Attacked by another player entering a starport
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Not baiting like a troll.
Watch your words.
I just don't take this as seriously as others.
ITS A GAME.
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Any proof for those assumptions would be nice.
Achilles7
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The term 'trolling' is often used - by commenters & mods, alike - as an expedient tool with which to beat someone who is getting the upper hand via repartee & ripping the pee, using one's wit! 'Very easy to counter by simply exclaiming "Troll!"; less so by actually formulating a feisty response or a good one-liner!
I used to be banned from these forums for 'excessive trolling' all the time...but don't worry, I now modulate my trolling to 'just the right amount'.
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The discussion about whether PvP pilots are actually good at piloting is farcical without reference to the PvP League and dedicated PvP groups.
It also needs to take into account the difference between PvP 'footsoldiers' and best-of-the-best.
If you look at the PvP pilots who competed in the final of the most recent (Season 3) PvP League, in vanilla ships except for one g1 mod, their superiority over even other experienced PvP-er was made abundantly evident in every single one of the prior qualifying matches, most of which they steamrolled. And they were steamrolling guys who were in turn put forwards as the best of their own PvP groups, and which in turn would almost certainly be better than groups who didn't compete at all.
As to the question of a fully PvE guy migrating to PvP, we know what happens here because it's happened literally hundreds of times already. Players prominent in groups such as Mobius have migrated to groups such as Adle's Armada, GCI and so on. In so doing they were mentored by players like BreakfastMelon or PoaArctica or even many of the gankstas.
Not one single guy new to PvP, from Solo, from PG, from Mobius, has ever 'schooled the tutors'. It has never happened. After completely one-sided duels, they realise that they don't stand a chance in equal loadouts against those from the best-of-the-best who are willing to give them their time, then according to personality type and the degree of consideration they are shown, either go away disgruntled or stay and learn.
It also needs to take into account the difference between PvP 'footsoldiers' and best-of-the-best.
If you look at the PvP pilots who competed in the final of the most recent (Season 3) PvP League, in vanilla ships except for one g1 mod, their superiority over even other experienced PvP-er was made abundantly evident in every single one of the prior qualifying matches, most of which they steamrolled. And they were steamrolling guys who were in turn put forwards as the best of their own PvP groups, and which in turn would almost certainly be better than groups who didn't compete at all.
As to the question of a fully PvE guy migrating to PvP, we know what happens here because it's happened literally hundreds of times already. Players prominent in groups such as Mobius have migrated to groups such as Adle's Armada, GCI and so on. In so doing they were mentored by players like BreakfastMelon or PoaArctica or even many of the gankstas.
Not one single guy new to PvP, from Solo, from PG, from Mobius, has ever 'schooled the tutors'. It has never happened. After completely one-sided duels, they realise that they don't stand a chance in equal loadouts against those from the best-of-the-best who are willing to give them their time, then according to personality type and the degree of consideration they are shown, either go away disgruntled or stay and learn.
I'm out of rep to give you, but this post deserves a bunch. I migrated from Mobius & Fleetcomm, and I have to say I've met so many awesome pilot's both in terms of skill but also generosity that it's what has kept me playing this game for so many hours. The skill of some of these players is just off the charts.
If you want to play with people that are not mentally , I suggest you try out the Mobius PVE Private Group: https://elitepve.com/
I think it's fair to admit there's likely more variety in flight tactics, but taking away engineering and loadout takes away what is currently by far and away the most important aspect of whether you win or not in combat. Hence why I think it's such a travesty that the current balance is in such a state, as it *should* be most important how well we can individually fly.
It's undeniably easier to kill easy NPCs, but there are challenging varieties out there. That still does not justify the behavior of the knuckleheads I've since ignored in this thread, and it's *exactly* that very behavior that makes Open so unappealing to me and many others - in my case because I've already witnessed it so many times online, and even used to be the tool spouting that nonsense in past games. Not something I look back on with pride, and not something I'm going to stand for if I can help it at all.
