Any New Plans on ED ? Or is it still Maintenance Mode without any Future ?

[Sunleader]

Yes.


No.

Same Answer as always.
Pls go ahead and tell us which new Content is in Development.

As usual.
Pls no Personal Beliefs or Interpretations of some Vague Statement that could possibly be Interpreted as something you like. But only actual Announcements or Statements of New Content being Developed.

That is great to hear, because according to many other people definitions in this thread Elite is indeed not in maintenance mode and is being developed, which is good news. Good to know you are ok with that.


Ok, so your definition was not very accurate in the first place then. If you now say that 2-3 months of silence is not enough for you to say that is Maintenance Mode then how many months it is necessary according to your definition?


But, as we discussed above many other people definitions state that Elite is not in maintenance mode and that FDEV is indeed developing gameplay and content primarily through the narrative updates and major feature overhaul coming, both elements already announced.

So I guess we are at an impasse.


That is not true, plenty of occasions where FDEV has simply mentioned that "something" was coming without saying what. For example 2.4 The Return didn´t have any description and for a long time no one knew what it had. Only after launch the narrative based new AX content and gameplay was seen. Same with Guardian engineering gameplay which was never unveiled until it was upon us. The same is happening now with the upcoming narrative updates. Also, in terms of previous feature overhauls, when Beyond was announced in 2017 there was a mention to improve core gameplay, and mining and explo were cited as an exemple, that is it. There were barely any details about the actual gameplay and content that would bring. We only really learnt about it upon launch. The same is happening now with the 2023 major feature overhaul FDEV has confirmed is developing. No details, but FDEV track record in those mining and explo updates suggests that what is coming, similarly, is not maintenance mode at all.


I didn´t say FDEV track record is underwhelming. To the contrary, when I mentioned the mining and exploration overhauls I stated that those were for the most part really well received and appreciated. And they were not minor. Elite mining in particular, and imho, is now arguably probably among the best mining in gaming.


But FDEV have not mentioned community events or Galnet. They have explicitly mentioned 2 narrative based updates, in August and November. The 2.4 The Return update, and most of Beyond where all the Guardian gameplay and associated modules flourished, in particular, are great examples. And which in addition to all the "decorative" narrative element of Thargoids coming back brought with it one of the gameplay elements with most depth and complexity in Elite: AX ship engineering and combat. And one of the most popular player groups around, the AXI. Not only that but all the surrounding content related to guardian ruins, beacons, Ram Tah missions, stations repair and a large etc of actual gameplay requiring development... All on the back of "narrative".

Just to sum it up:

• I hope we now at least agree that your definition of maintenance mode is far from the only one, and many other people definitions indicate Elite is indeed far from maintenance mode.
• Just remember FDEV track record with regards to major feature overhauls with mining and exploration. These were not maintenance mode.
• Just remember that some of the largest chunks of new game play and content developed by FDEV in Elite, including the spark of some of the most popular player groups around that gameplay and content, come precisely from "narrative". AX content and gameplay is not maintenance mode.

Of course, you could also be right, and what FDEV has announced may amount to nothing in the end. But, as I described above, previous FDEV track record at least (not speculation, not vague ideas), in principle suggests otherwise.

Since alot of that is once more Hung up on the Definition pls let me make this Clear once again.

I am NOT interested in Convincing anyone of my definition or suspicions. You can belief whatever you want, Interprete the statements however you want. And even Speculate on whats coming however you want. But thats not what I am asking for.
I want Information based on my Definition. Thats the Request I am making.
Providing Information based on my Definition is not because mine is right and yours is wrong or something. Its purely a matter of usability by me because I somehow have to Define what Information I want. So I dont end up with tons of useless Information I dont want. (A really difficult task it seems as perfectly demonstrated above again. Where Stuart once more gives me useless Information I dont want. Demanding that I change my Definition and Accept his Information as the Sole Truth of the World)
I do not ask you change your Definitions or Agree to my Opinions on that Information. I merely ask you provide the Information keeping in mind that I will use my Definition to Judge it.
As such trying to Argue about the Information being different based on your Definition over Mine is not useful and will not result in any progress.
Because just like I am not Interested in Convincing you of my Definition. I am also NOT interested in being Convinced of your definition or beliefs.

