Any grind, is in your mind.

As opinion - of course :)

But.. it's not an opinion. It's objective fact.

I'm not saying the game is bad because of it. I'm not saying I refuse to play because of it, I'm just saying that a grind exists within the game.

This thread has gone well beyond proving that it depends entirely on how you perceive your in-game time, what your goals are and how you pursue them, but the bottom line is the fact that grind does indeed exist within the game.

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Can we just focus on this for a second?

"Sarcasm"
 
"Grind exists within Elite."

Is this acceptable?


Well it's a play style, would you accept that it is possible to play elite and not feel like your grinding, because thats what many of us are expressing. if we accept that you feel it's grindy can you accept that we don't then we can have peace:)
 
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But.. it's not an opinion. It's objective fact.

No, it's not. Grind by definition used in this instance is subjective, loaded term. Then we disagree on term itself, which is nonstarter for discusson in first place.

As I said, stop pushing 'my opinion is a fact' line. It is not.

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Can we just focus on this for a second?

I didn't compute that sentence if I am frank.
 
Any misrepresentation is squarely based in your imagination I'm afraid. Stop projecting and then blaming me for it ;)

I can claim the game is a grind on the opinion of others. When so many people describe the game as a grind, it's a grind and a negative one. We can see it's a grind too by looking at the game mechanics for the set goals in the game - grindy, without a doubt. Ok so you want to grind for 10 years instead of a year. You go from one game mdoe to another because you get bored of doing them repeatedly - that's grind! You're just disguising it by rotating the things you can do..

From what you try to impose in the above I can only assume that life must be very grindy for you. Having to breath all the time, eat and drink too... No doubt to mix things up you try eating different things - break up your routine, to avoid the grind of your life...

When so many people say it's not a grind, it's a choice - It is then a choice - not once in the game are you set a goal you have to achieve that you cannot ignore. All of these supposed grind mechanics you moan and groan about are your choice to do - If you think the entire game is like that then you know where the door is.
 
Can we just focus on this for a second?


FD make the game and more people have stopped playing than bought it.


I can't fathom that statement is it just me or does it not make any sense?

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No, it's not. Grind by definition used in this instance is subjective, loaded term. Then we disagree on term itself, which is nonstarter for discusson in first place.

As I said, stop pushing 'my opinion is a fact' line. It is not.

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I didn't compute that sentence if I am frank.


Now i'm more confused are you Fennster or Frank:)
 
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Jex =TE=

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Wow the word grind used 7 times in two lines, someones got it bad. lol Now we have a winner.

But please explain how more people have stopped playing than bought it or can i assume that makes sense to you?

WElcome to my ignore list. You constantly prove you cannot keep up with the conversation and instead, have to make        replies back to what? Make yourself look big? Well done, you did, you're amazing - bye!
 
Well it's a play style, would you accept that it is possible to play elite and not feel like your grinding, because thats what many of us are expressing.

I absolutely can accept that.

No, it's not. Grind by definition used in this instance is subjective, loaded term. Then we disagree on term itself, which is nonstarter for discusson in first place.

As I said, stop pushing 'my opinion is a fact' line. It is not.

Grind, by definition:

Grinding is a term used in video gaming to describe the process of engaging in repetitive tasks

You're the one refuting any opinion not in line with your own. I am merely stating that grind, as a mechanic, exists in this game.

Here's another definition for grinding from techopedia.

Grinding refers to the playing time spent doing repetitive tasks within a game to unlock a particular game item or to build the experience needed to progress smoothly through the game. Grinding most commonly involves killing the same set of opponents over and over in order to gain experience points or gold. Although other game genres require some grinding, role-playing games (RPG) – specifically massively multiplayer online role-playing games – are the most notorious for requiring this type of time investment from players.

Repetitive tasks to achieve a goal. Whether that goal is financial gain (credits), reputation gain (Levels/rank) or Engineering focused (mods/rares), each requires a grind if you are pursuing that, even if your pursuit is light (like mine).

I roam the bubble looking for fun things to do and have for over a year. Right now I'm looking at increasing my fed rep. I also looked back fondly on the early days of the game where flying around Imp systems, running bounties, playing courier or dropping off supplies to various stations led to rank increase within the Empire relatively fast. Before a month had passed I had worked my way up to Knight without even trying.

