"Beyond" free for Horizon owners - LEP musings

[WR3ND]

Considering that the next "updates" are going to be QoL stuff and bug fixes for the most part, yeah I would feel peeved if I was an LEP owner.

From what I've gathered reading this thread, the majority of LEP owners are glad that this QoL/game refinement type stuff is coming for "free" to Horizons owners (which include the LEP owners), myself and apparently the OP too now included, if you read further into the thread.

Some are just concerned about their early purchase of additional paid-for seasons/expansions/what have you being fulfilled. It's been two years with no word about it from Frontier, so I think it's reasonable that some are concerned, considering that it was generally expected at the time that there would be a full expansion each subsequent year.

I personally think there are likely to be further paid-for expansions (or similar) after 2018, but it would still be nice to have some reassurances or at least acknowledgment from Frontier regarding the situation.

 

[KING5TON]

I can only wonder at how the boardroom meeting went when it was suggested a whole years worth of output be given away free/no additional cost to Horizons/LEP owners..

I suspect that it contained a chart showing how much money they made off cosmetics VS how much they made from Horizons.
If you've seen the "How much have you spent on the store" thread there's multiple people that have spend hundreds of pounds on cosmetics, some over £1000! Crazy I know.
I would not be surprised if they are many more cosmetics added to the store over the next year.
You will be milked, just not for "content".

 

[Cmdr Ultra]

You will be milked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVL1u1eLX3I

 

[BurnyBurns]

I think it's the right way to go ; the yearly season model just does dwindle the player base. Still I have a bitter taste i my mouth when I think of the 165€ I cashed in for the LEP, when I could have got Horizons and be good until Q4 2018 - at the very least. When I bought LEP in August 2015, the (10y)plan was one extension per year, and even then the added-value of the LEP was a gamble : it would be covered after about three extensions/seasons. Now we know that Horizons lasts for three years... FDev should really seriously consider some perks, or partial refunds by now.

I mean, really? I also bought the LTP in 2015. There was never a promise that nobody else would get "free stuff", only that you'd receive paid addons for the game for a one time price. These types of things are always a gamble and it's not like they've kept begging LTP owners for continued more and more expensive digital item purchases to the tune of thousands of dollars without delivering them (looking at you, Star Citizen). I can lay back and may decide five or ten years from now whether it was worth it or not. Not to mention that you're preemptively complaining about the future benefits or lack thereof your LTP may or may not bring.

The one thing where I would be a bit salty, is if they made the whole game a "Free 2 Play" offering. Why should I be any more disappointed or entitled than any other customer who bought the game for whatever price at whatever time before the fact though? It's up to Frontier to decide how they keep the game alive or not. We're free to continue playing and supporting them or to walk away if we so chose.

 

[Fishy]

As a LEP owner and knowing FD are a business who's objective is to make a profit, I can only wonder at how the boardroom meeting went when it was suggested a whole years worth of output be given away free/no additional cost to Horizons/LEP owners...

The board was delighted with the predicted sales from another round of 'exclusive' gold/chrome paint jobs, rainbow exhaust trails. and 3 new suit colour variants of the DBOBE bobblehead.

 

[KING5TON]

it's not like they've kept begging LTP owners for continued more and more expensive digital item purchases to the tune of thousands of dollars

PSST!

FD have a store that sells cosmetics that LTP owners are expected to pay for because cosmetics aren't "Content" somehow even though they're in the game.
Combined the cosmetics cost well over $1000.
You must not be aware when you're posting things like that so I thought i'd point it out to save future embaresment.

 

[WR3ND]

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Just a suggestion, but you might want to read further into the thread as well.

On the other hand, maybe they should update the OP too.

Oh well, the band plays on.

Enjoy.

 

[Zak Gordon]

Whoa what?

I'm a Lifetime Expansion Pass holder (digital only version) from the original Kickstarter, and so far have not even started playing yet. I've been waiting for what i suppose could be called 'quality of life improvements' before jumping in (i'm a very patient person!).

There were a couple of things that may be fixed now, but last time i looked at the game (like 2-3 years ago iirc) stuff like your set scanner range would keep auto-adjusting to minimum range after each jump, rather than stay at the setting you had last set it too (i like my scanner at full range as a default), and there were numerous other little 'quality of life' things like this that just made it too frustrating for me to want to start playing.

Now my understanding when i got the LEP was that it basically gave me access to everything that came out for ED, but now if i'm reading this thread right it seems what people are calling 'quality of life' improvements are not included in that? So what has 'Lifetime Expansion Pass' now come to mean exactly?

