Sorry, but pages are created so fast hahFrom 50 pages back people have already written about it
Autumn DLC Speculation
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They released the Wetlands Animal pack and Europe Pack announce trailors at 2 bst. Which means it could still be a few hours. Edit: Africa Pack too and the Southeast Asia Pack was announced at 12:00 BST.
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That wasn't my point, and I wasn't forcing you to equate the Himalayan brown bear with the Eurasian brown bear. I was just pointing out how there's a big difference between using species with entirely different body types as substitutes for one another and using another subspecies that differs only in name and maybe a slightly different tint of brown. They're not equivalent.
And again, I am not saying you can't want those animals.
That's four in New Zealand. In Australia I couldn't give you an exact number but they're in a large proportion of zoos, including all the major ones I can think of and many of the smaller ones as well. There's certainly not thousands of zoos in Australia that have Tasmanian devils because there aren't thousands of zoos in Australia. They're also present in just under a dozen zoos elsewhere in the world.
It's a bit rude to assume this off one comment which you didn't even have the full context for. Australia's captive breeding program for Tasmanian devils is one of the most successful in the country, it's the entire reason why they're so widespread in Australian zoos and even why they're found in international zoos in the first place - almost all Tasmanian devils outside of Australia are post-reproductive animals that have been moved out of breeding programs to make more room for devils of breeding age. Devil breeding programs haven't been set up on an international scale because Australia's captive population is already deemed to be extensive enough to ensure the survival of the species, and the tough importation laws would make bringing devils back into the country unviable (especially given their short lifespan).
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56 to be exact!From 50 pages back people have already written about it
That's some dedication to narrow it down
I'm not asking how exactly you know this
Yesterday it was growing fast, even very fast
it's not an rude obesravation, but it's based on the information I have received. In zoos in Australia and New Zealand there is a very small population of Tasmanian devils. Likewise in zoos around the world. Only a few have the species in their collection. I expected Australia, New Zealand and Tasmania to launch an extensive conservation program, given how threatened the species is. And frankly, I expected there to be more government-supported zoos in New Zealand and Australia. Maybe this is really worth fighting for.
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I just quickly scrolled back and saw when comments since yesterday started to be posted. It didn't take quite as long as you think.I'm not asking how exactly you know this
Yesterday it was growing fast, even very fast
If you read what I said, you'd know that Australia's captive devil population is quite large relative to the number of zoos and part of an extensive and highly successful conservation program.
EDIT: According to this article from earlier this year, there are about 650 Tasmanian devils that are part of Australia's captive breeding program. Hardly "very small", especially given there are fewer zoos in Australia than in other countries
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Maybe a silly argument, but Australia simply has fewer zoos than all of Europe. Therefore, this is the reason for the small number of devils in zoos compared to the european brown bear of which there are simply more whether in a zoo or in the wild
My basic knowledge of the devil shows Australia tries it's best in conservation efforts for the devil's which are being seriously hurt by biological issues. There's only so much you can do when an animal essentially has an epidemic on its hands. Of course there is few numbers compared to Europe simply because there are very few major zoos in Oceania.
Only Australia? It seems too little. The species is still under threat of extinction in Tasmania. So a broad conservation project by everyone in the region would be necessary.
Also keep in mind that the Tasmanian Devil's native range is merely the island of Tasmania, while the European Brown Bear has the vast swaths of Eurasia to call home. Additionally, note that the vast majority of Europe is of a climate suitable for human habitation while most of the Australian population lives on the coast due to the whole Hot Red Center thing. Zoos are built near human habitation and despite Australia's vast size, a whole lot of it is frankly a bit unpleasant climactically and not somewhere many people want to live, no offense Aussies.
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I have probably not expressed myself clearly enough here, I'm sorry!
for my taste, the teased animals were too north American oriented. That is why, as a European, I have included a few European animals in the discussion, not because I only want native animals here, but quite simply because with the red fox, the red deer, the European bison and the wild boar, the most important European animals for me would be largely completed, except perhaps the roe deer and, of course, aquatic animals and birds.
I certainly did not want to start a fundamental discussion on European representation. because I am very much in favor of diversity in all packs in terms of genre, species, origin and whatever. for example, I would also like to have the Tasmanian devil, but I don't think he will be in this pack. in the end I am very grateful for every single animal and update, which we will receive until the end of the support (I hope of course as many as possible!)
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As I said, an international breeding program would likely do little good to help wild devils thanks to Australia's tough importation laws and the devil's short lifespan. IIRC if devils were imported back into the country they would need to spend 2 years in quarantine, by which point they're already nearing the end of their reproductive years and so could do little to contribute to either the wild or captive population. Plus, Australia's zoos and conservation centres are already deemed enough to maintain a healthy population of devils in captivity, so an international breeding program isn't necessary.
Sorry, I don't want to offend, but I don't understand what you're getting at?
That the Tasmanian devil is not an important species because, there are more brown bears in zoos?
Just because there is more of something in the zoos does not mean there is more supported for the viability of the species...
Comparing populations with the Eurasian brown bear and Tasmanian devil is confusing , one has a massive range and one is a small island
Most likely. Just when I will be driving home, so I wont be able to check it immeadiately