What is the competition like?
is there a Best VR first person shooter?
genuine question.
Asking for clarification about Odyssey VR?
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is there a Best VR first person shooter?
genuine question.
Best.
Half life Alyx.
You also have.
Robo Recall
Lone echo is first person but I don't consider it a shooter.
Also. Pavlov and Onward does a VR counterstrike\BF sort of thing.
H3VR is also something I consider a FPS but might be a touch hardcore for most since it's more like a firearms simulator than 'game'
Half life Alyx.
You also have.
Robo Recall
Lone echo is first person but I don't consider it a shooter.
Also. Pavlov and Onward does a VR counterstrike\BF sort of thing.
H3VR is also something I consider a FPS but might be a touch hardcore for most since it's more like a firearms simulator than 'game'
Such a thing as VR or non VR would have to have been decided early on - most likely late 2018 / early 2019 when they removed "built for VR" from the ED website. Its a deliberate decision, and it was possibly made just before the new wave of headsets where announced and released (Quest, Rift S, Vive Cosmos, Valve Index etc). Back then VR could look "dead" to people not frequenting certain websites etc.
It may also depend on how far down the line they have come adding assets and effects that does not play well in VR. Think "rotating smoke" in cockpits for examples. Games are full of these effects and things that looks "spacial" for flatscreeners, but wont look any good in a VR headset. Even normal headlook in ED shows some funky things.
So, either its deliberate and far to late for anything - or - they are evaluating if they can actually sell something to VR users. I hope the latter, but expect the first.
Not necessarily, plenty of old games having had VR modded in after the fact.
And I'm sure Unity and Unreal engines have VR options and solutions pretty much baked in at this point.
But fd wants to do their own thing.
I can see why, Epic wants what? 15% off the top, before taxes?
As for the rotating smoke, that's been in since day 1 and is from a hack job way of doing things aging back to the 90's.
They probably removed the VR labels cause someones money or deal ran out.
And honestly so far we don't have a hard no on vr.
Just a "not on launch", that's a far cry from "never".
Am I optimistic, no, not really.
Then again there are plenty of other directions I'm seeing the game take that I'm not keen on, so for me I'm looking for a reason to keep going at all.
One thing I'm certain of though.
Elite would benefit more from keeping VR than VR needs elite.
And I'm sure Unity and Unreal engines have VR options and solutions pretty much baked in at this point.
But fd wants to do their own thing.
I can see why, Epic wants what? 15% off the top, before taxes?
As for the rotating smoke, that's been in since day 1 and is from a hack job way of doing things aging back to the 90's.
They probably removed the VR labels cause someones money or deal ran out.
And honestly so far we don't have a hard no on vr.
Just a "not on launch", that's a far cry from "never".
Am I optimistic, no, not really.
Then again there are plenty of other directions I'm seeing the game take that I'm not keen on, so for me I'm looking for a reason to keep going at all.
One thing I'm certain of though.
Elite would benefit more from keeping VR than VR needs elite.
The Oculus Quest has been sold out pretty much everywhere for months. VR isn't dead (it never was and people like us lot know it), it just had a lot of issues to overcome before it reached a tipping point for mainstream consumers. I think the technology is just about at that point and FDEV are putting VR on the back burner. I suppose they are more interested in all the people banging on about having a FPS aspect to the game.
We all know it will be the most grindy and ill-conceived FPS ever devised by man and all those asking for that feature will leave within a few months. Look at Eve Online; How long has that been going and how long did Dust 541 last?
If space legs was going to add to the exploration side in a massive way it could work, but it is going to be pew pew on planets I bet.
I'm afraid FDEV is making the game a majority of people wanted in 2017.
Not what is going to pave the way forward in 2021.
And we honestly haven't even reached the super Nintendo era of VR if we are to compare it to consoles.
And yes. It is utterly perplexing how FDEV seem to mistake repetition for in-game depth, and replayability.
When most who play for a long time, do so in spite of the repetive grind.
By 2025 I half expect regular flat screen monitors to on phase out.
Yes hmd's would need to become a bit less bulky though.
But in VR you can almost achieve multiple 100"+ near infinite resolution screens.
Merge in concepts like retina VR displays with eye or gaze tracking, and brain interfacing.
Imagine being able to zoom in, in Photoshop just by looking at it and thinking "zoom in".
Not what is going to pave the way forward in 2021.
And we honestly haven't even reached the super Nintendo era of VR if we are to compare it to consoles.
And yes. It is utterly perplexing how FDEV seem to mistake repetition for in-game depth, and replayability.
When most who play for a long time, do so in spite of the repetive grind.
By 2025 I half expect regular flat screen monitors to on phase out.
Yes hmd's would need to become a bit less bulky though.
But in VR you can almost achieve multiple 100"+ near infinite resolution screens.
Merge in concepts like retina VR displays with eye or gaze tracking, and brain interfacing.
Imagine being able to zoom in, in Photoshop just by looking at it and thinking "zoom in".
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Brain interfacing is not a thing I would like Facebook to be in control of. Imagine that, and the disembodied heads of Trump, Putin and co in jars running the show. AAAGGGGGHHH!!!
