Aviary Details

[AmyEvans]

Nothing about the word ‘aviary’ implies, let alone requires, that there be more than one species. An aviary can contain just one species.

A mesh enclosure can hold one or more species certainly, an aviary by its own definition "An aviary is a large enclosure for confining birds" Going away from word definitions and simply taking aviaries in the context zoos see them, they are definitely intended to be multi species enclosures, often walkthrough or not. Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with

 

[Iben]

A mesh enclosure can hold one or more species certainly, an aviary by its own definition "An aviary is a large enclosure for confining birds" Going away from word definitions and simply taking aviaries in the context zoos see them, they are definitely intended to be multi species enclosures, often walkthrough or not. Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with

But surely you are then ignoring any aviary that is a single species exhibit? Like for vultures, owls, eagles, etc? What would you call that then?

Aviary in Dutch simply means anything larger than a simple bird cage, aka a cage that allows birds (and birds can just be multiple birds of the same species) to actually comfortably fly.

I understand you're a zookeeper, but I think plenty of other people in the zoo world will heavily disagree with your very narrow definition of the word aviary

 

[AmyEvans]

I want to point out how stupid this is in my opinion.

‐ THE COMMUNITY IS VERY VOCAL ABOUT AVIARY DLC.

- but only birds to represent 7 continents would be VERY, VERY underwhelming (to the point where I don't want to buy that.....I want birds badly but that won't make my zoo look better if there's only one bird to represent all of Africa for example)

- Planet Zoo has a limited llifspan. People theorize maybe 4 or 5 more dlc left

- So aviary dlc with only 8 birds to represent all of eeart's regions is very underwhelming. And only 3 or 4 more dlc remaining would mean only 3 or 4 birds would be added later...12 birds will still be pathetic.

Time IS running out. There are limited dlc's remaining.

Games don't get support forever....to think Planet Zoo will just add birds in each dlc is sooooooo stupid and idealistic and unfounded. (With all due respect).

Only three dlc left...and everybody's like "don't worry we'll get birds later on" No....we won't, time ran out and you were wrong about that.


Especially if we only get like 3 or 4 more dlc....then only 3 or 4 extra birds will be added and they'll cost $30-40 if you want them.

Please someone else realize this. Everybody's like "Oh we'll get birds later in other packs!" That's unfounded.

Especially if one of the remaning dlc is an aquarium pack...doubt we'll get aviary birds In it. Same with a desert pack. I doubt it will have aviary birds. Rethink the adding birds in later dlc argument, it's SO flawed. If this was 2019...it would have been a great idea to add a bird in every dlc...

I definitely have no clue as to how many more dlcs we can expect, I hope many many more, but I'm also aware that there is no precedent for that, so we shall see. I agree with you that waiting over two years to add birds to the game and then just having one representative for every continent would be beyond ridiculous. Nothing Frontier has done up to this point when it comes to PZ makes me believe that this is the way they operate. For goodness sake they even created a European DLC after so many player requests and found a way to conjure four European animals in it.

I do believe that if they were going the route of an 8 bird dlc, we would have seen many birds included in previous dlcs, birds that behaved and were exhibited in zoos similarly to the few birds we already have in the rosters. Pelicans, Ibis, ducks, storks, pheasants even vultures etc, no need to wait for an aviary pack for any of that. My take is that they have been working on something big for this and will surprise everyone.

 

[12344321]

How in hells name is it unfounded if it is literally based on how they handled other mechanic based animals in previous DLCs?

You are free to not like the scenario even when it's the most likely one to happen based on the knowledge we have today, but calling it unfounded is just blatently incorrect.

Respectfully, you think each dlc will include an aviary bird? (flying mechanics). That's fine I don't. I think that is unfounded by definition.

Unfounded - having no foundation or basis in fact.

Did we get swimming animals in each pack since AQUATIC? (swimming mechanics). No.

I feel your theory is unfounded, and not based in facts.

The reason I feel that way is because, Planet Zoo will not add a burrowing animal and an aquatic animal in each upcoming dlc.

Why would they do it with flying mechanics? That has no basis in fact. They haven't done that with other mechanics why do you assume that they will in the future?

Therefore I feel your theory that they WILL add a flying animal in each upcoming dlc is UNFOUNDED.

Because they didn't do it with swimming mechanics. And truthfully only time will tell about burrowing mechanics.

You are entitled to your opinion Time will tell.

