RCT 3 PC Atari's new CEO

[sebar]

Snipping is a good thing, but not in this case. You should quote me in context and not try to pin this on frontier. They are the army, the so-called publisher is the pentagon (a U.S. of A. thang)

The Pentagfon calls the final shots. The bucks Literally stop with Atari. Because they had the final say and well, errm, ummm they controlled and still control the bucks on rct3. So if you wanna place blame, place it on the goons at the so-called publisher, and snip snip, they are a "so-called" publisher, because they way they have and continue to treat their loyal customers belongs in the "So-called" category and not the legitimate name. Besides why mention the name of a company whose logo flips their customers the bird.

As always cheers

 

[Steve O B Have]

Snipping is a good thing, but not in this case. You should quote me in context and not try to pin this on frontier. They are the army, the so-called publisher is the pentagon (a U.S. of A. thang)

Er - re-read my edit - I haven't changed your statement at all, and all I was doing was agreeing with you...

"Ultimately though, the so-called Software Publisher<SNIP> Atari, has the majority of the responsibility to make sure that the community doesn't get crap. They call the shots. If they wanted to delay the product and get things fixed up, they have that judgment call. <SNIP> They are who you should be screaming at!"

I am in wholehearted agreement with you - the buck stops with the publisher to provide the resource (if only monetarily) to ensure that a product is properly supported.

 

[rosscoe(au)]

You know what you guys are right, Atari is too blame in this as well they are the money men behind this.

Steve there are things you should know..

Rct 3 released...bugs...patch fixes some things, breaks others.

Soaked released...fixes some thing that where broken with the first patch release, but breaks others that had nothing wrong with them from RCT3 Vanilla.

A patch or two more released, fixes somethings...breaks other things

Wild released, breaks things that were never broken in the first place...fixes some things.

There where pages and pages of bugs reported during the two beta tests, as well as others still being posted daily over at the Atari forums.

Up to the last patch release Atari was paying for this to be fixed and it should have been done.

Should Atari spend more money on this...yes!

Do i feel if they do that Frontier could fix these problems...maybe, but the first step would be to own up to the fact that there is problems.

But as you said earlier, i could go on and on, but i have said my piece.

Maybe one day someone will pay to fix this game.

Cheers.

 

[sebar]

Nobody disagrees with you.

There are definitely problems perhaps David could address. Lets look at a wild flat ride issue I have a major boner on.

The Eyerly Loop-O-Plane.

David, this model is perfect....but....the way the ride functions is very poor even in the best of cases. Yes it goes round and round. But its how it starts and stops, and in addition the speed is way too slow.

David Braben. Can't you get them to exchange the carousel speed with this ride. For heaven's sakes man, a slow loop-o-plane??? What were the Frontier Devs thinking when they made the start up, spin down and speed for this ride???

Maybe you guys can go look at and ride a real one and than FIX this silly thing! (My attempt and proper English with a bit of a twist thrown in...

 

[tikitiki]

I haven't read through this whole thread, but I'm not sure I understand what exactly is holding back frontier from releasing a patch. Nothing is perfect, and I don't expect anything to be. I also personally don't care if a ride is 100% accurate or not. Thats stuff that doesn't really matter to me. I'm sure Frontier tries; Maybe not to the best of their abilities but to an extent where the game is playable. Being a developer for some online software myself, I see where David comes from when saying critiquing the code and bug fixing can be a hassle, especially when you don't know whats exactly going wrong in the code. Theres so much to it, its just so hard to find and fix.

 

[Michael Brookes]

It would be extremely problematic for us to try and release updates for RCT3 without support and approval from Atari.

Michael

 

[sebar]

It would be extremely problematic for us to try and release updates for RCT3 without support and approval from Atari.

Michael

And unfortunately Michael you are correct. That other corporation ( you know the one - I refuse to mention) is so messed up in lawsuits and every other problem, plus ignoring their user base on the 2005 number one game of the year, that it is rather doubtful that we will see anything for RCT3 other than what the community is continuing to do. In fact, if it wasn't for the community scenerymakers, that other company could kiss their RCT3 profits good bye a long time ago.

 

[sebar]

well....

AMEN LOL No offence meant here either - Sebar, do you breathe between sentences, I couldn't spot a fullstop anywhere in there? LOL

If you think my breathing is bad, wait till my misses eats garlic and forces those special moments upon me.....! It does happen from time to time you know.

Honestly I understand Frontier's position. They are a hired contractor. In this business they provided a reasonable product, even if it had very bad lag, no 360 alignment mode, small parks, rides that were inaccurate in some, but not all cases, light inside dark rides by default (what do I know about such things, right?) a licensee suing, a licensor sued and a community abandoned of sorts ...but now you guys will all get thrillville and I honestly hope it becomes a thrilling experience if it ever makes it to the pc platform.