Facebook, contrary to popular conception is not the most evil company on the planet.
They are quite a few steps behind Google, Apple, HTC. In this regard.
Valve, well valve is pretty much the ones who figured people would pay for unfinished betas to begin with.
But are looking their cancer to the games industry.
There is zero moral high ground left on the internet, so sitting on the internet and pointing fingers at just one company is so hypocritical it's funny.
In truth nobody of these should be trusted with anything, but it's happening where you like it or not.
Trump is mostly on Twitter btw, it's his moronic followers who are on Facebook.
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The only reason I mentioned Facebook is because of Oculus, no other reason. The other stuff was a nod to one of my favourite shows Futurama. Maybe I should have put a smiley face at the end of my post. I didn't because I didn't think for one moment anybody would be paranoid enough to take it any other way than a bit of a joke.
Insert whatever emoji fits your agenda here
The end of this story is that if Elite Dangerous is moving away from VR then I'll be deleting it from my drive. A sad time losing one of the standards for the VR experience.
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Just my guess, but I think Fdev is being tight lipped about ending VR support, since hey're betting on Odyssey being a huge success on release and THEN they can just go "see, we don't need the VR crowd".
I'm pretty sure they're dropping it completely.
And if it's still available on Horizons, the future development on the game is definitely going to be on the Odyssey base. I mean see how many updates and features have come to the normal game after Horizons, basically every new feature has come to that.
I mean I'd love continued VR support, but the pessimist in me believes it's not gonna happen, instead of stating that they're ending it, they'll be phasing it out gradually and hope no-one notices...
I'm pretty sure they're dropping it completely.
And if it's still available on Horizons, the future development on the game is definitely going to be on the Odyssey base. I mean see how many updates and features have come to the normal game after Horizons, basically every new feature has come to that.
I mean I'd love continued VR support, but the pessimist in me believes it's not gonna happen, instead of stating that they're ending it, they'll be phasing it out gradually and hope no-one notices...
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Any legal repercussions from selling a feature to LEP buyers and then pulling the plug? They can try and rubbish it away with the "you can still play horizons" nonsense, but I payed for that LEP to have ALL the features and if they are incapable of configuring all those features to work together then they should be providing me with an option to pick which I want to use. Space legs can kiss my hole.
The situation is pure bloody laziness crossed with greed trying to get the FPS idiots on board. I paid my money to help get this SPACE SIM off the ground, not to future develop Space Laser COD!
Edit: This leaves a bad taste and since I can't not buy Odyssey I'll not be spending another penny on Planet Zoo/Coaster until they regain my trust, which I assume will be never.
The situation is pure bloody laziness crossed with greed trying to get the FPS idiots on board. I paid my money to help get this SPACE SIM off the ground, not to future develop Space Laser COD!
Edit: This leaves a bad taste and since I can't not buy Odyssey I'll not be spending another penny on Planet Zoo/Coaster until they regain my trust, which I assume will be never.
I did wonder if Alpha and kickstarter backers may have a case on features being withdrawn. I certainly got involved as a premium beta backer but only jumped in to VR about 4 years ago after seeing it at Lavecon at the time I was using Tobiieye tracker.
But even then they said VR would always be a feature when asked in the informal chats around the rooms.
I then spent thousands on a PC, Rift and Rift s let alone on paintjobs etc.
Even brought a x52pro just for Elite the day before Odyssy trailer.
Currently feel let down on their strategy and PR.
I’m hoping we see more communication from them soon on the subject of VR.
I wonder how long until they say "we can't support Horizons any longer" once Odyssey is out...
It's why I have the big hope that Horizons works with the new engine.
Seriously, I can't imagine they can support two different huge releases.
So, 2 solutions:
- Horizons will no longer be upgraded very quickly. and almost discontinued. The shame and unbelievable.
- Horizons will work with the new engine, without FPS's stuff. Good for us. (like the base game works without planet's stuff of Horizons, but with the same engine)
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It's 1 and confirmed by Zac in pm to Alec Turner.
and a later post responding to Alec's question (after Zac had pm'd Alec) basically saying the same as Zac without the "best to assume" VR won't work in Odyssey:
ANNOUNCEMENT - Elite Dangerous: Odyssey Announcement
Basically all that Frontier said was "no VR at launch because it'd be crap." We all have been here before, when such evasive corpo-language was used. I simply do not believe they will follow on that, especially given Braben's shift on stance on VR. That's why VR players are kicking up the...forums.frontier.co.uk
That's not what it says...
The Base Game is just that, Elite Dangerous, V1. Then there was Horizons. Then there will be Odyssey. VR works with the Base game ie: Elite, and Horizons. But not it wold seem 'Odyssey'
As for hmd sales.
Right now availability isn't the best metric.
The Chinese sweatshops has been closed since January and I imagine they still ramping up production, while trying to keep contagion from spreading further.
Supply has been greatly diminished if not non existent since January.
Naturally it's sold out.
Right now availability isn't the best metric.
The Chinese sweatshops has been closed since January and I imagine they still ramping up production, while trying to keep contagion from spreading further.
Supply has been greatly diminished if not non existent since January.
Naturally it's sold out.