 

[Iben]

Oh so you think each dlc will include an aviary bird? That's fine I don't. I think that is unfounded.

Unfounded - having no foundation or basis in fact.

Did we get swimming mechanics in Africa pack????? No. Did we get swimming animals in each pack since AQUATIC? No.

is your theory unfounded, and not based in facts yes.


They will not add a burrowing animal and aquatic animal in each upcoming dlc.

Therefore your theory that they WILL add a flying animal in each upcoming dlc is UNFOUNDED.


You are entitled to your opinion. Time will tell.

I never said that they will be in every pack though. I said that subsequent packs will most likely have more birds, that of course doesn't mean that every pack will have them. And that is based on what we know, because the Africa pack and the North American Animal pack had more diving animals, and both of them also had digging animals. We know that mechanics aren't tied to one single DLC. Aka it's based on facts. I really don't understand how hard it is to get that.

Dude seriously though, calm down a bit. This is still a game we're talking about here. I've seen you bring nothing but negativity wherever you go, shouting and complaining that what other people say is stupid whenever it slightly doesn't fit with what you would like to see. There's nothing wrong with being passionate about the game and it's completely okay not to always be happy with the choices the devs make. But there's certainly a way to communicate that in a better way than you're doing right now.

 

[WolfofAnarchy]

Respectfully, you think each dlc will include an aviary bird? (flying mechanics). That's fine I don't. I think that is unfounded by definition.

Unfounded - having no foundation or basis in fact.

Did we get swimming animals in each pack since AQUATIC? (swimming mechanics). No.

I feel your theory is unfounded, and not based in facts.

The reason I feel that way is because, Planet Zoo will not add a burrowing animal and an aquatic animal in each upcoming dlc.

Why would they do it with flying mechanics? That has no basis in fact. They haven't done that with other mechanics why do you assume that they will in the future?

Therefore I feel your theory that they WILL add a flying animal in each upcoming dlc is UNFOUNDED.

Because they didn't do it with swimming mechanics. And truthfully only time will tell about burrowing mechanics.

You are entitled to your opinion Time will tell.

Iben never said there WILL BE a flying animal in EVERY new DLC. What he was saying was that future dlcs, as with aquatic animals, present the POTENTIAL for further flying animals to be added. So no, the idea is not UNFOUNDED as you say it is. It is perfectly grounded in reality. You just misinterpreted it. So I find it kinda funny that your whole message is chastising people about assumptions when you made one yourself.

 

[AmyEvans]

But surely you are then ignoring any aviary that is a single species exhibit? Like for vultures, owls, eagles, etc? What would you call that then?

Aviary in Dutch simply means anything larger than a simple bird cage, aka a cage that allows birds (and birds can just be multiple birds of the same species) to actually comfortably fly.

I understand you're a zookeeper, but I think plenty of other people in the zoo world will heavily disagree with your very narrow definition of the word aviary

Oh it was not my definition my dear Iben, it was literally copy and paste lol Here I will include a different definition for you:

aviary in American English

(ˈeɪviˌɛri ) nounWord forms: plural ˈaviˌaries. a large cage or building for keeping many birds.

I could get into a very interesting discussion with you about aviaries and their history, at least the actual history of the word and term, but something tells me this would completely deviate the discussion from the topic at hand.

I do however believe that for many players eager in anticipation to see aviaries make it into the game, they expect something a little different that being able to place a roof over the mesh enclosures we already can and have been making, I think that much is clear, but maybe not

Nevertheless my counter point to your argument of the likely 8 birds and our acceptance of it still remains. Not only eight birds would be extremely underwhelming in all fronts, but it would negate the very concept of being able to create mixed species aviaries hopefully you like this one better.

It would be the equivalent of releasing an Aquarium dlc and providing players with species that would require an individual aquarium tank Imagine an aquarium with no coral reef tanks, or multiple fish species interacting with one another. With birds I would even take it a step further and say that this would be an even bigger blunder, because with aquariums you can still get away with displaying certain species of sharks with smaller fish, manta rays, sea turtles, etc. There is no way you can house an Indian Hornbill for example in same aviary as a Toco Toucan, or a secretary bird with bee eaters and so on. Birds are extremely complex, some of the hardest groups of animals to take care of and I'm sure Frontier has taken some of this realities into consideration.

Let me know if I'm going too fast for you.