I just want Information on potential Announcements, In Stream Statements etc. That would announce Future Content Development.




As for the other thing.
Pls note I am not keeping track by Version Numbers. So I dont remember what Version Number is related to which Update.
But just for Reference. Over a Year before Odyssey was Announced. We always were told in Streams and QAs that something is coming.
We didnt know what it was. And Speculation Ran Wild sometimes. (actually prompting a Discussion of mine with another Mod about Speculation. And that Frontier cant complain if the Community Speculates like Crazy when they dont share Information on what is coming) But there was never a Doubt that something is coming.
Funny enough. I think most of us did not Expect Space Legs to actually even be a Serious Contender for what was coming.
But we always knew something was coming. We always got pointed out that the Team is Working hard on Future Content etc.

This is what I am missing here.

 

[StuartGT]

Same Answer as always.
Pls go ahead and tell us which new Content is in Development.

As usual.
Pls no Personal Beliefs or Interpretations of some Vague Statement that could possibly be Interpreted as something you like. But only actual Announcements or Statements of New Content being Developed.

People already have, many times during the 15 pages of this thread, yet you didn't care and just dismissed what those helpful people posted to inform you.

So instead I'll helpfully continue to reply to the thread's initial post:

Any New Plans on ED ?​

Has Frontier actually announced any actual Development Work being Planned for ED in the Future ?

Yes.

Or is it still Maintenance Mode without any Future ?​

Is it still just Bugfixing and stuff which is basicly Maintenance Mode.
Thus the Game basicly not being Developed anymore ?

No.

 

[Greasetrap42]

OP obviously asked a rhetorical question. Read the thread title for confirmation.

As a rhetorical question its just bait. Who cares? Either play the game or don't. Frontier is keeping their cards close right now. Fine. Lots of companies do. In a few months we will have more content or not. I can't fathom what else there is to discuss. Obviously the op wants to stretch this out and people are suckers for getting drawn in. -> Including me.

 

[Nikephorus Phocas]

The amount of people that have answered the OPs questions over and over just for OP to be dismissive and argumentative is quite obnoxious to say the least.

Bottom line I don't think the OP is interested in the discussion just the argue to argue. It was nice to see the level headed responses. I have no idea what maintenance mode really means anyway. As far as I have been playing the last few years I have never had the impression the game was dying or not being worked on.

So I have at least appreciated the explanations that ED is not really in whatever definition of Maintenance that is peddled by Doomsayers.

 

[Jack Winter]

IMO, it's all a big troll..

The OP is asking for something that none of us can give, and FDev won't, so in the end much ado about nothing.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

If you mean the Roadmap. Than Sorry. But they have not.
They have Announced to Overhaul some Key Features.
But we got no Info on what that means. It could mean Development. Or it might just mean some Balance Changes.

We are getting balance changes and development updates on these so called maintenance mode updates already, so no, if that was all it was, they wouldn't have announced it the way they did.

Thats actually something often done in Preparation for Maintenance Mode.
As Games when going into Maintenance Mode often Reduce the Grind and make it easier to reach certain things so that more People can reach it.
Effectively Simplifying things for People.

That's also what they do when leading up to a bigger expansion.

 

[Biff Stryker]

Doom trolls are the new Elite meta. How did I miss that?

 

[robbyp]

Your a bit behind the times. Doom troll have been here since before the game launched.

 

[Sunleader]

People already have, many times during the 15 pages of this thread, yet you didn't care and just dismissed what those helpful people posted to inform you.

So instead I'll helpfully continue to reply to the thread's initial post:


Yes.


No.

So you cant answer the Question.
Good. Next.

We are getting balance changes and development updates on these so called maintenance mode updates already, so no, if that was all it was, they wouldn't have announced it the way they did.


That's also what they do when leading up to a bigger expansion.

Which is Maintenance. Not new Content.
As said above. Please Stop trying to Convince me of your Interpretation pls. Its not leading anywhere. I am not Interested in being Convinced of your Interpretation of a Vague Statement.
If you want to Interprete it that way that is your given right. But not sharing that Interpretation is mine. And the Fact is ultimately its just an unclear interpretation of a vague statement.
So in terms of Information its not useful to me.

