by being part of the Economy.

Your too emotional about this. And this Blinds your ability to make an Objective Judgement of the Situation.
You are seeing the Negative Points at their worst but irrelevant minority.
And Ignore the Positive Points of the General Majority.

Its Similar to the UKs Claims that EU Immigrants would Immigrate in UKs Welfare System.
When any Statistic actually shows that EU Immigrants are the ones which Year and Year again have the best Ratio of Receiving Aid vs Paying Taxes. Better than even the Local Populace.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

You are a supporter of the capitalist liberal system and an admirer of the massive immigration. Therefore you will never recognize the reality that we see on the ground in everyday life

People also fail to recognise the problem of social cohesion, immigrant populations tend to segregate themselves, the consequences over the generations are dangerous, we see parts of London, Birmingham, Bradford, Paris, Marseilles, and parts of Belgium, Netherlands and Sweden, that are almost no go areas for non Muslims (part of the reason i voted remain is that eastern European immigration hasn't been that bad). These are facts that the regressive part of the political left either ignore or refuse to acknowledge.
I myself am a lefty, i refer people who think i'm a bigot, to Majid Nawaz, he did a few quality interviews lately, the Rubin report on youtube and on Bill Maher, mr Nawaz describes the problem faced by reasonable leftys such as myself, who are hit by accusations from all sides, the right naturally despise our views, and our own left wing allies dismiss us as bigots. I personally try to walk a line between "progressive" Corbyn/Sanders/TYT politics and the more secular minded approach of the likes of Majid Nawaz and Dave Rubin. It's getting hard to do both but i'm a proud secular humanist and democratic socialist.

 

[Sunleader]

People also fail to recognise the problem of social cohesion, immigrant populations tend to segregate themselves, the consequences over the generations are dangerous, we see parts of London, Birmingham, Bradford, Paris, Marseilles, and parts of Belgium, Netherlands and Sweden, that are almost no go areas for non Muslims (part of the reason i voted remain is that eastern European immigration hasn't been that bad). These are facts that the regressive part of the political left either ignore or refuse to acknowledge.
I myself am a lefty, i refer people who think i'm a bigot, to Majid Nawaz, he did a few quality interviews lately, the Rubin report on youtube and on Bill Maher, mr Nawaz describes the problem faced by reasonable leftys such as myself, who are hit by accusations from all sides, the right naturally despise our views, and our own left wing allies dismiss us as bigots. I personally try to walk a line between "progressive" Corbyn/Sanders/TYT politics and the more secular minded approach of the likes of Majid Nawaz and Dave Rubin. It's getting hard to do both but i'm a proud secular humanist and democratic socialist.

NO lol
The Terror Attacks. And thats something you can see from where they happen most. Because its not Sweden and Germany which is constantly attacked.
Are because Immigrants are Demonized. Lose Perspective and start considering the System and other People Enemies.

And as you know.
The Enemy of your Enemy is your Friend.
So this sort of behavior. Especially the behavior of the UK Government which has been catering to the Far Right so much lately. Is an Surefire Way to drive People into ISIS Arms.


Its Hilarious how People pretty much keep beating people into a corner and then are surprised that these people would listen to others that tell em how your evil and hate them and that the only way to change it is to fight back

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

NO lol
The Terror Attacks. And thats something you can see from where they happen most. Because its not Sweden and Germany which is constantly attacked.
Are because Immigrants are Demonized. Lose Perspective and start considering the System and other People Enemies.

And as you know.
The Enemy of your Enemy is your Friend.
So this sort of behavior. Especially the behavior of the UK Government which has been catering to the Far Right so much lately. Is an Surefire Way to drive People into ISIS Arms.


Its Hilarious how People pretty much keep beating people into a corner and then are surprised that these people would listen to others that tell em how your evil and hate them and that the only way to change it is to fight back

So you are just going to laugh me off ? Will you at least watch one of the Majid Nawaz interviews i suggested, or anything from quilliam ? Maybe have a little bit of an open mind to understrand my point. Please.

 

[Sunleader]

So you are just going to laugh me off ? Will you at least watch one of the Majid Nawaz interviews i suggested, or anythig from quilliam ? Maybe have a little bit of an open mind to understrand my point. Please.

Ok.
In the sense of demonstrating the willingness. I tried to Watch some of these.
Unfortunately.
After Watching a Few. A Problem I find is that most of these Interviews basicly consist of the Moderator praising him all the time while the Guy himself pretty much just talks around the bush without ever saying anything.
Now for Fairness. I just took the few latest Videos. Which means the reason he talks around it might be because he made some Statements before which he is Praised for but did not repeat them anywhere as he was more busy with that Moderator Praising Him.


As Such. Would you mind to Provide the Interview or Video in Question in which the People you mentioned actually state their Positions ?
I assume that would help way more than me watching 100 random Videos which might or might not actually mention his concrete statements.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

Ok.
In the sense of demonstrating the willingness. I tried to Watch some of these.
Unfortunately.
After Watching a Few. A Problem I find is that most of these Interviews basicly consist of the Moderator praising him all the time while the Guy himself pretty much just talks around the bush without ever saying anything.
Now for Fairness. I just took the few latest Videos. Which means the reason he talks around it might be because he made some Statements before which he is Praised for but did not repeat them anywhere as he was more busy with that Moderator Praising Him.


As Such. Would you mind to Provide the Interview or Video in Question in which the People you mentioned actually state their Positions ?
I assume that would help way more than me watching 100 random Videos which might or might not actually mention his concrete statements.