 

[WolfofAnarchy]

Oh it was not my definition my dear Iben, it was literally copy and paste lol I could get into a very interesting discussion with you about aviaries and their history, at least the actual history of the word and term, but something tells me this would completely deviate the discussion from the topic at hand.

I do however believe that for many players eager in anticipation to see aviaries make it into the game, they expect something a little different that being able to place a roof over the mesh enclosures we already can and have been making, I think that much is clear, but maybe not

Nevertheless my counter point to your argument of the likely 8 birds and our acceptance of it still remains. Not only eight birds would be extremely underwhelming in all fronts, but it would negate the very concept of being able to create mixed species aviaries hopefully you like this one better.

It would be the equivalent of releasing an Aquarium dlc and providing players with species that would require an individual aquarium tank Imagine an aquarium with no coral reef tanks, or multiple fish species interacting with one another. With birds I would even take it a step further and say that this would be an even bigger blunder, because with aquariums you can still get away with displaying certain species of sharks with smaller fish, manta rays, sea turtles, etc. There is no way you can house an Indian Hornbill for example in same aviary as a Toco Toucan, or a secretary bird with bee eaters and so on. Birds are extremely complex, some of the hardest groups of animals to take care of and I'm sure Frontier has taken some of this realities into consideration.

Let me know if I'm going too fast for you.

The history of a term is kind of irrelevant. The meanings of words change. When people speak of aviaries now, the general consensus is that they mean an enclosure designed to house something or many things capable of flying.
Also, in your "copy-paste", it just says birds.
Birds can be two owls. Birds can be two eagles. Birds can be more than one anything. It does not specifically state that it has to be more than one bird species.

Also it's a little rude and condescending to say something like "Let me know if I'm going too fast for you". Calm down, dude. You're getting salty over semantics.

 

[Iben]

Oh it was not my definition my dear Iben, it was literally copy and paste lol I could get into a very interesting discussion with you about aviaries and their history, at least the actual history of the word and term, but something tells me this would completely deviate the discussion from the topic at hand.

Yeah indeed, it would take us too far. I must say, in all the books I've read so far on zoo design and zoo history, nobody ever mentioned that aviaries are always intended to be multi-species, so if you could just point me to the sources you're using that'd be cool I'm always up to learning more and I'm sure it would be an interesting read.

I do however believe that for many players eager in anticipation to see aviaries make it into the game, they expect something a little different that being able to place a roof over the mesh enclosures we already can and have been making, I think that much is clear, but maybe not

I think you're overestimating it though. Yes, this forums has a lot of passionate zoo builders, but let's not forget we're not the only ones. There's a reason why Planet Zoo for instance still includes very themed pieces in all their DLCS and why the game for instance doesn't feature a complicated backstage feature. There's a big part of the audience that doesn't really care for realistic building and just want to build the zoo of their dreams. They just want to have some birds and that's the end of it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in the team of realistic building, but I can completely understand that the majority of players are not into that kind of stuff.

Birds are extremely complex, some of the hardest groups of animals to take care of and I'm sure Frontier has taken some of this realities into consideration.

And all of this boils down again to the fact that games are a compromises. Nothing will ever be perfect, and the complexity of keeping birds is obviously going to be "dumbed down" massively to a point where it will match the current game mechanics of exhibiting animals. And in terms of a game and in terms of development in general, that's absolutely fine in my eyes.

So in my eyes, the compromise of 8 birds to start with is perfectly fine. It's not ideal. It never will be. But it's a start.

Let me know if I'm going too fast for you.

I'm just fine thank you

 

[AmyEvans]

The history of a term is kind of irrelevant. The meanings of words change. When people speak of aviaries now, the general consensus is that they mean an enclosure designed to house something or many things capable of flying.
Also, in your "copy-paste", it just says birds.
Birds can be two owls. Birds can be two eagles. Birds can be more than one anything. It does not specifically state that it has to be more than one bird species.

Also it's a little rude and condescending to say something like "Let me know if I'm going too fast for you". Calm down, dude. You're getting salty over semantics.

I'm perfectly calm are you Also I'm very sorry but I'm not a dude, but good to know you are one. It is actually very polite to ask someone if you are going too fast for them, because for the sake of not inundating the discussion with way too many explanations and definitions I was somewhat brief and vague in the points I made, so by asking if I was going too fast I'm basically letting him know that I can slow down and revisit a point that could still be up for debate.