Your denial is cute, Eagleboy, but in the end you just make yourself look silly with your adamant refusals to accept what is simple fact.
 

FD make the game and more people have stopped playing than bought it.


I can't fathom that statement is it just me or does it not make any sense?


It could make sense: X customers bought the game. X+y played the game with y being friends and family members who shared access to the game account. X+y stopped playing.

To make the statement true X+y needs to be bigger than the current number of active players Z. Since Z is a sub-group of X, y has to be bigger than X+Z.

I'm quite sure that this is not what the commenter meant while typing those words :D
 
WElcome to my ignore list. You constantly prove you cannot keep up with the conversation and instead, have to make        replies back to what? Make yourself look big? Well done, you did, you're amazing - bye!

What a clown. I accept you're ignore with honor, anyone feel free to quote me i love a parting blow.
 
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Jex =TE=

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I'm not projecting though, I clearly said 'despite your claims this game also has a name for itself as an innovative, beautiful and varied space game/sim', you cherry picked the visuals element and said 'yes the game looks amazing - if that's all you need out of a "game" is looks then we're obviously at odds', so, yeah, a clear misrepresentation in terms of cherry picking and nothing to do with 'imagination', 'projection' or 'blaming'.

You are free to claim the game is a grind in yours and some others opinion, there is no problem with that, you cannot claim that 'the game is grindy' on a global scale because it is pure opinion.

Let's say you do not like football Jex, you find it 'boring', does that mean football is boring to you or that football is globally boring and anyone liking it is wrong?

Le's say you don't like fish Jex, does that mean that nobody can like fish because Jex thinks it tastes 'boring'?

Let's say you do not like Elite Dangerous Jex, because it is 'grindy', does that make it universally grindy beyond doubt or is that just yours, (and some others), opinion?

This is where you were projecting.

That you are not looking at others opinions besides those that agree with you proves your subjectivity not any objectivity.

There have been several posts here pointing out exactly how it's grind. The responses by those of you refusing to accept it is "it's your opinion" - can we change that record or perhaps could you all start providing a robust rebuttal of everything that we've taken the time to explain here? We've told you the game's game mechanics are a grind - that is a fact. If you can't understand what is being said, let's just move on - it's cool :)

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Why? I made a slight error in typing so sue me. You want to distract the conversation with this riubbish? That's the level of intellect you want to take it too? Could you not understand what I meant when I said that? Shame on you.
 
I absolutely can accept that.



Grind, by definition:



You're the one refuting any opinion not in line with your own. I am merely stating that grind, as a mechanic, exists in this game.

Here's another definition for grinding from techopedia.



Repetitive tasks to achieve a goal. Whether that goal is financial gain (credits), reputation gain (Levels/rank) or Engineering focused (mods/rares), each requires a grind if you are pursuing that, even if your pursuit is light (like mine).

I roam the bubble looking for fun things to do and have for over a year. Right now I'm looking at increasing my fed rep. I also looked back fondly on the early days of the game where flying around Imp systems, running bounties, playing courier or dropping off supplies to various stations led to rank increase within the Empire relatively fast. Before a month had passed I had worked my way up to Knight without even trying.

Your denial is cute, Eagleboy, but in the end you just make yourself look silly with your adamant refusals to accept what is simple fact.


For my part thank you.
 

Jex =TE=

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From what you try to impose in the above I can only assume that life must be very grindy for you. Having to breath all the time, eat and drink too... No doubt to mix things up you try eating different things - break up your routine, to avoid the grind of your life...

When so many people say it's not a grind, it's a choice - It is then a choice - not once in the game are you set a goal you have to achieve that you cannot ignore. All of these supposed grind mechanics you moan and groan about are your choice to do - If you think the entire game is like that then you know where the door is.

The gaming industry says you're wrong and don't make such asinine responses. If you have no rebuttal to our massive posts trying to explain it to you, then we're not going anywhere. You can't understand it, let's move on :)

Additional: I don't grind if that's what you think I do. ED game mechanics are way too boring and simple to be able to do any one thing for any length of time. I like to roam and do my own thing and take my time....in a game that has challenging, intelligent gameplay - not easy peasy mode all the time.
 
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This dicscussion is starting to get filled with more 'personal' posts, which is usually a sign that the discussion is coming to an end.

Please remember to argue the point, not the person. Thank you.
 
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