I have just started a thread for this, in which i stated that i'm not sure if or how i can link videos from xbox, but there are plenty of debate videos on youtube in which there is no blanket praise. (new thread titled: the battle within the left).

 

[Sunleader]

I have just started a thread for this, in which i stated that i'm not sure if or how i can link videos from xbox, but there are plenty of debate videos on youtube in which there is no blanket praise. (new thread titled: the battle within the left).

I Have yet to find a Single one.
And Sorry but I wont be searching through hundreds of Videos to find the Gold Nugget in a Pile of ****

Feel Free to Provide Links on Youtube. You know the Videos after all so you should be able to tell it on a Glance.
Moreover I assume names will be similar on Youtube as they are on XBOX

 

[Yaffle]

More on the EU army thing...

http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/...audev.facebook.ref.zeitde.redpost_zon.link.sf

(I have no idea about Zeit's reliability)

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

I Have yet to find a Single one.
And Sorry but I wont be searching through hundreds of Videos to find the Gold Nugget in a Pile of ****

Feel Free to Provide Links on Youtube. You know the Videos after all so you should be able to tell it on a Glance.
Moreover I assume names will be similar on Youtube as they are on XBOX

I just typed in Majid Nawaz debate, there were plenty, you would need to be trying not to see them.

 

[Sunleader]

I just typed in Majid Nawaz debate, there were plenty, you would need to be trying not to see them.

If the first entries of typing thar there are what you wanted me to see. Then well.
I see a guy which is talking alot without saying anything.

Hes baking up cliches and biasses and complains about others having an different opinion.


If thats the videos you wanted me to see thats fine.
But then i have to say you wasted my time with another guy just complaining without making any suggestions.

More on the EU army thing...

http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/...audev.facebook.ref.zeitde.redpost_zon.link.sf

(I have no idea about Zeit's reliability)

Its not an total cheese paper at least

Its also interesting that they seem to be doing advertising for EU Army by showing benefits.

 

[Sunleader]

On the EU Army thing

I think it might be this
https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/eu-leaders-hail-historic-step-in-defence-cooperation/

Other sources like Sputnik also seem to interprete it as an military buildup.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

If the first entries of typing thar there are what you wanted me to see. Then well.
I see a guy which is talking alot without saying anything.

Hes baking up cliches and biasses and complains about others having an different opinion.


If thats the videos you wanted me to see thats fine.
But then i have to say you wasted my time with another guy just complaining without making any suggestions.



Its not an total cheese paper at least

Its also interesting that they seem to be doing advertising for EU Army by showing benefits.

Ok, lets take the video titled "majid Nawaz, Mehdi Hassan and Mo Ansar lock horns" on bbc newsnight. Here is a 10 minute video showing a genuine liberal Muslim getting criticism for trying to do good, Mr Nawaz is part of a foundation called Quilliam, which was set up to combat extremism, Nawaz is accused by the other two lefties on the panel, of being an extremist for re tweeting offensive pictures of someones fantasy friend, and Nawaz himself is an actual Muslim. Surely you recognise the unfair, counter productive nature of the reaction to mr Nawaz from the left, we should be helping people like him.

 

[Sunleader]

Ok, lets take the video titled "majid Nawaz, Mehdi Hassan and Mo Ansar lock horns" on bbc newsnight. Here is a 10 minute video showing a genuine liberal Muslim getting criticism for trying to do good, Mr Nawaz is part of a foundation called Quilliam, which was set up to combat extremism, Nawaz is accused by the other two lefties on the panel, of being an extremist for re tweeting offensive pictures of someones fantasy friend, and Nawaz himself is an actual Muslim. Surely you recognise the unfair, counter productive nature of the reaction to mr Nawaz from the left, we should be helping people like him.

........ ok.....
Mate no Offense to you.
But it seems I have not been clear enough there.

If YOU want me to watch a Video.
Then YOU should provide a link to this Video.

IF it is too much work for YOU to provide such a Link.
Then it is entirely unreasonable to expect that others would search that video for themselves.

What your doing there is extremely rude and also not very trustworthy. As you keep talking about some video to support your points but make no effort to provide it even after repeated request.


So lets be clear.
If you want me to watch a video then link it here.
If you cant be bothered looking for a link to that video.
Then i am not going to bother with it either.


Greetz

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

........ ok.....
Mate no Offense to you.
But it seems I have not been clear enough there.

If YOU want me to watch a Video.
Then YOU should provide a link to this Video.

IF it is too much work for YOU to provide such a Link.
Then it is entirely unreasonable to expect that others would search that video for themselves.

What your doing there is extremely rude and also not very trustworthy. As you keep talking about some video to support your points but make no effort to provide it even after repeated request.


So lets be clear.
If you want me to watch a video then link it here.
If you cant be bothered looking for a link to that video.
Then i am not going to bother with it either.


Greetz

As i have said, i can't link it on my xbox, if it's possible then i don't know how. I have given a youtube title since that's all i can think to do, i was not trying to be rude.

 

[Sunleader]

As i have said, i can't link it on my xbox, if it's possible then i don't know how. I have given a youtube title since that's all i can think to do, i was not trying to be rude.

You can obviously use a browser.
So you can also use youtube.
Worst case use your smartphone.

If its too much work then dont expect others to make that effort.

 

[TheAntitheist Crusader]

You can obviously use a browser.
So you can also use youtube.
Worst case use your smartphone.

If its too much work then dont expect others to make that effort.

You are assuming that i have a smartphone, i don't, and believe me when i say that i have been trying to figure it out through my xbox browser, it's not too much work, i'm actually still trying to figure it out, back when i had a PC it was as simple as a few clicks.