Somehow I think you missed my entire last post, but definitely will leave definitions behind and maybe focus on expectations. Also who are these people you are referring too? the ones that speak of aviaries, is it zoo visitors ? zoo staff ? game developers ? PZ players ? PZ forum users ? your friends ? That might help a bit.

 

[AmyEvans]

Yeah indeed, it would take us too far. I must say, in all the books I've read so far on zoo design and zoo history, nobody ever mentioned that aviaries are always intended to be multi-species, so if you could just point me to the sources you're using that'd be cool I'm always up to learning more and I'm sure it would be an interesting read.


I think you're overestimating it though. Yes, this forums has a lot of passionate zoo builders, but let's not forget we're not the only ones. There's a reason why Planet Zoo for instance still includes very themed pieces in all their DLCS and why the game for instance doesn't feature a complicated backstage feature. There's a big part of the audience that doesn't really care for realistic building and just want to build the zoo of their dreams. They just want to have some birds and that's the end of it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm in the team of realistic building, but I can completely understand that the majority of players are not into that kind of stuff.


And all of this boils down again to the fact that games are a compromises. Nothing will ever be perfect, and the complexity of keeping birds is obviously going to be "dumbed down" massively to a point where it will match the current game mechanics of exhibiting animals. And in terms of a game and in terms of development in general, that's absolutely fine in my eyes.

So in my eyes, the compromise of 8 birds to start with is perfectly fine. It's not ideal. It never will be. But it's a start.


I'm just fine thank you

I agree that for a game there has to be a compromise and much of the complexity toned down, you definitely have a point there. My thoughts are that if they would be treating birds in such a uniform fashion as a standard eight animal pack, such a project would have been of no consequence really and probably could have been released ages ago.

Think about it Iben, each one of the general bird families you described above could have already being introduced to the game in one form or another, all of them with compromises, but are they really compromises? How many zoos display soaring aviaries for vultures? When is the last time you witnessed a Toucan flying above you in a zoo (don't answer that, I know you visit a lot of zoos, is just part of the point) My point goes alongside yours they actually exist in the same space. If they idea is to compromise and lower the expectations of the game matching real life zoos, then birds should have joined the roster a very long time ago.

Why develop a complex system of new mechanics and possibly add new barriers to the game if all they needed was a bird to fly from point A to point B, we already have that in the game, so why wait so long for something that is as basic and elemental in zoos as Tigers, lions and giraffes.

If the reason why so much time has passed and Frontier has virtually negated the possibility of countless bird species in each past dlc with the exception of the Cassowary, is due to their brewing of something special then wouldn't it make a little sense for it to be a bit bigger? Not by much, 12 to 15 would be a fair compromise.


PS: absolutely love your mustache, reminds me of a painter.

 

[12344321]

Iben never said there WILL BE a flying animal in EVERY new DLC. What he was saying was that future dlcs, as with aquatic animals, present the POTENTIAL for further flying animals to be added. So no, the idea is not UNFOUNDED as you say it is.

Me: To assume Planet Zoo will add birds in EACH of the upcoming dlc is unfounded (not based in any facts)

Because when diving mechanics were introduced alongside Aquatic dlc, we didn't get a swimming animal in each of the next dlc (Europe dlc never had a swimming animal)

Iben asked,

How is it unfounded (not based in facts) that is literally how Planet Zoo handled other mechanic based animals in previous DLCs.

To clarify my point

We might get aviary birds in future dlcs. Personally I see no reason to assume that. If there are 4 dlc remaining (and we get an aviary dlc with 8 birds, plus a bird in each of the remaining 3 dlc that would be very disappointing). And judging by the diving mechanic, I see no reason to assume the remaining dlc WILL have a flying animal. Ie. Europe dlc never had a diving animal.

 

[Mjmannella]

Did we get swimming animals in each pack since AQUATIC? (swimming mechanics). No.

In a way we sort of did? The sun bear was updated later to dive, we got African penguins in the Africa Pack, and the NAAP had 3 semi-aquatic animals (and 1 other that really should dive too). The only pattern-breaker was the recent Europe Pack, which you could argue was the starting point for shifting towards burrowing.
But to bring my comment back to birds, my expectation is that no DLC will have more than 7 full-fledged animals. Given this purview, that's about as many birds we could expect in an "Aviary Pack". The million-dollar question is if Frontier thinks it would be a good idea to implement the necessary mechanics for that few animals. If bats are in demand, that also risks getting less birds.
I have a suspicion that this was the evaluation that Frontier made when they went to add diving to animals. It would explain why we have no obligate aquatic animals in the Aquatic Pack.
If my theory is correct, I think a much more foreseeable option would be 7 habitat birds where no aviary system required. It could still have several bird groups like fowl, pelecaniformes, storks, cranes, more ratites, and other birds that would work fine without roofing.