Now at a mere £80 for the LEP when it was first offered, i can not complain really....except that it really has been 'quality of life' issues that have kept me out the game so far. Can i buy them separately maybe and if so how much will they be?

 

[BurnyBurns]

PSST!

FD have a store that sells cosmetics that LTP owners are expected to pay for because cosmetics aren't "Content" somehow even though they're in the game.
Combined the cosmetics cost well over $1000.
You must not be aware when you're posting things like that so I thought i'd point it out to save future embaresment.

Unfortunately, the embarassment is on your side. [haha] Which cosmetics have prevented us from playing every single feature of the game? Let me think... Oh, right! None. How have cosmetics ads been shoved down the players' throats with the ever looming promise of maybe some day releasing the game? Oh, right! They haven't been.

Really, it's everybody's own issue, if they're compulsively purchasing purely cosmetic virtual goods that have no effect whatsoever on the playability of the game's features. That includes my own purchases.

 

[Fishy]

Now my understanding when i got the LEP was that it basically gave me access to everything that came out for ED, but now if i'm reading this thread right it seems what people are calling 'quality of life' improvements are not included in that? So what has 'Lifetime Expansion Pass' now come to mean exactly?

Yes, you'll have access to that too. Everyone who purchased Horizons will have access to that, and your LEP means that you have Horizons. The only thing you don't get with the LEP is the cosmetics, as they need to be purchased on the store.

 

[WR3ND]

Whoa what?

I'm a Lifetime Expansion Pass holder (digital only version) from the original Kickstarter, and so far have not even started playing yet. I've been waiting for what i suppose could be called 'quality of life improvements' before jumping in (i'm a very patient person!).

There were a couple of things that may be fixed now, but last time i looked at the game (like 2-3 years ago iirc) stuff like your set scanner range would keep auto-adjusting to minimum range after each jump, rather than stay at the setting you had last set it too (i like my scanner at full range as a default), and there were numerous other little 'quality of life' things like this that just made it too frustrating for me to want to start playing.

Now my understanding when i got the LEP was that it basically gave me access to everything that came out for ED, but now if i'm reading this thread right it seems what people are calling 'quality of life' improvements are not included in that? So what has 'Lifetime Expansion Pass' now come to mean exactly?

Now at a mere £80 for the LEP when it was first offered, i can not complain really....except that it really has been 'quality of life' issues that have kept me out the game so far. Can i buy them separately maybe and if so how much will they be?

Nah, they're included. Just read the thread when you have the time to help sort out some of the details. Wait, it's 31 pages now... OK, maybe not then. [haha]

Also, AFAIK, scanner range is static and based on the type and grade of the scanner you're using.

For a while there some of the function settings in the HUD panel on the right would revert to defaults occasionally, but this has been fixed for me for probably at least a year now. There were also some similar issues with the selection options on the galaxy map, which also seem to be resolved now.

Yes, you'll have access to that too. Everyone who purchased Horizons will have access to that, and your LEP means that you have Horizons. The only thing you don't get with the LEP is the cosmetics, as they need to be purchased on the store.

But yeah, this. ↑

 

[babelfisch]

Not very relevant to what people are talking about in this thread either way though, at least those who are staying on topic.

I also doubt people who got the LEP at the Horizons announcement (such as the OP) would be complaining much of there being a lack of an off-line mode. I certainly am not.

I was obviously not talking about you or the other more reasonable people in this thread. There is however a certain part of the community that is particularly toxic, it was them I was talking about.

Whoa what?

I'm a Lifetime Expansion Pass holder (digital only version) from the original Kickstarter, and so far have not even started playing yet. I've been waiting for what i suppose could be called 'quality of life improvements' before jumping in (i'm a very patient person!).

There were a couple of things that may be fixed now, but last time i looked at the game (like 2-3 years ago iirc) stuff like your set scanner range would keep auto-adjusting to minimum range after each jump, rather than stay at the setting you had last set it too (i like my scanner at full range as a default), and there were numerous other little 'quality of life' things like this that just made it too frustrating for me to want to start playing.

Now my understanding when i got the LEP was that it basically gave me access to everything that came out for ED, but now if i'm reading this thread right it seems what people are calling 'quality of life' improvements are not included in that? So what has 'Lifetime Expansion Pass' now come to mean exactly?

Now at a mere £80 for the LEP when it was first offered, i can not complain really....except that it really has been 'quality of life' issues that have kept me out the game so far. Can i buy them separately maybe and if so how much will they be?

