Allow the leader to delegate to trusted members of the Faction.
It's something that you do when you're head of an area in real life, so why wouldn't it work in a game?
Better player faction integration between outside and inside the game
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Allow the leader to delegate to trusted members of the Faction.
It's something that you do when you're head of an area in real life, so why wouldn't it work in a game?
Firstly, my apologies for not understanding this. PS4 cockroach just feeding off the crumbs falling from the table...
Wasn't the Colonia Expansion Initiative a nod in this direction?
Honestly I have read as much as I can but my brain just hurts now, it's only small. Someone explain it to me? Pretty please?
Wasn't the Colonia Expansion Initiative a nod in this direction?
Honestly I have read as much as I can but my brain just hurts now, it's only small. Someone explain it to me? Pretty please?
rootsrat
Volunteer Moderator
CEI was for existing player factions to have a... new player faction established in Colonia. That is all, there was no new functionalities etc. So now the winners have 2 player factions - one in the Bubble and one in Colonia. And they can't pledge or show allegiance to either. Not in game at least.
Ah OK, I think understand a little better. It's not what you are asking for, but do you think it could be a kind of test to see what kind of interest there is in player factions getting more functionality in the game? I don't understand what you mean by 'player faction established in Colonia' as I've come to understand that player factions don't have any real mechanics in game.
Sorry I know I am not really adding anything to your thread, which by the way seems a good idea and one I would support in principal. I've seen the Winged Hussars logos/name a lot in the forum and your faction seems to be a great asset to the community. If there is somewhere you can point me without having to answer my daft questions I would be happy to go and read up!
rootsrat
Volunteer Moderator
The way it works is lie that: before Player Minor Factions were a thing, a lot of the people in Elite came together and formed groups. Also known as "clans" or a "guilds" in other games. These groups have more or less formal structure, their own forums, communication tools, goals in game, they organise events for their members and the community in general. Some of them started to support some minor NPC faction of choice in game. They fought for it, did missions, expand to other systems and so on. At some point Frontier allowed for player groups to apply to have their own minor faction of the same name as their group. These minor factions are exactly the same as the ones already in game, the only difference is, they were named by the players. But the difference is also this - a lot of the groups associate themselves with their minor faction. They don't separate their out-of-game entity and in-game entity.
I'll give you an example of our group. I have created The Winged Hussars for the Polish community of Elite. We created our separate forums, bought our own Team Speak server to communicate and so on. I wanted a place where I could unite the Polish community and fly together, organise some events together, participate in CG's and so on. When FDEV allowed for player factions, we have applied and we invented the back story for The Winged Hussars faction, we've had a big event of searching for a suitable home system for us. When TWH faction was inserted into the game, we considered it as US, The Winged Hussars. It wasn't a random NPC faction, it was OUR faction. We are The Winged Hussars and we are in game now. Unfortunately, we are not able to show this anywhere, as we can't display TWH name anywhere in game - unlike NPC ships, who can display the faction they belong to. And this is all I am asking for in OP. To be able for the members of my group to be able to affiliate themselves with our in game faction, but as you can imagine, as we are closed group, we wouldn't like for anyone else to be able to do that without our consent. I think it's quite fair, considering we have created TWH and everything it stands for - and that this addition won't affect anybody's gameplay. Anyone will be still able to support or act against our faction. All that we would have is the faction name under our names.
Considering there are hundreds of thousands of factions for everyone to support in the populated space and we are the actual creators of TWH, it's lore, history and we are also behind 2 years of hard work for all that the faction have achieved in game, I really think that it's not that much to ask
As for Colonia, at some point Jacques station mis-jumped and got lost in space. It was later found in the system that was renamed to Colonia. The community asked Frontier if we could have a new human colonies created in that area, to create a new populated "bubble", 20 k LY away from Sol. Frontier thought it's a nice idea (and it was!) and so Colonia Expansion Initative was started. Each of the player groups (and most of them already had their factions in game) was able to compete to create a NEW faction in Colonia and the winners would get a planetary base with their new faction controlling it. So we have applied The Winged Hussars Colonia Initiative and won the first round, coming in 2nd place. And so we have 2 factions in game now, where TWH is our main faction and TWHCI is like a baby-faction, a far away, deep space research part of our main faction in Colonia.
Hope this explains that to you! And sorry if I sound a bit chaotic, I'm tired after work today...
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Thank you, that was really helpful I have a much better understanding of player factions now. Best of luck with your request =]
Not to mention that you have to modify the name of the group in Colonia so it is not the same name as you normal in game faction the way I understand it
I would really like to see this implemented. The process needs to stay in the hands of the faction leaders though. Sure there will be 5c attempts but the leaders can vet during the application process and remove the faction label if its needed. Nothings perfect but its not like said faction leaders would let problems arise out of freely handing out tags.
rootsrat
Volunteer Moderator
That is correct.
Yes, definitely. And if people are worried about leaders quitting the game, there could be a limited number of officers appointed that would also be able to handle the requests and for example notify Frontier when a leader becomes inactive.
