Anti griefer CG suicide-winder interdiction units...

[kofeyh]

Wrong.

I would have added arguments, but they were ignored the other 2 times I debunked this claim, so not going to bother.

Same coin, different sides. Interdicting the same player repeatedly in order to interrupt (regardless of what they are doing) is potentially harassment. If you do that to shoot at them, or not, doesn't really change that it's mass interdiction of the same commander for 'purposes'. It's the same thing. It's the same thing. That it's the same thing isn't in question; it's the usual justifications and emotional baggage that come with it that have created so many pages.

Frontier don't ultimately care, though. Particularly if this is within the bounds of a CG system. The developer built the interdiction module on purpose. It's designed to be used. Unless it's creating server breaking issues or compromising the client? It's all fair game. They have barely even responded to the pad mining thing yet. Almost certainly at once find it at both amusing, and a little bit naughty. It's creative and Frontier does tend to like people being creative. To an extent, at least.

One day, commanders are going to realise that frontier actually thrives off the conflict within their player base (it generates a lot of buzz, energy and excitement) and that they are far from squeaky clean in motivation. But I don't think that day will come any time soon. Why? When people are fighting each other and not the dev? They can get work done. I'm not sure that's entirely a coincidence.

lol. as you were. o7

 

[sovapid]

Just to be clear, if you ever hear me use the word "griefer" it's really because of a lack a better term. Tbh, I think these guys are doing a community service by being willing to be branded as Wanted. I mean, without them the game would be pretty boring.

Completely agree. Can't have "good" guys if there aren't any "bad" guys.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Same coin, different sides. Interdicting the same player repeatedly in order to interrupt (regardless of what they are doing) is potentially harassment.

When a specific player is targeted it could be harassment. When the target is keeping a system clear of undesirables it isn't.

Here's the quote from the OP

The idea being to buy a stock sidewinder in the CG station, fit a B or C class cheapish interdictor and continually interdict pilots who are behaving in an antisocial way.

Pilots who are behaving in an anti social way. Not targeting a player, it's targeting "pilots who are behaving in an antisocial way". This could be one, if only one is behaving in an anti-social way, and it could be 100's if 100's are behaving in an anti-social way.

 

[VR Jay Le Chardon]

I quite like the idea of these kamikaze knights going into CG's knowing they are going to get splattered across rebuy screens left right and centre but still snagging known killers just because it will annoy them and buy legitimate traders more time and more chance of getting through the blockades. When I start playing the game again, I've got a couple of racers / acrobatics ships that I might join you with, I'm thinking that for added fun rather than interdicting in a sidey knowing you are going to get splatted, slap an interdictor on a racer and see if I can runaway to supercruise before getting vapourised.

 

[your mom]

I quite like the idea of these kamikaze knights going into CG's knowing they are going to get splattered across rebuy screens left right and centre but still snagging known killers just because it will annoy them and buy legitimate traders more time and more chance of getting through the blockades.

Good summation... that's a better justification than any ganker would have for killing trade ships without taking their cargo. I guess it isn't griefing any more, just legitimate gameplay...

 

[jasonbarron]

When a specific player is targeted it could be harassment. When the target is keeping a system clear of undesirables it isn't.

Here's the quote from the OP

Pilots who are behaving in an anti social way. Not targeting a player, it's targeting "pilots who are behaving in an antisocial way". This could be one, if only one is behaving in an anti-social way, and it could be 100's if 100's are behaving in an anti-social way.

That's just a cute way of saying it's okay when I grief because I'm me and my motives are pure, but it's not okay when YOU grief because you're, well, you're you, and let's face it, you're a mess.

Out of curiosity Ziggy, can we expect to see you engaging in this behavior in Open in the future? I haven't done any CG's in a while, but I would start again for that.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That's just a cute way of saying it's okay when I grief because I'm me and my motives are pure, but it's not okay when YOU grief because you're, well, you're you, and let's face it, you're a mess.

Is that a cute way of saying: good argument Ziggy, I have no response to that, so I think I'll have to deflect?

edit: by the way, if you'd tried to understand what I wrote, it would have as a consequence that I don't see people trying to disrupt a CG as harassment either. But I'm sure you're convinced I want to ruin Open and run PvP out of town

Out of curiosity Ziggy, can we expect to see you engaging in this behavior in Open in the future? I haven't done any CG's in a while, but I would start again for that.

Nope. I will not interdict or block anyone. I'm letting people be.

I also stopped playing a week ago, which might be a bigger obstacle.

 

[jasonbarron]

Is that a cute way of saying: good argument Ziggy, I have no response to that, so I think I'll have to deflect?


Nope. I will not interdict or block anyone. I'm letting people be.

I also stopped playing a week ago, which might be a bigger obstacle.

No, I'm not deflecting. I think you're point of view on this matter is very....one sided.

"It's okay to grief the bad guys because they're bad guys so anything goes. It's ok when I use Quince or Sothis/Ceos to make money, earn rewards or score mad rank with the Superpowers at a rate beyond what the dev's intended. It's totally cool for me to chain interdict the 'bad guys' because I'm a good guy."


This forum is just running the business as usual of picking winners and losers. Personally, I just wish all of you guys would learn to grow up and just get along. Griefing is no more cool when you do it than when I do it.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

No, I'm not deflecting. I think you're point of view on this matter is very....one sided.

"It's okay to grief the bad guys because they're bad guys so anything goes. It's ok when I use Quince or Sothis/Ceos to make money, earn rewards or score mad rank with the Superpowers at a rate beyond what the dev's intended. It's totally cool for me to chain interdict the 'bad guys' because I'm a good guy."

Why are you paraphrasing (twice now) when you can quote me? Because what you're paraphrasing is nowhere near what I wrote.

May I suggest reading what I write and respond to that?

 

[your mom]

I agree that, though coming from very different points of view, both actions could be construed as griefing (even though one is a reaction to the other, and otherwise wouldn't be happening). The most important point being, both are allowed and even condoned by the game. This is why I've spent the last 6 months respeccing (sp?) all my ships. Since griefing (as I would define it) is allowed by the game that i love playing, I'm going to have to play within those parameters.... and give some back!

or die many many times trying... I'm trying to convince myself that the rebuy screen is my friend and that I'm learning each time!

 

[jasonbarron]

Why are you paraphrasing (twice now) when you can quote me? Because what you're paraphrasing is nowhere near what I wrote.

May I suggest reading what I write and respond to that?

I'm quoting AND paraphrasing, so bofem!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm quoting AND paraphrasing, so bofem!

You're quoting, then paraphrasing, then reacting only at the paraphrase.

All the while missing the little issue that what I wrote means that when 'bad guys' are trying to disrupt a CG, I also don't consider that harassment. So the bad guy/good guy distinction you are trying to shove in my shoes exists only in your head, not in my argument.

But I'm of course trying to ruin Open and run PvPers out of town