Any way to separate EDH and EDO?

What!! Seriously !!
I had the impression that ED was to be an online game only, right from very early in the kickstarter. But from what you are saying FD were saying, ED would have an offline mode right up until launch. That is outright deception! They must have known that was the case many months before launch.

What a nasty thing to do! I'm shocked and my opinion of FD has fallen even further than the already very low regard I had for the ethics of the company! 😡
Seriously.

To be fair, ED KickStarter was launched as Windows only :) online game by Frontier.

Suggestions were then made about an offline version and OS X versions. Frontier said we'll look into it and did indeed shortly before the Alpha decide that the off line version wasn't practical.

Thus followed the first great bust up.
 
I did discover Evochron Legacy SE, which has VR, Newtonian flight physics, multiplayer, and multiple controller compatibility! I'll let you know if it's a viable replacement. :D
I think a lot more people in this forum should purchase Evochron Legacy and give it a serious go.

Being the only other game series for the past couple decades that ticks the same boxes that ED does, playing Evochron would certainly be an invaluable lesson about perspective and taking things for granted for all those constantly complaining about ED and FDEV. :)
 
I think a lot more people in this forum should purchase Evochron Legacy and give it a serious go.

Being the only other game series for the past couple decades that ticks the same boxes that ED does, playing Evochron would certainly be an invaluable lesson about perspective and taking things for granted for all those constantly complaining about ED and FDEV. :)

I think the ED community has quite a long history of sniffing their own farts, for sure, but I strongly disagree that expecting a modicum of professionalism from a company that you are a customer of is "taking things for granted". The state of Odyssey's release is wholly unacceptable, and everyone should be kicking the out of FDev for another in a long history of mediocre product deliveries. I wish my customers had the same patience and fanaticism as FDev panderers.

It's a wonderful game despite the efforts of FDev over the past four years, largely because the core flight system and Stellar Forge are so good. I don't mind if they ultimately decide to take the game in a direction that doesn't meet my needs - i.e. with the new planet tech - but to say that people are taking FDev for granted when they expect them to actually functionally support their MMO is utterly obsequious.

I've run through the tutorial of Evochron. It's a meaty to be sure; leans much more heavily into the sim than the action-adventure of Elite. I'm having about the same time as I had with Elite when I tried to figure out what all the buttons did, haha! The flight engine is great, but I haven't been able to explore a huge amount of planets to find what I need. I think it may be a little too simmy for my hooning needs, but also I might just be an awful pilot. It took me dozens of hours to become semi-competent in FA Off in Elite xD

The good news is I have Fly Dangerous for my wozzing about now!
 
I think the ED community has quite a long history of sniffing their own farts, for sure, but I strongly disagree that expecting a modicum of professionalism from a company that you are a customer of is "taking things for granted". The state of Odyssey's release is wholly unacceptable, and everyone should be kicking the out of FDev for another in a long history of mediocre product deliveries. I wish my customers had the same patience and fanaticism as FDev panderers.

It's a wonderful game despite the efforts of FDev over the past four years, largely because the core flight system and Stellar Forge are so good. I don't mind if they ultimately decide to take the game in a direction that doesn't meet my needs - i.e. with the new planet tech - but to say that people are taking FDev for granted when they expect them to actually functionally support their MMO is utterly obsequious.

People take things for granted when they moan for years about almost everything in ED, even though as you can see there is absolutely no other game in a pair of decades that has even attempted what FD has done (unless we consider SC a game). That's the reason why even the it's most adamant haters never leave (except Bazmeson). People usually whine and moan about things in ED that no other game has ever even done, it's ridiculous.

Ultimately, if ED didn't exist, the second best in line would be Evochron Legacy. If that's not reason to cut FD a bit of slack and give them the benefit of the doubt, then I don't know what is. In fact, I suspect that nobody who will disagree with me on this matter will actually go ahead and ditch ED for Evochron. :)

People may look at ED and FDEV as some kind of evil people out to steal their cash while delivering the "wust game evah" or "worst planetary tech evah", evil capitalists and similar loads of bovine excrement, or they can look at FD as the people who cared to deliver what is today, by many orders of magnitude, the best game in the genre (even with it's many warts), which has been continually improved, while pretty much every other game studio didn't give 2 farts about proper space sims.

While FD has undoubtly botched the release, the amount of vitriol aimed at the devs on a daily basis is absolutely disgusting and it says a lot more about the ones hurling the insults and about the devs, and while some of the criticism is fair and true, much of it is disingenious to say the least.


I've run through the tutorial of Evochron. It's a meaty to be sure; leans much more heavily into the sim than the action-adventure of Elite. I'm having about the same time as I had with Elite when I tried to figure out what all the buttons did, haha! The flight engine is great, but I haven't been able to explore a huge amount of planets to find what I need. I think it may be a little too simmy for my hooning needs, but also I might just be an awful pilot. It took me dozens of hours to become semi-competent in FA Off in Elite xD

The good news is I have Fly Dangerous for my wozzing about now!

Evochron is still a decent game, made by a brilliant but single dev, who single handedly kept this genre alive for over a decade. Still, as you can see for yourself, it's lightyears behind ED in pretty much everything except the flight model which is also good. You won't be having much hooning, or canyon racing, or wonderful planets, or even much of anything in Evochron, compared to ED.
 
