Anyone else thinking of asking for a refund?

Indeed.

It's a CSR topic that's becoming very hot at the moment. In fact, I was looking at a statement by the Chairman of a very large Private Equity Fund a couple of weeks ago...making clear that they will no longer put up with the negative behaviour as outlined and have both turned down, and indeed revoked next round funding from certain entities that behave that way in recent weeks.

If the end user ever becomes educated about this stuff, it's a game changer.

Both literally and figuratively, in Frontiers' case.
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Oh wait, you're serious?
[video=youtube;45QgF9Ha7kE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45QgF9Ha7kE[/video]
 

"From the initial inception of the game we have considered all play modes are equally valid choices"

Lol, seriously? There is an enormous gulf between "all modes are equal" and "all modes are equally valid choices". Did wings, CQC, or multicrew make solo mode less valid? Wings had already been released at the time of that quote, and the thread the quote is in is a dev update about CQC (a strictly multiplayer feature).
 
Out of curiousity...I'm excited to learn what exactly you think I wasn't being serious about?
Here you go, I've snipped the parts that don't need sourcing or clarifying:
It's a CSR topic that's becoming very hot at the moment. In fact, I was looking at a statement by the Chairman of a very large Private Equity Fund a couple of weeks ago...making clear that they will no longer put up with the negative behaviour as outlined and have both turned down, and indeed revoked next round funding from certain entities that behave that way in recent weeks.

If the end user ever becomes educated about this stuff, it's a game changer.

Both literally and figuratively, in Frontiers' case.
Whoa, when it's shown like that your comment looks like an irrelevant, vague, drunken rant.

And you thought you were being serious, that's the funniest part [haha]

Are you the OP's lawyer?
 
"From the initial inception of the game we have considered all play modes are equally valid choices"

Lol, seriously? There is an enormous gulf between "all modes are equal" and "all modes are equally valid choices". Did wings, CQC, or multicrew make solo mode less valid? Wings had already been released at the time of that quote, and the thread the quote is in is a dev update about CQC (a strictly multiplayer feature).

Hence the kerfuffle.

Smart money's on Brookes knowing what he's doing.

Here you go, I've snipped the parts that don't need sourcing or clarifying:

Whoa, when it's shown like that your comment looks like an irrelevant, vague, drunken rant.

And you thought you were being serious, that's the funniest part [haha]

Are you the OP's lawyer?

Oh I get you I think. You want a link to the statement? I'll ignore the rest as you being a bit of an Empire Ranker.

Bear with me, I'll go find it, as it's very interesting. Don't ask me any questions on it though. Anyone else feel free.


*Has another glass of a cheeky Chilean Pinot Noir*

Here you go.

https://www.blackrock.com/corporate/investor-relations/larry-fink-ceo-letter

Good read. Loads of accompanying stuff too, but you can Google all that as I'm not really motivated to do anything for you...you know? Read what Ride and I were talking about earlier in this thread for context, otherwise you might miss it.

Fund's worth $1.7 TRILLION, might be worth Googling Larry Fink too. Worth taking it on board if you run a large business which requires funding, I'm sure you'd agree.

Oh...and you're welcome
 
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Hence the kerfuffle.

Smart money's on Brookes knowing what he's doing.

Exactly. Even if they went back and changed this statement- the original implication still applies, as it was made even before the release of the game.

People can perceive it however they wish, mock others for their discontent by saying "but it's a game!", but the fact remains its a product that the customer bought as advertised, with assurances being made by agents of the company. Changing PP may not be enough to warrant a legal case, but as I said, changing the inherent nature of a product after it's been advertised, sold and delivered would indeed make for an interesting suit. It's like a car company telling you that although you bought a pickup truck now they can exchange it for a sedan, because you signed a purchase agreement (EULA) saying they may modify your purchase at any time, for any reason. I doubt seriously that would stick in court as a rebuttal.

People using the EULA as an excuse are also apparently not seeing that if that were the case, FD could change ED into a Farming Simulator at their own whim- which I'm quite sure they would equally support, yes? I don't think so. The reality here is there are limitations, whether you "like" them or not as to what a company may do with a product after it's been sold and delivered as advertised. Just because it doesn't suit your argument doesn't mean you can simply dismiss it.
 
