You calling people snowflakes in the ship-rebalancing topic is real classy however.
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Beyond Final Chapter: Where's The New Gameplay Aside From Planet Mapping?
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You calling people snowflakes in the ship-rebalancing topic is real classy however.
Its easier to be a totally uninformed doomsayer, that way you can't get the specifics wrong.
It really depends on what you mean by "gameplay", OP. I mean, its definition is:
So by that definition, there were at least two new types of gameplay on display in the livestream, those being the brand new system scanning method and the brand new planetary probing method. That counts for two new bits of gameplay, and considering how the game has been played over the last 4 years in terms of exploration, the gameplay changes are significant, so not in a "oh it's only two things" kind of way, because those two things are huge.
Arguable whether the Codex constitutes gameplay, as it is more to do with directing people to existing gameplay loops (unless some of the new discoveries will have drastically different actions for them other than the familiar scan/shoot actions, but we're going to have to wait for that).
Night vision, orrery and UI changes aren't gameplay.
But remember, this update may be not be adding loads of gameplay changes, but the ones that are coming are significant departures from what has been before, and the rest of the update seems to be about tying existing gameplay loops together so that we get less of the feeling that things are just bolted on. Also remember that as others have said, the exploration livestream was only a quarter of what's being revealed, so expect new gameplay in the next livestreams.
So by that definition, there were at least two new types of gameplay on display in the livestream, those being the brand new system scanning method and the brand new planetary probing method. That counts for two new bits of gameplay, and considering how the game has been played over the last 4 years in terms of exploration, the gameplay changes are significant, so not in a "oh it's only two things" kind of way, because those two things are huge.
Arguable whether the Codex constitutes gameplay, as it is more to do with directing people to existing gameplay loops (unless some of the new discoveries will have drastically different actions for them other than the familiar scan/shoot actions, but we're going to have to wait for that).
Night vision, orrery and UI changes aren't gameplay.
But remember, this update may be not be adding loads of gameplay changes, but the ones that are coming are significant departures from what has been before, and the rest of the update seems to be about tying existing gameplay loops together so that we get less of the feeling that things are just bolted on. Also remember that as others have said, the exploration livestream was only a quarter of what's being revealed, so expect new gameplay in the next livestreams.
Comforting to see a rational reply, thanks! The NV night vision mode adds to the experience which I agree. But at the end of the day the gameplay remains the same which is too bad as the gameplay is what keeps myself and others away from playing Elite.
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You still haven't verified what kinds of gameplay you're missing out on here. What do you want from Elite that isn't there? Just saying depth and gameplay could mean twenty things.
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Here are some rhetorical questions for you: How does the new exploration mechanics not constitute "new gameplay?" How hard is it for you to understand that they (fdev) are parceling out the new gameplay into four separate streams, of which we've only been shown the exploration one? How is it that you are so oblivious to your own words and actions that you don't recognize that it is YOU who are howling for attention?
Here is a legitimate question that I'd actually be curious enough to read an answer: are you really this dense, or is this thread and your subsequent replies to people who've given you perfectly valid and reasonable answers simply an amateurish attempt at trolling the forum?
Pretty sad that I can't tell which, tbh.
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Quite so. OP probably also didn't want to watch the first stream because it clearly shows FD improving the game and the naysaying proved wrong about Frontier's ongoing committment to ED. These kind of trolls game the forum with their salt because it's addictive to blame'n'shame FD and ED when the naysaying-fun bandwagon is running amuck again like it did in the summer. It's hilarious to see the trollish remarks here and on yt when they were blasting FD after the Gnosis jump event with carriers dev sacrificed for later, and saying the game was dead on maintenance mode for good and 3.3 wouldn't be worth it; all that finally silenced (for now, it's a neverending sinusoidal cycle of blame seguing to diluted salt with some praise and back again) except for the usual "the new stuff should have been in the game on day 1", "fd shouldn't have made other games", etc.
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But seriously, get back on topic. What were the other new gameplay items?
This is what is being asked. I did t see any other gameplay items aside from the planet mapping. Are there more?
I saw the Codex. If it works like I think, it opens doors for a lot more interactive exploration, providing context and reason to go out and do more things. If that's not your bag, then yeah, there probably isn't anything in this reveal section you want, but again you haven't really said what you're looking for, which makes it super tough to know what you consider gameplay if you didn't see any in the stream. For me, the Codex looks like the start of finally tying all this random data and experiences into a much more cohesive galactic experience. That may not be gameplay to you, IDK. It is for me.
Personally I see a lot of potential goodness in what was shown, beyond UI updates and that kind of thing; it's interested me in deep-black exploration, now that there are more things to find and more ways to find them that don't involve massive wastes of time doing something completely uninteresting. The interactivity of data sharing and the "breadcrumbs" for exploration hooks, combined with the new scanner systems, seems a lot cooler to me than just flying out blankly hoping I stumble onto some random thing using my bare eyes to stare at a planet for endless hours. The new stuff I think will provide a more structured approach to getting out there while not being too much of "hey go here, press this thing" kind of nose-leading gameplay.
The Codex looks like it can also be a jumping-off point for a lot more seeded "adventures". IDrecall seeing anything specific about the Scenarios that people have been talking about, that looks like it is on RPS or somesuch review site; haven't looked at that because I dislike knowing what my mini-stories will be before I experience them. Might be worth it for you to take a peek tho.
Overall this is also a lot more work going on than I think you may be giving them credit for. You have to admit you're coming at this from a "well let's see if they can finally impress me" kind of vibe, which isn't really good for allowing you to see what might be available. Plus we have three more streams of stuff. IDK if mining is going to interest you either, but I know some folks are already warming up to the idea of "anti-mining", using mining dets to asploed people with asteroid frags. For me, FD is finally filling in a lot of the blanks we've had for quite some time, so on the whole if they pull off even half of what they're doing it'll improve my whole game experience. YMMV ofc.
Lack of reading comprehension, for the many comments within this thread?
Wasn't that the subject of the Live-stream though?
I think that is why you are running into a brick-wall.
That stream was about the New Exploration Mechanics, and next week is BSG and Scenario improvements.
Your OP says
"From the livestream it seems the only new gameplay mechanic in the final chapter of Beyond is mapping a planet. "
The Mistake you have made is assuming that that live-stream was the sum of the final chapter of beyond, excludes what the rumors in the codex might entail game play wise and asserts that there are not live-streams covering more topics such as https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-10-2018)-Background-Simulation-and-Scenarios, and the improvements to mining having a live stream on the 1st of November
Now you know how I feel lolSomeone is unable to read...
Lack of comprehension perhaps on your part. Where in the livestream, topic of this OP, does it talk of the codex and new gameplay?
If you didn't see them talking about the Codex in the LiveStream it is evident you never watched the LiveStream.
I guess the OP should go watch Obsidian Ant's new video where he mentions voice acted scenarios around the megaships.
Your actions determine the outcome of the scenario. Should be in the next livestream on Thursday.
Your actions determine the outcome of the scenario. Should be in the next livestream on Thursday.
Please cut out the personal attacks. No matter how egregious you find a post or an opinion, treat each other with respect.
All of the answers to the questions asked can be found in the live stream below; no other information is known at this time.
[video=youtube_share;rtmmmP_waf4]https://youtu.be/rtmmmP_waf4[/video]
All of the answers to the questions asked can be found in the live stream below; no other information is known at this time.
[video=youtube_share;rtmmmP_waf4]https://youtu.be/rtmmmP_waf4[/video]
Nope, all I saw was changed exploration, more exploration and blowing up asteroids that people call reworked mining. It's the collector limits that were the problem. And that trading payed more so why would you?