No, you got everything completely wrong.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

If I was a LEPer I would be really salty about the engineers souring that investment.

 

[WR3ND]

I was obviously not talking about you or the other more reasonable people in this thread. There is however a certain part of the community that is particularly toxic, it was them I was talking about.

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My mistake then. Not always easy keeping up with exactly who is talking about what and when all the time.

If I was a LEPer I would be really salty about the engineers souring that investment.

I'm not sure what you mean. I haven't really bothered all that much with the Engineers.

Do you mean that they're being worked on and modified still, so are taking dev time?

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Never mind. I see what you mean now. Yeah, I'm not all that keen on how the Engineers were implemented, but for the most part I can get along just fine without bothering with them at least though, since I'm not much of one for the PVP meta. I do hope that they're made a bit more user friendly and accessible in general. I'm not interested in the "craft and trash" mechanic, and selling billions of credits (or whatever it is) worth of commodities to Marco Qwent doesn't seem to be worth my in-game time much at all so far. Likewise, I'm not all that worried about getting "god rolls," just maybe gaining access to the top teirs for the mods I might be interested in.

 

[lysan]

If I was a LEPer I would be really salty about the engineers souring that investment.

I got my monies worth by now, I don't really get salty about my LEP. I would like an autopilot and NPC crew though, but that is another discussion not related to my LEP

 

[KING5TON]

Unfortunately, the embarassment is on your side. [haha] Which cosmetics have prevented us from playing every single feature of the game? Let me think... Oh, right! None. .

I don't think I did say cosmetics were preventing people playing, just pointing out that charging for optional extras which cost thousands of $ when you add them up is also something ED does. So I'd be careful with your mud slinging as you look a bit hypocritical for complaining about CIG when FD do basically the same thing.

How have cosmetics ads been shoved down the players' throats with the ever looming promise of maybe some day releasing the game? Oh, right! They haven't been.

So you're saying I have to buy ships in SC to play the game now? That they aren't optional extras? Can you provide a source for that please as that's not my understanding.
I also wasn't aware that these optional purchases were shoved down your throat? Maybe they've missed me off the mailing list or something as I don't hear anything from CIG unless I go look for information.

Really, it's everybody's own issue, if they're compulsively purchasing purely cosmetic virtual goods that have no effect whatsoever on the playability of the game's features. That includes my own purchases.

Can you confirm exactly what playability we all got from the commander creator? A feature we paid for that FD spent development time on instead of improving other aspects of Horizons.

 

[babelfisch]

If I was a LEPer I would be really salty about the engineers souring that investment.

I am happy that I got the LEP, and I will still be happy in 6 years after we've seen another 3 paid expansions that I didn't need to pay for. I think I'll buy some skins then though, to give them the money they deserve. Otherwise I would feel guilty just paying a few bucks for 10 years of development.

 

[Jex =TE=]

Problem is, they didn't cut staff. There are still over 100 people working on ED.

So people keep saying yet no proof of this is put forward.

SC has 300 people so I suppose ED will be 3 times slower now?

 

[Whitehair]

So people keep saying yet no proof of this is put forward.

SC has 300 people so I suppose ED will be 3 times slower now?

Conversely, you have yet to provide proof of your assertations about staffing levels.

As you assert that staff has been reduced, back up the assertion with official figures. Put up or shup up, as the saying goes.

So people keep saying yet no proof of this is put forward.

SC has 300 people so I suppose ED will be 3 times slower now?

LOL.

Getting slower to release a game than Star Citizen would be an accomplishment

 

[Jex =TE=]

Wrong. It's the same people that have always been complaining. Seriously, check their post history. Most of them are complaining since the removal of offline mode. They don't complain because they are upset about something but just because they hate the game and want it to fail really hard. It's their personal crusade. Because they said "the game is dead if you don't listen to me" so many times, they blame the game for being wrong all the time. It's all pretty ridiculous.

What completel and utter nonsense, once again by you, making up stuff. What's been cvonsistent is you complaining about people complaining and making up the reasons for it and posting up stuff you made up that you have no evidence for.

On the other hand, the people "complaining" here have all been consistently asking for more meat to the barebones game. FDev have acknowledged that which makes the "complainers" 100% correct because FDev have seen they need to do what we've been asking for which is why we are now getting "beyond".

This means that those of us who were pointing this out have been vindicated as FDev are now on our side, not yours, the side that says everything is fine. Well FDev disagree which is why they're putting all their resources into adding the content we've been asking for since day one.