 

[Bearcat9948]

I think we likely won't get any bats at first, but perhaps after an initial aviary pack. Some months ago I did a public poll on the PZ subreddit and the overwhelming majority of people said they wanted bats in the game if we got flying birds too. And I posted it here, so the CM's could see it, so they should be well aware.

I do think 8 birds is the most realistic, but I would ideally like to see 16. The only reason I think it might be possible to do more than the standard 8 is if they do something like give us a scarlet macaw, green-winged macaw etc. Animals that, once you have the model and feather details done, require very little edits to change into a new species. And for things like macaws, their vocal range is so vast you may as just well have them all use the same sound pool. So for that reason I could see us potentially getting more than 8, but I don't think it should be expected.

 

[NZFanatic]

all they needed was a bird to fly from point A to point B

I would actually prefer this anyway. Much more realistic than birds flying around constantly. Macaws, for example, in zoos, no matter how big the aviary is, are usually in one spot playing with a toy, or climbing around, or, as you say, going from A to B to sit next to another macaw. They don't tend to take full advantage of their space because they don't actually need to.

 

[AmyEvans]

I would actually prefer this anyway. Much more realistic than birds flying around constantly. Macaws, for example, in zoos, no matter how big the aviary is, are usually in one spot playing with a toy, or climbing around, or, as you say, going from A to B to sit next to another macaw. They don't tend to take full advantage of their space because they don't actually need to.

Well there is nothing wrong with that and you are absolutely correct that birds like macaws would benefit very little from any additional currently non existing game mechanics. This was all part of my point that if Frontier wanted to just add a macaw, a toucan an owl, etc, everything was already in place for that. So it brings me to the question of why not include such basic staples of zoo collections with the base game ? Why wait over two years to integrate something into the game that was available since day one. I hope the question is answered soon, at least sooner than later, but it is my intuitive belief that based on the written opinions of many players here, there are a lot of you that will be in disbelieve of what will probably end up being a very different kind of pack.

 

[Iben]

I agree that for a game there has to be a compromise and much of the complexity toned down, you definitely have a point there. My thoughts are that if they would be treating birds in such a uniform fashion as a standard eight animal pack, such a project would have been of no consequence really and probably could have been released ages ago.

It's important to keep in mind that the team isn't as big any more as when they started development on the game. Which is logical, you don't need as many people to work on DLCs as you need to work on a full game.

So with that in mind, it's also good to look at how long it took them to finetune the deepdiving. That took about a year. Let's say that free flying required the same amount of time, due to its complexity I think that's reasonable. In the meantime other parts of the team need to still work on other DLCs, so the fact that we haven't had it yet is simply because of the complexity and the amount of time required to get the mechanics of it to work.

If they idea is to compromise and lower the expectations of the game matching real life zoos, then birds should have joined the roster a very long time ago.

I don't think I was clear about it, I of course didn't mean that they would behave exactly like habitat animals; what I meant is that they will compromise the complexity of keeping birds in the same fashion in which they compromised the complexity of keeping habitat animals.

Of course I still think that things like walkthrough aviaries are going to be a thing. If exhibit-box based birds were ever going to be a thing for instance, then that was something we would have had by now. But I do think that the whole aviary mechanic will be a similar upgrade like the aquatics pack, so I don't suspect it to be a completely game changing mechanic either.

If the reason why so much time has passed and Frontier has virtually negated the possibility of countless bird species in each past dlc with the exception of the Cassowary, is due to their brewing of something special then wouldn't it make a little sense for it to be a bit bigger? Not by much, 12 to 15 would be a fair compromise.

I think everyone thought the same about deep diving, and we ended up getting 4 animals to start with. There's limited time and budget (us devs are expensive after all), which means that the pack size we've been getting so far is probably the most efficient and most profitable format for Frontier. I'm sure they have an entire marketing section that does nothing but calculate those things and make sure the numbers fit.