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I am not a big friend of "managed groups" in a game (saying that as one of the Admins of the "EDC Flying Tiger Squadron", who are registered with FD as well right from the start about two years ago and who are present in 19 systems, "owning" most of them - and who are in control of 35 stations in those). As such, I don't like the idea to create any in-game groups which get managed by players.
Instead, I would propose a very simple thing, which would actually support even more players in playing their game in the way they want to play:
FD should just add the option to pledge allegiance to any minor faction (of course only to one at the same time) - maybe in the same way as the pledging in PP works, only for a minor faction (and with less advantages and less punishment for "defecting" to another faction).
This way, even single players could pledge allegiance to their favourite faction (be it a player faction or not - after all, who cares if your player faction has more supporters than the ones who are actually "registered" on your own web-/Facebook-page? The more, the better!
And as a bonus for doing so, every player who is pledged to a minor faction would e.g. get a bonus / discount when trading at any station owned by that minor faction - depending on your own reputation with that faction, e.g.
The bonus/discount would be applied to everything at the stations owned by the minor faction, e.g. commodities, refuel/restock/repair, shipyard, outfitting, bounties (only from that minor faction), combat bonds (only from that minor faction) and exploration data - I would exclude fines, though (for quite obvious reasons - after all, you are not supposed to work against that minor faction, right? ).
This would help people to kind of "feel at home" in the systems owned by the minor faction they pledged alliance to, without taking away anything. And since everybody could simply pledge to any minor faction, it wouldn't give members of player groups any advantages over players who don't want to be part of a player group.
As I wrote, defecting should work in a similar way as it does in PP - only with less punishment (since it's not such a big deal compared to PP), e.g. that you cannot pledge to another minor faction for 24 (or 48) hours after defecting (to reduce the exploit chances).
Since you don't get any "secrets" by just pledging to a group, it shouldn't be a problem for your group's role play and goals - since all your RP and lore are on your own group's web-/Facebook page, so somebody who pledges to your player faction in game won't get any hold on anything like that (unless your members tell them in the chat... but it would be fun to have the possibilities to have some "spies" - read: players who pledge to the minor faction in game only and then try to get gather intelligence from your group member's via chat - in game through that as well :O ).
This idea would be quite inclusive (and for sure much easier to implement for FD, since no "group management interface" is needed) than having player managed groups who can control who pledges to "their" minor faction.
Just my 2 cents.
Instead, I would propose a very simple thing, which would actually support even more players in playing their game in the way they want to play:
FD should just add the option to pledge allegiance to any minor faction (of course only to one at the same time) - maybe in the same way as the pledging in PP works, only for a minor faction (and with less advantages and less punishment for "defecting" to another faction).
This way, even single players could pledge allegiance to their favourite faction (be it a player faction or not - after all, who cares if your player faction has more supporters than the ones who are actually "registered" on your own web-/Facebook-page? The more, the better!
And as a bonus for doing so, every player who is pledged to a minor faction would e.g. get a bonus / discount when trading at any station owned by that minor faction - depending on your own reputation with that faction, e.g.
| Hostile | -2% |
| Unfriendly | -1% |
| Neutral | 0% |
| Cordial | 1% |
| Friendly | 2% |
| Allied | 3% |
The bonus/discount would be applied to everything at the stations owned by the minor faction, e.g. commodities, refuel/restock/repair, shipyard, outfitting, bounties (only from that minor faction), combat bonds (only from that minor faction) and exploration data - I would exclude fines, though (for quite obvious reasons - after all, you are not supposed to work against that minor faction, right?
).This would help people to kind of "feel at home" in the systems owned by the minor faction they pledged alliance to, without taking away anything. And since everybody could simply pledge to any minor faction, it wouldn't give members of player groups any advantages over players who don't want to be part of a player group.
As I wrote, defecting should work in a similar way as it does in PP - only with less punishment (since it's not such a big deal compared to PP), e.g. that you cannot pledge to another minor faction for 24 (or 48) hours after defecting (to reduce the exploit chances).
Since you don't get any "secrets" by just pledging to a group, it shouldn't be a problem for your group's role play and goals - since all your RP and lore are on your own group's web-/Facebook page, so somebody who pledges to your player faction in game won't get any hold on anything like that (unless your members tell them in the chat... but it would be fun to have the possibilities to have some "spies" - read: players who pledge to the minor faction in game only and then try to get gather intelligence from your group member's via chat - in game through that as well :O ).
This idea would be quite inclusive (and for sure much easier to implement for FD, since no "group management interface" is needed) than having player managed groups who can control who pledges to "their" minor faction.
Just my 2 cents.
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I am not a big friend of "managed groups" in a game (saying that as one of the Admins of the "EDC Flying Tiger Squadron", who are registered with FD as well right from the start about two years ago and who are present in 19 systems, "owning" most of them - and who are in control of 35 stations in those). As such, I don't like the idea to create any in-game groups which get managed by players.
Instead, I would propose a very simple thing, which would actually support even more players in playing their game in the way they want to play:
FD should just add the option to pledge allegiance to any minor faction (of course only to one at the same time) - maybe in the same way as the pledging in PP works, only for a minor faction (and with less advantages and less punishment for "defecting" to another faction).