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I thought the Engineers was as low as it was possible to go in bad game design, but here FD is thinking about changing the basic nature of the game after we bought it.
Not that i really care whether pp is open only or not, but just on the principle that FD shouldnt be rewarded for changing the basic nature of the product from what was advertised and sold, I am thiniking about asking for a refund. This sets a precedent i dont want to see play out.
A vendor removing basic features from a product after its sold and the money is in the vendors pocket seems unethical, maybe fradulent, and possibly illegal.

Awa an dry yer eyes princess.
 
Exactly. Even if they went back and changed this statement- the original implication still applies, as it was made even before the release of the game.

People can perceive it however they wish, mock others for their discontent by saying "but it's a game!", but the fact remains its a product that the customer bought as advertised, with assurances being made by agents of the company. Changing PP may not be enough to warrant a legal case, but as I said, changing the inherent nature of a product after it's been advertised, sold and delivered would indeed make for an interesting suit. It's like a car company telling you that although you bought a pickup truck now they can exchange it for a sedan, because you signed a purchase agreement (EULA) saying they may modify your purchase at any time, for any reason. I doubt seriously that would stick in court as a rebuttal.

People using the EULA as an excuse are also apparently not seeing that if that were the case, FD could change ED into a Farming Simulator at their own whim- which I'm quite sure they would equally support, yes? I don't think so. The reality here is there are limitations, whether you "like" them or not as to what a company may do with a product after it's been sold and delivered as advertised. Just because it doesn't suit your argument doesn't mean you can simply dismiss it.

There's a lot in that Larry Fink statement that's relevant to all that too, Sylveria. Worth a look if you haven't seen it already. It's certainly going to be a trend if those guys are on the charge now.

Would +1 but the systems broken ;)
 
A vendor removing basic features from a product after its sold and the money is in the vendors pocket seems unethical, maybe fradulent, and possibly illegal.

This is quite possibly the most ridiculous post i’ve read this year.......and a very public defamatory statement to boot. Hopefully there are no lawyers reading it or they might sense blood in the water.

.......or is it just a bit of fun guys?
 
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No. I'm not going to search years of forums for a FDev statement. (although it is likely it's on Jockey's wall of information)
To help calm your worries..
For clarity: Open only is being considered for Powerplay. Not anything else. Also, Open only would still be limited to platform, so no instanced crossplay.
Folk can demand whatever they wish, but we are only considering Open only for Powerplay, as we feel it may be uniquely suited to supporting the feature.
3. We are looking at the *possibility* of Open only for Powerplay only. Not the BGS or anything else.
 
No. I'm not going to search years of forums for a FDev statement. (although it is likely it's on Jockey's wall of information)

Not to worry- already covered in my prior response to Fre(t)nox. Apparently some choose to cherry-pick their arguments and statements, instead of being informed throughout all of the issues.

I doubt we'll see a "confirmation" in any of his YouTube videos, however- it doesn't suit his argument therefore he'll ignore it and continue with propaganda instead.
 
You're clearly either uninformed or choose ignorance then- if you haven't read Michael Brooke's comment regarding the modes remaining equal.
You need to re-read his quote because "I do not think it means what you think it means" -- Inigo Montoya
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...(23-07-2015)?p=2581431&viewfull=1#post2581431
From the initial inception of the game we have considered all play modes are equally valid choices. While we are aware that some players disagree, this hasn't changed for us.
Specifically all play modes are equally valid choices the thing which is equal in this statement is the validity of the choice - or in other words that if one player chooses open and another chooses solo their choices are equally valid (as in, neither of them are elite'ing wrong).
 
To help calm your worries..

Like I've said before, I trust Sandro's "word" about as much as I expect Trump to make all US borders completely open.

You need to re-read his quote because "I do not think it means what you think it means" -- Inigo Montoya
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...(23-07-2015)?p=2581431&viewfull=1#post2581431

Specifically all play modes are equally valid choices the thing which is equal in this statement is the validity of the choice - or in other words that if one player chooses open and another chooses solo their choices are equally valid (as in, neither of them are elite'ing wrong).

Yet, some modes are given exclusivity in features over others? That's not the definition of "equal", perhaps you need to consult a dictionary. (unless you want to rely on movie quotes as a "source" citation)
 
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Like I've said before, I trust Sandro's "word" about as much as I expect Trump to make all US borders completely open.
I can't help you here.

Yet, some modes are given exclusivity in features over others? That's not the definition of "equal", perhaps you need to consult a dictionary. (unless you want to rely on movie quotes as a "source" citation)
He didn't say the modes were equal.. he said the choice was equally valid.. you can see that right?
 
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