So that's why I always hammer on not expecting more than 8 birds. You can always dream of more, but at the end of the day it's your own choice to go against what we know so far. So you're responsible for your own expectations here, if you expect more and end up disappointed, then it's on you.

PS: absolutely love your mustache, reminds me of a painter.

Hahaha, thanks!

 

[AmyEvans]

I know the topic of Aviary has been discussed A LOT, but there's an angle that I haven't really seen discussed.
What type of special objects or new gameplay details would you like to see added with an Aviary DLC?

I thought of a few things:
1. A set of dead tree branches
2. "Primary" perching points. You can label a specific log, rock, or tree as a primary perching point for birds to go to.
3. Regarding animal talk points with birds, instead of having the birds eat special food, have them do some flying right by the talk point as a brief "show" for the guests.
4. 2 Aviary DLC's. Credit Leaf's YouTube video for giving me this idea. Space them 1 or 2 DLC's apart. They can be split up by hemisphere, so one being New World and the other being Old World. Or have a general Aviary first and then a Tropical Birds, or Wetland Birds, or Birds of Prey, etc.

Let me know what you think should be added.

To me it has not been discussed enough but back to your question. It all depends on what the pack looks like and I do not only mean species wise, but the general theme.

If we did not receive an update that allow us to create realistic aviaries (Think JWE2 concept but aviaries that look like they could belong in zoos) then we would need additional mesh sections added to the construction tab and I mean a comprehensive mesh pack that allow us to create aviaries of all sorts of shapes and sizes. In hindsight if done correctly this could be a potentially better option than a single aviary style added as a barrier type that would have minimal customization possibilities. Something to think about

As far as enrichment items, this could potentially be the area that gets most of the attention by Frontier, theoretically speaking none of the current enrichment items are suitable for birds.

Appropriate enrichment items for birds:

1. Wood bird chewing toy (A hanging rope with pieces of wood that birds can chew on)
2. Bird Swing bridge (Think about a miniature version of the current enrichment bridges, it could be made of beads, or wood even rope alone)
3. Coconut Fiber Bird House (Exactly what it means)
4. Small Wooden Bird House (Designed for small birds)
5. Medium Wooden Bird House (Designed for medium size birds)
6. Large Hollow Tree Trunk (Designed to house large birds like hornbills)
7. Basket Swing Bird Toy (Enrichment item designed for small birds)
8. Small ball toy (A raptor size ball toy that can be manipulated by them)
9. Small size perching branches (Branches that can be attached to structures for birds to use, ideal for indoor birdhouse)
10. Small bird feeder (Feeder designed for small birds)
11. Medium size bird feeder (Feeder designed for medium birds)
12. Faux Rock bird bath (Flexi color faux rock bird bath that certain bird species can interact with)
13. Metal hanging bird bath (A metal bird bath as an alternative style choice)
14. Weaver hanging nest (This nest would be made of natural materials)
15. Faux Nest with eggs (Exactly what it means)
16. Large Faux Rock Wall Feeder (This will be the largest enrichment item provided for birds, a Faux rock wall that has multiple feeder holes in it and can be used by bee eaters, macaws, parrots, etc.)

I think the above listed items make up a good variety of props that birds can interact with, of course depending on the bird species or pack size this can be adjusted. I would definitely like to see more small tree branches and even small bushes with very little foliage added to the game's nature section. Foliage that allows players to see the birds resting on its branches is critical for the current game. In the future these new foliage additions could be used by primates etc.

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[SotF]

One thing that I could also see is an aviary DLC's free update including a bonus bird, that has a more general use of the mechanic since there is just the Flamingo and Peafowl who might be able to fly in game...perhaps something like the american flamingo adding to it as a freebie to add another bird to it while keeping it a simple one that would work as a reskin.

I think that the enrichment items would depend, largely, upon what birds/animals are used in it.

I could see most of the construction parts being in the free update, mainly since big chunks would be expansions of existing themes. Perhaps a few things like a general birdfeeder and nest boxes as decorations, perhaps wild bird feeders as well.

I'd go with the starting pack as, largely, something that's structured after the animal packs, though the aquatic pack was a normal pack, but with an aviary, you might need more variety to make it work well.

I can also see a variant Exhibit that is more of a larger bird cage for smaller birds such as finches or similar birds. I've seen some smaller bats in exhibits that are of around the same size there as well.

 

[Sahara]

I still don't really believe an aviary pack is happening. I'd like to think it is, but I feel like it's just going to be a typical dlc