This way, even single players could pledge allegiance to their favourite faction (be it a player faction or not - after all, who cares if your player faction has more supporters than the ones who are actually "registered" on your own web-/Facebook-page? The more, the better!
And as a bonus for doing so, every player who is pledged to a minor faction would e.g. get a bonus / discount when trading at any station owned by that minor faction - depending on your own reputation with that faction, e.g.
Hostile -2% Unfriendly -1% Neutral 0% Cordial 1% Friendly 2% Allied 3%
The bonus/discount would be applied to everything at the stations owned by the minor faction, e.g. commodities, refuel/restock/repair, shipyard, outfitting, bounties (only from that minor faction), combat bonds (only from that minor faction) and exploration data - I would exclude fines, though (for quite obvious reasons - after all, you are not supposed to work against that minor faction, right?
This would help people to kind of "feel at home" in the systems owned by the minor faction they pledged alliance to, without taking away anything. And since everybody could simply pledge to any minor faction, it wouldn't give members of player groups any advantages over players who don't want to be part of a player group.
As I wrote, defecting should work in a similar way as it does in PP - only with less punishment (since it's not such a big deal compared to PP), e.g. that you cannot pledge to another minor faction for 24 (or 48) hours after defecting (to reduce the exploit chances).
Since you don't get any "secrets" by just pledging to a group, it shouldn't be a problem for your group's role play and goals - since all your RP and lore are on your own group's web-/Facebook page, so somebody who pledges to your player faction in game won't get any hold on anything like that (unless your members tell them in the chat... but it would be fun to have the possibilities to have some "spies" - read: players who pledge to the minor faction in game only and then try to get gather intelligence from your group member's via chat - in game through that as well :O ).
This idea would be quite inclusive (and for sure much easier to implement for FD, since no "group management interface" is needed) than having player managed groups who can control who pledges to "their" minor faction.
Just my 2 cents.
This^^
I'd be happy if there was a time gate to Pledge to an in game Minor Faction.
Allied plus a month cool off. = Pledge.
Defect = two month cool down.
That should be a deterrent to any but the most hardcore of False Flaggers.
Countdown to "Pledge Day"
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Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Could work (I especially like the cool-downs) - although it would not seem to handle pledged CMDRs attacking / destroying each other - I'd expect that there would have to be some form of penalty for attacking a clean CMDR pledged to the same Faction.
Why? Your faction is the sci-fi equivalent of a biker gang. Anyone can stencil "Sons of Anarchy" on their jacket if they want to. It's your job to enforce the tag and make sure it means something if it's something you care about, not the devs. You don't get to wave a magic wand and suddenly control what game features people can and can't access.
If you want more than that, then you can grow the group in size and influence until it becomes a Power, like Yuri Grom. At which point you can start to claim territory and take pledges and have an affiliation tag and show up in the GalMap. That is literally the bare minimum before your group should ever be able to start throwing their weight around and intruding on the main game. And even then you don't get to have a single person dictating who can and can't affiliate with your group.
No individual player should ever have admin privileges over any aspect of any other player's game. Use the ship ID tags to identify to each other, and do the work required to enforce those tags if it's so important to you.
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Words to live by.
Jane Turner
Volunteer Moderator
This is very much where I was coming from all the way back on the first few posts.
People should be able to pledge to any minor faction - not just the player factions and adopted ones. If a player group is false flagged - that's where good PR comes in. For it to become an issue it will have to manifest in Discord/Reddit/forum drama - which is where it should be dealt with. Not only false flagging but double bluff false flagging should be a thing. If this goes ahead I can see us running an official CIU pilot roster
People should be able to pledge to any minor faction - not just the player factions and adopted ones. If a player group is false flagged - that's where good PR comes in. For it to become an issue it will have to manifest in Discord/Reddit/forum drama - which is where it should be dealt with. Not only false flagging but double bluff false flagging should be a thing. If this goes ahead I can see us running an official CIU pilot roster
I support the basic idea of the proposal.
The details are useless to talk about here. The FDev will deal with them.
Why?
People in the UK atacck people in the UK all the time. We have a C & P system in game (in the UK obviously as well), I cannot see why it is different from a player pledged to faction A attacking a clean NPC form faction B.
Simon
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Why should CMDRs receive no Faction penalty for attacking / destroying CMDRs pledged to the same Faction? There'd quite reasonably be a reputation hit that could, ultimately, forcibly un-pledge the attacking CMDR.
Pledging to a Faction could be considered to me akin to applying for residency (as in most cases the Faction in question will not be in the home system of the CMDR) - and bad behavior would reasonably result in expulsion.
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But why should they recieve a faction penalty? Actually they technically would today, their rep with the faction would reduce, in the same way as attacking an NPC of faction A reduces your rep with faction A. I just do not get why you singled it out as a special case from a game mechanics point of view.
I think what I am asking is: I am missing something - why do you think it is a special case?
Simon
Did an edit.
Actually I believe you should have to be allied to pledge to a minor faction. Lose your allied status, and you become unpledged. Which is arguably a punishment, fail too mant missions, shoot too many people on the same side etc.
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