I've run through the tutorial of Evochron. It's a meaty to be sure; leans much more heavily into the sim than the action-adventure of Elite. I'm having about the same time as I had with Elite when I tried to figure out what all the buttons did, haha! The flight engine is great, but I haven't been able to explore a huge amount of planets to find what I need.

Once you get through the tutorials and can control your ship, you've pretty much seen what Evochron has to offer. It has no content. I'd still be playing it otherwise.

People may look at ED and FDEV as some kind of evil people out to steal their cash...

I'm not going to go out and say they're evil, but they did lie to everyone to get that sweet pre-order cash.

"Ingame footage . . . similar performance to EDH . . . preorder now!"

Do all the gymnastics ya want, but they knowingly lied to everyone with their PR to get wallets open. That's far worse than the code/content issues.

Until they come out and apologize for lying, I have no reason to trust a word from FD. They have proven they'll lie to all of their customers if it suits them, and liars never turn honest because people ate their lies.
 
People take things for granted...

I mean, your post is a wonderful real-life example of the word "obsequious", so I appreciate that. :ROFLMAO:

I find the argument that "you won't get any better so you'll never leave" is a sound point genuinely funny in a kind of heart-breaking way. It's like when people don't vote or lobby because "hey, at least we don't live in [perceived worse country]!".This is literally the language of a toady, mate. You're allowed to enjoy a thing whilst questioning its quality or the commitment of its creators. I'm a big fan of cocoa puffs, but they are literally bad for you and honestly not actually that great tasting. I'm not gonna turn myself inside-out if someone points that out. You can actually demand better from people, and it's completely appropriate and good to do so when they continuously disappoint you.

It's entirely appropriate to voice concerns about half-completed features, permanent bugs, and deliberately misleading marketing. The mental gymnastics required to argue against that principle is awe-inspiring. ED is a sound base model in the hands of incompetent management and updates have consistently been subpar, disjointed, and ultimately just empty features. This has been fine as the base game is outstandingly fun; the only reason I'm now making a complaint is because the latest update will break my particular gameplay.

You and I disagree on the definition of "improve". New things bolted on that don't affect or relate to the core loop are not improvements; they're window dressing built to appease people looking for a new shiny, and I can certainly see it's been effective to a number here. Beyond was the last actual improvement, in that it made significant adjustments to the base game. I think Fleet Carriers have a lot of potential, but are not significant in their current state to constitute an improvement.

I've seen no vitriol towards to devs, but I'm not a regular here. I've seen anger directed to management, which is correct and appropriate. If I mess about in my job, even if it's my staff that make a mistake, I am the one who gets chewed out for it because it's my responsibility to ensure the quality of my service.

I only came here to ask if there's any possibility of the EDO planet tech remaining separate from EDH given that it retires my niche and forces me to look for an alternative otherwise. I don't especially care about the rest of Elite or its community, but your entire post is concerning and paints a very disappointing picture of the way you view the world. FDev has had three years of their customers "cutting them some slack and giving them the benefit of the doubt", mate. It's time you lot actually demanded proper service.
 

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You won't be having much hooning, or canyon racing, or wonderful planets, or even much of anything in Evochron, compared to ED.
Any would do, as it'll be more than is available in EDO. I'm quite looking forward to trying out the Evo flight model :)
 
I mean, your post is a wonderful real-life example of the word "obsequious", so I appreciate that. :ROFLMAO:

I find the argument that "you won't get any better so you'll never leave" is a sound point genuinely funny in a kind of heart-breaking way.
Only read this far, but was enough can already say your post is a truly marvelous example of the word disingenious.

It's not a matter of "you'll never get any better so you're trapped!", it´s a matter of constantly moaning and groaning about things in this game that no other game studio has even came close to doing, like if they were all trivial and FD devs were a bunch of incompetent fools. While ED's bottle is indeed only half full, it's still much, much fuller than any other available bottle.

So I can either appreciate the water that's actually there, and recognize the years of great entertainment those awful incompetent devs have provided me in exchange for a few tenners, and cut them a bit of slack while they fix things, or I can join your little brigade and moan about the planetary tech being awful or whatever. I think I'll leave the revolutionary clicktivism to you lot.

Whatever the rest of your post was about, have fun with your hooning. (y)
 
Any would do, as it'll be more than is available in EDO. I'm quite looking forward to trying out the Evo flight model :)
I played Evochron games for many years, there was nothing else for a very long time. Flight model is good, also liked the cockpit view a lot. Evo will always have a place in my heart for holding the genre alive through the genre's dark times. But Evo is also one of the reasons why I cut ED some slack even in bad times. :)
 
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I played Evochron games for many years, there was nothing else for a very long time. Flight model is good, also liked the cockpit view a lot. Evo will always have a place in my heart for holding the genre alive through the genre's dark times. But Evo is's also one of the reasons why I cut ED some slack even in bad times. :)
Well, given that EDO no longer supports what I'm looking for, I don't have any other option outside of EDH until they remove support from that too.
I'm not minded to wait around for that.
 
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