 

[robbyp]

So I think the thread is done. Let's leave it here

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Which is Maintenance. Not new Content.
As said above. Please Stop trying to Convince me of your Interpretation pls. Its not leading anywhere. I am not Interested in being Convinced of your Interpretation of a Vague Statement.
If you want to Interprete it that way that is your given right. But not sharing that Interpretation is mine. And the Fact is ultimately its just an unclear interpretation of a vague statement.
So in terms of Information its not useful to me.

It's not maintanance mode if the game is still in active development.

The term refers to the point in a software product's evolution when it is no longer competitive with other products or current with regard to the technology environment it operates within. In both cases, continued development is deemed unnecessary or ill-advised, but occasional bug fixes and security patches are still issued, hence the term maintenance mode. Maintenance mode often transitions to abandonware.

ED has not been abandoned and is still being developed as has been stated.

A major feature refresh is development, whether you like it or not. So therefore, it isn't in maintaining mode, as it is still in active development.

We just don't know exactly what that development entails.

 

[Sunleader]

It's not maintanance mode if the game is still in active development.

The term refers to the point in a software product's evolution when it is no longer competitive with other products or current with regard to the technology environment it operates within. In both cases, continued development is deemed unnecessary or ill-advised, but occasional bug fixes and security patches are still issued, hence the term maintenance mode. Maintenance mode often transitions to abandonware.

ED has not been abandoned and is still being developed as has been stated.

A major feature refresh is development, whether you like it or not. So therefore, it isn't in maintaining mode, as it is still in active development.

We just don't know exactly what that development entails.

Thats your Interpretation.
Mine is that this is simply preparation for going into Maintenance Mode next Year.

 

[Old Duck]

Now that the meaning of maintenance mode has been debated for 15 pages, maybe we can debate the meaning of "Doomsayer".

 

[thistle]

Pls no Personal Beliefs or Interpretations of some Vague Statement that could possibly be Interpreted as something you like.

Pls no Personal Beliefs or Interpretations of some Vague Statement that could possibly be Interpreted as something you dislike.

 

[thistle]

Now that the meaning of maintenance mode has been debated for 15 pages, maybe we can debate the meaning of "Doomsayer".

How are you getting on playing Odyssey?

 

[StuartGT]

So you cant answer the Question.
Good. Next.

Here are the answers to your questions:

Any New Plans on ED ?​

Has Frontier actually announced any actual Development Work being Planned for ED in the Future ?

Yes.

Or is it still Maintenance Mode without any Future ?​

Is it still just Bugfixing and stuff which is basicly Maintenance Mode.
Thus the Game basicly not being Developed anymore ?

No.

 

[Banana's_Are_Good_For_You]

We just don't know exactly what that development entails.

I think there's a reason for that as i don't think they want another 2019.
People knew beforehand what FC's were originally supposed to be but by the time they re-released it in 2020 it's design had fundamentally changed.
I imagine there was enough merit in the ideas presented from the discussins for FD to expand upon it, and we got something that caters for more playstyles, but it probably messed their plans a bit and ppl didn't like the delay due to the expanded development(MM cited again at that time).
I think that's one of the reasons they've changed tact, so the development doesn't get bogged down again and they can stay focused on the job in hand..
This community has always argued and if they were to offer a long term plan, they will always fight over which is more important and such.
That's just my perspective on why they have changed how they do things now.
Not saying it's true.

 

[metatheurgist]

Now that the meaning of maintenance mode has been debated for 15 pages, maybe we can debate the meaning of "Doomsayer".

This is something I can get into! You see the tradition of "Doom Saying" actually originates from Nordic tradition, not the 80s video game as so many believe. The word Doom does not actually relate to an End, it merely relates to Fate. So to Doom Say was to actually predict the future (read tea leaves) much like to Sooth Say. In the Nordic tradition, it was considered glorious to die in battle so unsurprising Doomsayers would sell that Fate (like CIG sells jpegs) to believers usually Kings and Leaders who wanted to die gloriously in battle and thus get laid by Valkyries. So there is a common misconception that to say something is Doomed, means that they are destined to Die, when it merely indicates that they have a destiny.

