@HunterIsCookie I have to agree with your remark on the black rhino. If content goes till the closing of 2022 I believe it’s a front runner for a endangered pack. In comparison I know the capybara is highly requested. I do however believe it would signal this animal was never meant to be in the South American pack and meant to be in a different pack for whatever reason the whole time. Kinda like the giant otter in the aquatic pack which I believe is the way will see more animals released as time goes on. That is of course longer support goes on. With dlc still generating a ton of hype I hope that to be the case.
Best candidates for endangered species pack?
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Thinking about it, i realised that many people's candidates for an endangered species DLC are all highly requested (Taz, leopard, a 2nd horse, black rhino). So, in a way it's like a "Requested Animals" DLC, something many players don't want. I'm kinda curious now: can anybody make an endangered species DLC that has 1 or 2 highly requested animals, and then the rest niche/obscure/casually known but not asked for?
I can try, but I'm not sure how marketable that is (the obscurer animals are bolded):
- Lar Gibbon
- Somali wild donkey
- Persian fallow deer
- Black crested macaque
- Addax
- Scimitar horned oryx
- Chinese alligator
- Exhibit: Radiated tortoise
Actually, that isn't bad. Everybody wants a gibbon, and the addax and orux bring back a lot of ZT2 nostalgia. The Somali donkey is beautiful. That actually would be a cool pack (I'm mostly speaking for myself, of course. Frontier seems to know what they're doing when marketing, and can make any pack look fun. SEA kinda proved that with the hype about the 8 new animals)
This is good but i fight you on the fallow deer.
Theres was alot of understandable backlash against subspecies that were way more obscure then the common one and this would be equaly as crappy as the himalayian Brown bear
It's not a subspecies. It's an entirely different species. The common fallow deer is not endangered.
The situation is more akin to the nile crocodile vs the saltie.
Glad to see someone coming up with this species, but I think it would be a shame to make them exhibit. Of course they are small compared to the Giant Tortoises we got, and also about the same size as some of the other exhibit reptiles, but I still think they deserve a habitat spot. We know they aren't too small for that to work in game.
One thing is we need smaller habitat species in general. Far from a lot of reptiles are good options for that, but among tortoises I would say there are some good candidates. The radiated being one example. I have also often seen them housed in fairly big groups, which is also not possible in a 4x4 exhibit.
Most importantly, it would be such a shame if we couldn't create something like this:
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Man I'd love to have a reptile pack, with a few exhibits and maybe one or two habitat reptiles.
It would be a cool thing to see coming along with an exhibit update with various sizes.
I think radiated tortoise best suited for exhibit due to its size class, even better if we get larger exhibits. There is always the modding possibility to make them habitat animals. As long as frontier makes necessary models and rigs, modders will always make them habitat animals, as we saw with iguanas. So it is a win situation for us either way. I just hope they add as many animals as possible, even if they are exhibit.
I could live with them in a larger exhibit size, but I still don't think it would be ideal since it is not uncommon to find them in open-top outdoor enclosures (where the climate allows it), mixed species enclosures with animals such as lemurs and even walk through enclosures. In general just enclosures larger than the exhibit allows. They are larger than meerkats, so I don't see why they should be too small. In general most tortoises seem fairly easy to do when it comes to animations, so don't see the big issue here either.
Some examples of different enclosures for the radiated tortoise:
Sorry if this is getting of topic
While I agree, the same could be said for Iguanas. They often share exhibits with other animals (I've even seen them with radiated tortoises), yet in the game they are in terrariums
That is true, but I think the difference here is mainly in the animations. We don't have any climbing reptiles, so having the Iguanas as habitat animals would require a lot of work in that area I imagine.
It would be easy to add another tortoise (most species at least), since there wouldn't be big differences in behaviors between those we got and smaller species.
I don't really see any obvious reasons for making them exhibit animals instead of habitat.
- Tasmanian devil - a marsupial predator, endangered. Oceania. Temperate.
- Black rhinoceros - the notable rhino absentee finally making an appearance, critically endangered. Africa. Desert, grassland.
- Przewalski's horse - wild horse, endangered. Europe, Asia. Desert, grassland, taiga, temperate.
- Saiga antelope - the only antelope of its genus, critically endangered. Asia. Desert, grassland, taiga, temperate.
- Pere David's deer - this swamp-living deer species is extinct in the wild. Asia. Temperate, aquatic.
- Iberian lynx - a small cat species, endangered. Europe. Desert, grassland, taiga.
- Northern brown howler monkey - the first howler monkey in the game, critically endangered. North America, South America. Tropical.
- Globe horned chameleon - the first chameleon in the game, endangered. Africa. Tropical.
I included two carnivores, two odd-toed ungulates, two even-toed ungulates, a monkey, and a chameleon.
Each of these animals is a good standalone animal, but with the exception of the two predators they can also be used to fill out multi-species habitats, and they can share habitats with many species already in the game.
Honorable mentions:
- Scimitar horned oryx - too similar / closely related to the gemsbok. Both are from the same genus (Oryx).
- Addax - another African antelope, so went with the saiga instead, which gives us our first Asian antelope.
- Leopard - the leopard is a vulnerable species, and while I could have included an endangered subspecies, players would end up with a leopard subspecies they can't use for their African zoo sections. I think a general 'leopard' is much preferable to a subspecies of leopard, like what the game did with the cheeta. To be fair though, the game is very inconsistent with picking species / subspecies...
- Somali wild ass - I had to pick 1 equine, and I chose the Przewalski's horse.
My wishlist version 2. This is a version I merged with my Arboreal Pack idea in case it was not implemented. The repeating candidates from version 1 are in blod letters.
1. Eastern Black Rhinoceros
2. Przewalski's Horse
3. Lar Gibbon
4. Tasmanian Devil
5. Geoffrey's Spider Monkey (subspecies of the species suggested by thread creator)
6. Goodfellow's Tree kangaroo
7. Golden Lion Tamarin
E. King Cobra
1. Eastern Black Rhinoceros
2. Przewalski's Horse
3. Lar Gibbon
4. Tasmanian Devil
5. Geoffrey's Spider Monkey (subspecies of the species suggested by thread creator)
6. Goodfellow's Tree kangaroo
7. Golden Lion Tamarin
E. King Cobra
Yes, I understand your point but size is only one of the factors. The game has most reptiles in exhibits and most mammals, even small, in habitat. For example, the only exhibit mammal would probably be naked mole rat, while the only habitat tortoises would probably be giant tortoises, including the one in the african sahel, forgot the name.
This is just me making guesses about how game will handle them, not how they can be housed in real life zoos, so I don't disagree with you really. Being able to house them with ring tailed lemurs would be epic, though we would need the lemurs to have grasslands and desert biomes compatibility for the xeric and semi-arid scrub of SW Madagascar.
What I meant was, if exhibit is the only slot we can have them, it would be enough as modders can make them habitat later. If they are not added at all, it is worse.
You know, initially I was thinking that having them as exhibit animals would be better, but you've changed my mind. I think I'd defiitely prefer the radiated tortoise as a habitat animal. For exhibit tortoises things like the Greek tortoise or desert tortoise would be good candidates (not for an Endangered Species Pack mind), but yeah, I think the radiated tortoise and leopard tortoise and those sorts of "middling size" tortoises ought to be habitat animals.