Anyhow in my Journalistic endeavors and article authoring, I try to write content that hopefully is informative and engaging.

Rosscoe, let it go. Move on to the future. The past is set in stone and cannot be changed, but you can change the future if you really want to

 

[2005]

It would be extremely problematic for us to try and release updates for RCT3 without support and approval from Atari.

Michael

Maybe Frontier should try and buy the publishing rights for the game off Atari, who seem to have abandoned it anyway?

Most people who want the game have bought it anyway by now.

 

[Brett C]

Maybe Frontier should try and buy the publishing rights for the game off Atari, who seem to have abandoned it anyway?

Most people who want the game have bought it anyway by now.

It is a little more complex than that, since it has to go through so many loops and jumps for that to even happen.

 

[sebar]

Agreed to a point.

Actually if Frontier with LucasArts wanted to they probably could, but there is another major problem. That is the problem of ThrillVille for the PC. David's best bet is to exceed what RCT3 gave us by putting the many things into TVPC that we didn't get in RCT3. If he can do this, he would have a hit perhaps, on his hands. As it stands now, if they put out TV like it is for the console, my prdiction is that it will fail, at least in the short run.

If however, Mr. Braben has listened to the needs of the RCT3 community and provides us a super ThrillVille (TV) for the PC platform he could run into a gold mine.

The other issue is that Frontier is basically a Programming house, as far as I know. Publishing is another animal altogether. I have published in my lifetime and it is a very different landscape to tackle than production. This shouldn't mean it can't be done, in reality it can. But Frontier essentially contracted with LucasArts as their recent publisher of a 3D themepark game. What would taking on a new 3D themepark game do to that relationship? And does David and Frontier's CEO and Board really want the publisher headaches they would acquire? All good points that might yet have to be pondered.

 

[heavybjurn]

If however, Mr. Braben has listened to the needs of the RCT3 community and provides us a super ThrillVille (TV) for the PC platform he could run into a gold mine.


i hope they come with a better thrillville for the pc platform that it not just one of the rumors lately. i think it will have a graet future if they give us things that we always have wanted for rtc 3.

 

[seally]

Even though there are still some minor problems with RCT 3, it is still very much playable. I have a Quad-SLI system and I don't have any slowdowns whatsoever.

So that's why you don't have slowdowns, Quad-SLI. Mine's a Radeon 9550 and it gets very unplayable when the park gets larger.

I am allowed to have an opinion and thats fine if you don't like it.
The fact of the matter is that this game is flawed, should we talk about the sunscreen love in or would we prefer not to talk about that.

All games have their flaws. No human has absolutely no flaws. Anyway, I saw some of your posts at the Atari Forums and you seem so polite. But why when you're here you get in somewhat like a bad mood. Yes, you're allowed to have opinions but can you keep those more offensive words down please?

See David, you nailed it exactly, which would indicate not only is that other company, you know the one, it starts with the giant initial "A" and their parent company "I" even though they don't amount to much in artificial intelligence) logo flipping the big red bird at its user base, but perhaps at the devs too... Think of us as one big happy family (The Devs and the Community Customers) all sinking together on a tiny kid's raft in the middle of the mightiest ocean ever, the great blue and green Pacific Ocean. Too bad that ride was never in soaked

You do have a way with words.

Ok, Im not getting into this discussion, but I have been reading it. One question, Sebar, could you please just say Atari. Your 2 lined description of their name and logo is anoying (No offence).

*Goes back to reading the thread.*

Really? I thought it was very funny.

 

[K1D1inc.]

RCT 4=Cash for Atari!!!! thats why they will make one

Read my title^ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ThePug]

RCT 4 = not gonna happen.

Atari is going to die before anything happens.

 

[sebar]

Atari has died and come back, died and come back...died and come back....

The future for most software is open source, even Windows is being copied through Open Source coding. RCT4 ain't happening anytime soon, and actually the RCT community is not growing but shrinking. The future is with a community that rallies around what it controls, grows and shares with everyone, fixes the issues concerning coding improprieties. I do not blame Frontier or David, nor Michael for RCT3 overall. I still hold the publisher fully accountable, and to date as we head into 2008, they still have not acknowledged their user base or customers, which essentially amounts to abandonment of the worst corporate kind. Unfortunately the Dev has had to support this platform, while also being ignored by the RCT3 publisher in some respects. The publisher supposedly stiffed the original creator and is now heading into high court. None the less, the publisher calls the final shots and it is their responsibility to fix the issues at hand or pay a contractor to fix the issues whether it be Frontier or somebody else. Let me go a step further and say perhaps the publisher in question ought to reimburse every customer in its community it stiffed, but I digress, I'll leave that one alone.