I wouldn't worry about it - when a thread Godwins itself in the OP, a higher law has been invoked
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I wouldn't worry about it - when a thread Godwins itself in the OP, a higher law has been invoked
Anarchy would be no moderators. I'm proposing a totalitarian dictatorship.
On these forums the rules are followed to the "T". The moderators on these forums are way stronger than other sites I frequent. They dish out infractions like hot cakes.
This is why I said there needs to be something similar to MMO-champion (not reddit) that has a more level-headed bunch of people and not completely loaded with fanboys.
Pointless? This entire thread is moderation contestation and I'm shocked it hasn't been closed.
These rules are easy to understand Cmdr's :
Anything not explicitly allowed , is prohibited.
My posts from now on will be yes and no
Then Iam safe (I think)
Cheers Cmdr's
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No it's not
Cheers Cmdr's
:Anything not explicitly allowed , is prohibited.
My posts from now on will be yes and no
Then Iam safe (I think
)Cheers Cmdr's
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No it's not
Cheers Cmdr's
I see the new rules as an attempt to stop people (like me) from attempting to hold David to his word as with the new rules you can't say his name but, that's IMO.
Problem is, IMO, if you're all gung-ho ED then you're allowed to run free breaking the rules, if your posting anything negative you get the mod hammer. Try posting a legit complaint on here and see how many fanbois break the rules by insulting, attacking and hijacking a thread but, are allowed to do it until the thread is so de-railed it's not even close to the OP.
IMO, it's another attempt to squash anything other than gleaming positive posts. We've all seen the regular fanbois break the current rules for months without any repercussions while the other side receive infractions all the time.
Another favorite of mine are threads closed by mods that "don't see this going anywhere" or in other words, they don't like the topic so just close it.
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Really? Equating the moderator rules to Nazis by saying "Heil Frontier!" isn't moderation contesting? Perfect example of mods picking and choosing what rules to enforce and what ones they dont want to.
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FD should just have one rule:
Anything we don't like or anyone we don't like will be banned. Simple, honest and easy.
Problem is, IMO, if you're all gung-ho ED then you're allowed to run free breaking the rules, if your posting anything negative you get the mod hammer. Try posting a legit complaint on here and see how many fanbois break the rules by insulting, attacking and hijacking a thread but, are allowed to do it until the thread is so de-railed it's not even close to the OP.
IMO, it's another attempt to squash anything other than gleaming positive posts. We've all seen the regular fanbois break the current rules for months without any repercussions while the other side receive infractions all the time.
Another favorite of mine are threads closed by mods that "don't see this going anywhere" or in other words, they don't like the topic so just close it.
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These rules are easy to understand Cmdr's
Anything not explicitly allowed , is prohibited.
My posts from now on will be yes and no
Then Iam safe (I think
Cheers Cmdr's
No it's not
Cheers Cmdr's
Really? Equating the moderator rules to Nazis by saying "Heil Frontier!" isn't moderation contesting? Perfect example of mods picking and choosing what rules to enforce and what ones they dont want to.
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FD should just have one rule:
Anything we don't like or anyone we don't like will be banned. Simple, honest and easy.
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All give that , this one is .. well bad choice, very bad choice of words.
Cheers Cmdr's
Brett C
Frontier
It's feedback that I can act upon and use for the future.
Hello there
Trust me, public discussion and debate on moderating judgments is not the way forward.
In an ideal world it would be great but the forum trolls (subtle and not so subtle) will always make a mountain out of a molehill.
If one doesnt like the way a forum is moderated one should vote with their feet (fingers?).
If the mods were overly abusive the "net" would soon discover and reveal it.
As to "holding Braben to account on this forum" etc, well that's just daft.
If one feels that strongly make a protest forum and if valid the "net" will support.
Its like going into a pub and telling the landlord his beer/pub/wife/pet goldfish etc is poo and loudly complaining about it in the front bar. You're gonna get tossed out.
Im sure the devs/mods allow constructive critique.
