"Solution is easy, bigger bountys on PK'S and more interdiction's. if a wing ganks, all are guilty.". That way the gankers can all go gank themselves. 
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Sheeesh. Well, if Frontier say it's allowed in the rules of their game - who are you to argue?
PVP - even griefing - is allowed within the rules of the game. In fact it's even mentioned in the Manual (the so-called "Psychos"). You can avoid it if you play in Solo, but you must accept it, account for it and prepare for it in open.
Maybe some kind of mode where weapons do not strike other players (in game world, fofar between pilots fed vessels) would be a help?
PVP - even griefing - is allowed within the rules of the game. In fact it's even mentioned in the Manual (the so-called "Psychos"). You can avoid it if you play in Solo, but you must accept it, account for it and prepare for it in open.
Maybe some kind of mode where weapons do not strike other players (in game world, fofar between pilots fed vessels) would be a help?
Trouble is ED doesn't really lend itself too well to unexpected PvP.
I mean if I go out in my ship I'm normally not in a combat fitted vessel due to compromises on jump range and so on, meanwhile the aggressor(s) are.
And then if after I'm destroyed I want to get my own back I cannot do it because there's no way to find the sod.
As it stands the structure of the game seems to lend itself to unexpected, hard to defend attacks where most often the outcome will be die or run.
I mean if I go out in my ship I'm normally not in a combat fitted vessel due to compromises on jump range and so on, meanwhile the aggressor(s) are.
And then if after I'm destroyed I want to get my own back I cannot do it because there's no way to find the sod.
As it stands the structure of the game seems to lend itself to unexpected, hard to defend attacks where most often the outcome will be die or run.
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Indeed. The game doesn't really lend itself to unexpected anything, but that's a different topic altogether.
wow, been gone 3-4 weeks and this happens
naughty naughty people joining a private group for old players (and some young) who can't be ar**d to join a clan or join wings but don't want to play solo because they like having a chat whilst playing this game whilst putting the kids to sleep whilst having a cup of tea or a beer whilst watching sports or reading the news etc.... You get the picture... Elite to me is a relaxing game unless I get harassed by some evil ba***rd NCP.
I'm not really in it for the adrenalin.
I play other multiplayer games for adrenalin like Squad which I find very tiring after 2 hours. I'm getting old.
Anyway.... what was my point? I don't remember. Wow, I'm truly etting old... The point is, they broke the Mobius rule. But I'm not crying about it (until they kill me). I don't want to play solo again.
Yes rules are to be broken but idiots who are just having a laugh annoying players like me who just want to play with friends whilst having a cup of tea, relaxing before putting their kids to sleep etc is very annoying. Sorry, am I repeating myself? Yes getting old.
These griefers who have infiltrated Mobius are similar to hackers to a degree. So yes, they're annoying idiots. That's my 2 pence.
naughty naughty people joining a private group for old players (and some young) who can't be ar**d to join a clan or join wings but don't want to play solo because they like having a chat whilst playing this game whilst putting the kids to sleep whilst having a cup of tea or a beer whilst watching sports or reading the news etc.... You get the picture... Elite to me is a relaxing game unless I get harassed by some evil ba***rd NCP.
I'm not really in it for the adrenalin.
I play other multiplayer games for adrenalin like Squad which I find very tiring after 2 hours. I'm getting old.
Anyway.... what was my point? I don't remember. Wow, I'm truly etting old... The point is, they broke the Mobius rule. But I'm not crying about it (until they kill me). I don't want to play solo again.
Yes rules are to be broken but idiots who are just having a laugh annoying players like me who just want to play with friends whilst having a cup of tea, relaxing before putting their kids to sleep etc is very annoying. Sorry, am I repeating myself? Yes getting old.
These griefers who have infiltrated Mobius are similar to hackers to a degree. So yes, they're annoying idiots. That's my 2 pence.
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But that is the point, their own EULA says it is not allowed.
So they are ignoring there own rules.
So those of us, who play by the rules feel hard done by - if one group get to play outside of the rules, then why can I not play outside of the rules.
And if we are going to pick and choose what rules - then I think I'll ignore the data scraping as I want an API for trading and hate that OCR software.
I'm not fond of the no combat logging rule either - while I do not do that, one day i may decide to do it, so if the rules are optional I think that one can go.
(This can go on
)But that is the point, their own EULA says it is not allowed.
So they are ignoring there own rules.
So those of us, who play by the rules feel hard done by - if one group get to play outside of the rules, then why can I not play outside of the rules.
And if we are going to pick and choose what rules - then I think I'll ignore the data scraping as I want an API for trading and hate that OCR software.
I'm not fond of the no combat logging rule either - while I do not do that, one day i may decide to do it, so if the rules are optional I think that one can go.
(This can go on
Where in their EULA does it say its against the rules considering that en employee on the Dev team says thats there is nothing wrong with it?
Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt have done this, but this isnt griefing. Mobius has grown to the point it cant keep track of its own membership and that is a problem for mobius and nobody else.
If you dont want to be pestered by other players go to solo. simples.
This is just another example of why open for private group vs solo play doesnt work at all. If everyone had to be in open this sort of behaviour would be shut down very quickly.
And to clarify, the heading is "Communication" and"interaction with other users"
So the entire section is about how we talk and how we treat other users of the game software.
It also lists "behaviour, conduct" and "communications" at the start of my underline - so it breaks it down again to be clear.
(Just had to explain this in another thread, hence doing it here as well)
Okay so I was on the side of the pve a few months ago. That's when I brought up the "EULA" as protecting those getting rekt. I bent it's interpretation to cover this so called ganking. But here's the plain fact of it. PVP is a part of the multi-player part of this game. And it is well published as such. Game features are not in conflict with the EULA because you don't need to hack or exploit the game in order to do it. So by purchasing the game you accepted the PVP facet of the multiplayer parts of the game.
Also there are no provisions in the EULA for role playing. Therefore one doesn't even need a reason to engage in PVP. EULA's are written by lawyers and this one in combination with the features of the game clears up what is harassment and what is PVP. Were racist or sexist statements made to you repeatedly? Or were you just killed as a result of PVP. If it's the second congratulations on experiencing one of the primary features of this game.
Ultimately there is no legal standing here.
On the other hand if someone is plotting to disrupt services provided by Frontier Development like say by organizing players against them... well that actually does break the EULA.
Also there are no provisions in the EULA for role playing. Therefore one doesn't even need a reason to engage in PVP. EULA's are written by lawyers and this one in combination with the features of the game clears up what is harassment and what is PVP. Were racist or sexist statements made to you repeatedly? Or were you just killed as a result of PVP. If it's the second congratulations on experiencing one of the primary features of this game.
Ultimately there is no legal standing here.
On the other hand if someone is plotting to disrupt services provided by Frontier Development like say by organizing players against them... well that actually does break the EULA.
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Internet 'lawyers'. What would we do without them....
These poor players whose mere acknowledgement of their own person is based on shooting a group of defenceless PvE-players who hadn't planned on that. Now they can give themselves a pat on the back and indulge in compensation of their complexes mutually or howsoever it may look like. I really dont want to picture it to myself. These are really pathetic people. Such a conduct may occur through a lack of affirmation of their personality from their social millieu: workplace, family etc.
They are unable to pull off much...., more like just a little..., well rather nothing at all. Hence why it is automatically looked for an opportunity to distinguish oneself in some way and trying to become accepted within the community. These attention-***** players shouldn't receive a penalty but it is supposed to provide assistance to them.
They are unable to pull off much...., more like just a little..., well rather nothing at all. Hence why it is automatically looked for an opportunity to distinguish oneself in some way and trying to become accepted within the community. These attention-***** players shouldn't receive a penalty but it is supposed to provide assistance to them.
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Yeah , I mean there ''crime'' was joining a group.
Joining a group is not against the rules , killing a player is not against the rules.
and like FD said its there group so they enforce there rules because FD dont have a PVE rule set so they cant enforce it.
the law/EULA was not breached like you said.
But indeed the invaders were rude and thats about it.
The behaviour of the SDC was considerate and neither directly nor indirectly offensive to other users. No threats, bullying or harassement as defined by Frontier have happened, only the normal, expected Elite Dangerous online experience, which applies in full in private groups too if more than one player is present since no tools exist to disable or limit any feature in such a group.
It's unfortunate that there was a misunderstanding between two parties with different goals and means over a private agreement which of course has no value beyond that given by the ability of one of the parties to expel the others from their group if they so desire.
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More, give us more! Don't stop!
I do. I can tell the difference between someone who is actually qualified to give legal advice, and someone who thinks he is...
This is grasping at straws, to effectively make PVP a non-valid action in a group that actually permitted it. Möbius already opened the door.
Yes it wasn't nice or polite or orderly or in the places allocated. However the issues remains that it's not the action, it's the issue of managing rules where they are effectively an agreement to not enact a core feature of the game. They are not enforceable above ejecting recalcitrant commanders.
Management improvements, will help. But the group actively supports forms of PVP, so it's long since stopped being PVE only. That genie is already out of the bottle. People are just grumpy because it was "unexpected" despite this having happened before and despite the game actively allowing PVP.
That the SDC actions might seem a bit naff, is a reasonable expression of opinion. It doesn't, however, in of itself constitute a ToS breach. If they go on to repeatedly target the same commanders then there may be grounds for a complaint.
In the mean time, you can't just use bits of the TOS when it suits. It's easily argued the resulting behaviours in open and solo could be equally considered sufficient to be a breach. No-one is getting riled up about that.
Perhaps they should?