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I do see what you're getting at, and it might even be something I'd get into if I wasn't acutely aware that balance is in state of exquisite power gap, hitpoint inflation, and gimmicks galore, that in totality kills the desire I have to participate in PvP. I genuinely do not enjoy competitive PvP games that are rock vs. paper vs. scissors where the outcome's all but determined before a fight begins. (e.g. I brought defense-nullifying gold ammo, but you didn't, so haha I win. No thank you to that!)
And then there is what's been pointed out, in that griefers tend to exploit anything and everything possible to get away with their nonsense, including combat logging. Which is another issue I'd like to get on Fdev's case about if not for the plethora of other more important things going on at the moment.
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Yeah, because all the tutors are the same dedicated PvP Leaguers you just mentioned.
Not to mention it's probably more common that someone making that migration is newer rather than not with the game.edit: I suppose I'll also note I've yet to see PvP Leaguers act in the toxic manner I've referred to, hopefully that trend continues!
But heck, someday perhaps I'll just have to see about that myself.
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Yeah, because all the tutors are the same dedicated PvP Leaguers you just mentioned.
Oh indeed the tutors / top-tier PvP-leaguers are pretty much the same guys across various groups.
But about the people doing the migration, I was referring specifically to the many Elite-ranked PvE-ers with 1000+ hours already on the clock who have moved into PvP and then changed their games around PvP. This is not a small group and when I was in AA, some time ago now, was already quite a steady flow of potential recruits for us and, I gather, later on for GCI and others. When I was in AA the PvP-ers were ranked 'Dangerous' and the PvE-ers were ranked 'Elite' and there was no doubt who was better at PvP, lol ... and this before RNGineering existed.
Moving forwards, though, and admittedly slightly off-topic (but no thread stays on topic for 12 pages...) one thing that has interested me for some time is the possibility of organising an event that might draw more into at least dabbling in PvP, whilst also permitting us to glory in the original (generally very good) combat balance by doing a weekly thing or similar wherein, for example, only the tiniest handful of mods were permitted, with some structure to keep things fresh, and a billing that this was intended for those newer to PvP. Obviously I'd be trying to apply my longstanding interest in PvP outfitting to make it good (hopefully). I think that could be a lot of fun. Watch this space...
Sounds similar to The Sovereignty's Danger Games, though I think they only do it annually. I'm sure they could help!
Which is exactly what I'd expect in good-natured gameplay - the top-of-the-brag-chain players getting together to show others "how it's done" and making points off other similarly-equipped and experienced PvPers. Giving other players "a good show" and the chance to brag & show off. At least, that's how we did it in the Olde Days of Gaming.
Because choosing much-weaker opponents is the hallmark of a bully, not a skilled player. Pretty easy to mow down children in a Cadillac; no skill required. "Role-playing" a sociopath is not skilled. Puking out schoolyard toilet-mouth & purposely provacative insults and a seeming focus on bodily excretions and S&M-like sexual/verbal dominance games is not skill.
I really don't admire cowardly gamers, which is what seal-clubbing and similar assorted tricks are - cowardly. It gives the huge lie to the boasting and braggadocio. Why should I believe in someone's "skillz" if their words paint them as an unskilled & malicious boho? Quite simply, I don't, and I believe many people who forgo Open for private groups feel the same. Adults generally don't wish to swim in a urine-filled kiddie pool.
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That's some smoking hot negativity right there, relayer. Where's all that hate coming from?
Jesus, where on earth have any of Truesilvers posts ever indicated he's an immature seal-clubber or a bully??
Honestly not sure if it was directed specifically at him or not, but as jason said, that's a whole lot of hate.
I really don't think he was directing that at Truesilver. And it's not hard to see where the hate is coming from, unless all of you put the same people on ignore that I did in this thread, lol
None of it directed at any named person in this read. You telling me that that kind of gamer doesn't exist? I'd just point you to the mushroom threads in these forums. This was pertinent to the discussion. Chillax.
Oh - "hate" - just reversing the usual argument of the type. There's certainly enough posts of it to crib from. The swagger, the disdain, the deliberate hurters, and so on and so forth. I really wouldn't call that "hate" - more like 'braggadocio'.
Again, my references are these forums.
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