So ironically, Doomsayers are saying ED has a Future.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk. T-Shirts are available on the way out!

 

[Riverside]

This is something I can get into! You see the tradition of "Doom Saying" actually originates from Nordic tradition, not the 80s video game as so many believe. The word Doom does not actually relate to an End, it merely relates to Fate. So to Doom Say was to actually predict the future (read tea leaves) much like to Sooth Say. In the Nordic tradition, it was considered glorious to die in battle so unsurprising Doomsayers would sell that Fate (like CIG sells jpegs) to believers usually Kings and Leaders who wanted to die gloriously in battle and thus get laid by Valkyries. So there is a common misconception that to say something is Doomed, means that they are destined to Die, when it merely indicates that they have a destiny.

So ironically, Doomsayers are saying ED has a Future.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk. T-Shirts are available on the way out!

I like that no idea on its veracity though, I always understood 'doom' to be similar to 'disaster'.

 

[Sunleader]

I think there's a reason for that as i don't think they want another 2019.
People knew beforehand what FC's were originally supposed to be but by the time they re-released it in 2020 it's design had fundamentally changed.
I imagine there was enough merit in the ideas presented from the discussins for FD to expand upon it, and we got something that caters for more playstyles, but it probably messed their plans a bit and ppl didn't like the delay due to the expanded development(MM cited again at that time).
I think that's one of the reasons they've changed tact, so the development doesn't get bogged down again and they can stay focused on the job in hand..
This community has always argued and if they were to offer a long term plan, they will always fight over which is more important and such.
That's just my perspective on why they have changed how they do things now.
Not saying it's true.

Thats Possible. But in this case they cant Complain if People assume the Game to not be Developed anymore.
Needless to say it would also be a bad Decision in my Eyes. Because you end up Creating a Negative Expectation which means you will also miss out on alot of potential Advertising.
And. I mean dont get me wrong. But while having low Expectations means they dont need to keep Promises. It doesnt mean People will Accept Trash.
Even if they made no Lofty Promises. I would not have Played Odyssey. Because well. It simply did not work and was not really Playable due to insane Lags and Crashes.
So if they Deliver a Repeat of that. Even if they never raised Expectations. Its still gonna be Bad.

This is something I can get into! You see the tradition of "Doom Saying" actually originates from Nordic tradition, not the 80s video game as so many believe. The word Doom does not actually relate to an End, it merely relates to Fate. So to Doom Say was to actually predict the future (read tea leaves) much like to Sooth Say. In the Nordic tradition, it was considered glorious to die in battle so unsurprising Doomsayers would sell that Fate (like CIG sells jpegs) to believers usually Kings and Leaders who wanted to die gloriously in battle and thus get laid by Valkyries. So there is a common misconception that to say something is Doomed, means that they are destined to Die, when it merely indicates that they have a destiny.

So ironically, Doomsayers are saying ED has a Future.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk. T-Shirts are available on the way out!

Frankly I am not really Interested in Doomsaying.
Every few Months when I come back to ask this Question I still hope that some actual Announcement of Development for Future Content has been made.
Otherwise I would not be coming back every few Months to Poke the more Active People that unlike me keep track of News beyond the News Section.
(And Involuntarily the White Knights which never provide anything useful but each single time decide that someone who doesnt worship their Holy Grail must be Converted to be a Believer into the Holy Church of Frontier being a Perfect Company that will never Abandon ED etc etc)

However.
Frontier Suffered a Major Setback with Odyssey.
The Earning Potential of ED has Suffered alot.
As such the Question of wether FDev will Sign off on further Content Development for ED is something I see far less Optimistic than many of you seem to See it.
Frontier is still a Company. And if further Development for ED is no longer considered Profitable. Frontier will cease Development.
It likely wont Announce that until much later. Because that would reduce Profits from the Existing Game even further.
But frankly. The Pigheaded Refusal of Acknowledging this Option being Possible. Is baffling to me.