Rgds
LoK
Trust me, public discussion and debate on moderating judgments is not the way forward.
In an ideal world it would be great but the forum trolls (subtle and not so subtle) will always make a mountain out of a molehill.
If one doesnt like the way a forum is moderated one should vote with their feet (fingers?).
If the mods were overly abusive the "net" would soon discover and reveal it.
As to "holding Braben to account on this forum" etc, well that's just daft.
If one feels that strongly make a protest forum and if valid the "net" will support.
Its like going into a pub and telling the landlord his beer/pub/wife/pet goldfish etc is poo and loudly complaining about it in the front bar. You're gonna get tossed out.
Im sure the devs/mods allow constructive critique.
Rgds
LoK
Ok, great, we can all use it too. In the future it's ok to call the forum rules Nazism. I thank the OP for that lesson as I was sure that was against the current rules. Now I know, thank you.
Why not just be done with rules and just say "we'll moderate as we see fit"? Seriously, I mean that. One mod may give you an infraction, the other may not. It's all subjective so why not just say "We'll do our best as we see fit" and be done with it?
I realise you guys have a tough unpaid job (I've ran my own forum for years) but, the more rules you make, the more you box yourselves in. A simple, "We'll do the best we can as we see fit and if you don't like it then go somewhere else" would stop a LOT of the rubbish.
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I have acquired an embarassing amount of forum posts during the last two decades and have been a moderator years ago (nothing I'd do again - don't envy anyone doing it) and in the end, I must say that forum rules are mostly subject to interpretation by the mod team.
Pretty much any forum has the same rule about trolling and that can be stretched really far, ranging from a heavy handed approach that treats any light hearted comment as trolling or spam to a largely unmoderated approach. So far, the mod team has struck a good balance imho.
When in doubt, I'm all for a light handed approach when it comes to interpretation of the rules. I've personally made the experience that intervening at a low level aggravates people and leads to a hostile and humourless environment.
The profanity filter is an issue on ist own. Personally never really had issues with it as I don't feel the need to swear when posting. However to me, the application of rules concerning explicit language in English speaking forums always seemed a bit odd to me. The "F-word" is probably one of the most used words in every-day English nowadays, but forum rules are treating it like we're living in the 1950s.
Most likely a cultural issue I have and absolutely not specific to these forums.
Pretty much any forum has the same rule about trolling and that can be stretched really far, ranging from a heavy handed approach that treats any light hearted comment as trolling or spam to a largely unmoderated approach. So far, the mod team has struck a good balance imho.
When in doubt, I'm all for a light handed approach when it comes to interpretation of the rules. I've personally made the experience that intervening at a low level aggravates people and leads to a hostile and humourless environment.
The profanity filter is an issue on ist own. Personally never really had issues with it as I don't feel the need to swear when posting. However to me, the application of rules concerning explicit language in English speaking forums always seemed a bit odd to me. The "F-word" is probably one of the most used words in every-day English nowadays, but forum rules are treating it like we're living in the 1950s.
Most likely a cultural issue I have and absolutely not specific to these forums.
Looks like FD has decided that the easier way to stem the tide of negativity is to clench their fists even tighter and keep punching the water.
I gave up reading user agreements a long time it is easier to just know the local laws as many of these so called agreememts are nothing more than fluff made up by people with no legal experience. Any agreement actually proofread by a laywer will always start with 'Except where prohibited by law' whicj essentially nullifies the entire thing unless you live in like Uraguay.
Then there's no point having them.
Trolling etc should not be tolerated but Push enough people off the forums you just end up with unofficial ones (which are far more scathing and uncontrolled).
Best to address issues and frustrations rather than try to stifle free speech.
Best to address issues and frustrations rather than try to stifle free speech.
Trying to be nice never ever works (look at me for example) and the tighter you try to define "rules" especially rules as subjective as on this forum, just invites more strife. I learned years ago on my own forum that the "iron fist" is the only way to go when dealing with a public forum. People (if they like it or not) understand iron fisted control and either conform to it or leave. It's very simple.
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