Lol this is funny given until recently literally the only aspect of the game that had a significant amount of time/effort/resources poured into it on the part of the developers was pew-pew...
Beyond update almost complete. Its time to talk about COMBAT!!
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balance isn't fine, NPC's are rubbish easy, making harder ones would make the game unnecessary harder for people enjoying specific ships and newer players on the transitin to more suitable ships.
And thats why open is so underpopulated because it is forced pvp everywhere. Thats the biggest issue with PvP at all. Thats only fine for those who seek PvP, but not for those who want to multiplay without PvP.
Yes, and they even slipped yet another medium-sized warship into the "exploration" update...
You can already set your own challenge, or not.
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Explorers after 4 years got a little bit. All while Combat got update after update after update after update after [...]
There's a load of things that could use proper balancing, updates or refinement. Combat isn't amongst it other than maybe fixing the balancing mess RNGineers have created.
Except that isn't true nor a fixed rule except maybe for those 'Youtuber show fights'.
I've repeatedly seen that Meta fail so miserably, the PvP guy on the other side would have been better off using an all Gimbal Pulse Laser build.
All while my totally non-Meta builds won the fights with almost frightening ease. To me personally, that PvP Meta never was one, never went for it.
Due to their fundamental effectiveness (Engineer tweaks aside), it's a perfectly logical choice and not limited to PvE at all.
Fixed Weapons have their place, but that comes with personal preference, the specific Ship and the specific Ship build, plus (typically but not always) a specific class of Targets.
If that niche is left and the Target unexpectedly small & agile, Fixed Weapons can easily lose >75% of their potential effectiveness and can end up being a very poor choice. "Wrong tool for the job" basically.
But anyway, looking frequently of SubSystems of other Players, I'm basically seeing no Meta. At all. I rather see a broad mix of pretty much everything.
(sole exception : Criminal PvP Ships, those seem to always carry the same ineffective and boring loadouts for some reason; I credit that to their preferred Target types : slow, large and poorly Shielded = potentially very quick kills)
The old "uber NPCs" were off to a good start, they were simply
a) bugged and
b) appeared with way too high frequency
But other than that, bugfixed Versions of these potent NPCs is what we could occasionally need. System Authority for example, System Defense Forces in Conflict Zones apparently will see something like that in V3.3.
IMHO not true. There's the time when to bring the big gear - but there's also the time where a small Ship is the far better tool for the job.
That's why we don't see everyone flying "the big 3". They're definitely worth having but aren't the ultimate answer to all problems.
They're a choice and make perfect sense in the right situations. Properly used and incorporated into the Combat plans, they can be formidable Weapons.
However, simply not everyone is doing so due to their restrictions. If anything, they're not mandatory.
Too much work fixing the mess RNGineers have started off. Frankly, I wouldn't even start trying.
It'd be easier to partially retire the classic Combat and all its Equipment and have it be superseded (or augmented) by an entirely new Combat mechanic that builds on fresh principles & equipment designed and balanced from scratch.
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3. Have you flown an engineered Viper mkiii, I guess not.
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Yo, I don't think we should talk about this
Come on, why not?
People might misunderstand what we're tryin' to say, you know?
No, but that's a part of life)
Come on
Let's talk about combat, baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things
And the bad things that may be
Let's talk about combat
Let's talk about combat
Let's talk about combat
Let's talk about combat
Let's talk about combat for now to the people at home or in the crowd
It keeps coming up anyhow
Don't decoy, avoid, or make void the topic
Cuz that ain't gonna stop it
Now we talk about combat on the radio and video shows
Many will know anything goes
Let's tell it how it is, and how it could be
How it was, and of course, how it should be
Those who think it's dirty have a choice
Pick up the needle, press pause, or turn the radio off
Will that stop us, Pep? I doubt it
All right then, come on, Spin!
Let's talk about combat, baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things
And the bad things that may be
Let's talk about combat
Yo, I don't think we should talk about this
Come on, why not?
People might misunderstand what we're tryin' to say, you know?
No, but that's a part of life)
Come on
Let's talk about combat, baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things
And the bad things that may be
Let's talk about combat
Let's talk about combat
Let's talk about combat
Let's talk about combat
Let's talk about combat for now to the people at home or in the crowd
It keeps coming up anyhow
Don't decoy, avoid, or make void the topic
Cuz that ain't gonna stop it
Now we talk about combat on the radio and video shows
Many will know anything goes
Let's tell it how it is, and how it could be
How it was, and of course, how it should be
Those who think it's dirty have a choice
Pick up the needle, press pause, or turn the radio off
Will that stop us, Pep? I doubt it
All right then, come on, Spin!
Let's talk about combat, baby
Let's talk about you and me
Let's talk about all the good things
And the bad things that may be
Let's talk about combat
I would like some buff for turrets; less DPS penalty and better FAW behaviour. Some weapons don't FAW at all and this should be fixed. A "careful FAW" which won't target clean ships would be good.
I'd like to cruise up to another big ship and start exchanging broadsides, it would be much more space-like than tail chasing or jousting.
Skill would lie in building, engineering and energy management rather than joystick twitching.
I see the problem about AFK farming. I'd suggest solving that by making FAW require a fire button press regularly.
Having said all that, I don't agree with the title premise that combat needs attention. There are more modules for hardpoints than for any other slot type, and far too many new ships turn out to be for combat. Attention to other activities is long overdue and only just getting going.
I'd like to cruise up to another big ship and start exchanging broadsides, it would be much more space-like than tail chasing or jousting.
Skill would lie in building, engineering and energy management rather than joystick twitching.
I see the problem about AFK farming. I'd suggest solving that by making FAW require a fire button press regularly.
Having said all that, I don't agree with the title premise that combat needs attention. There are more modules for hardpoints than for any other slot type, and far too many new ships turn out to be for combat. Attention to other activities is long overdue and only just getting going.
Seriously?!? The only part of this game that's had any love for the last 3 years is combat...
- Ship launched fighters
- More and more combat missions
- Multi-crew
- Thargoids
- Guardian Fighters
- Combat oriented ships
- Wings
- Squadrons
Need I continue? Do you really think they need to add more combat oriented stuff? This is not a combat game (or wasn't intended to be).
Yeh, sorry OP, a lot of what you wrote in the OP is subjective and your personal point of view, I don't agree with much of it. We are already ridiculously overpowered. I can solo a wing assassination in the Challenger, not because I'm great (I'm pretty good though 
), because its effective health is just ENORMOUS!
You also haven't mentioned what combat REALLY needs. Removal from the game of all grandfathered engineering modules.
Come on FD, tell them they've had their fun, and take away their unfair and selfish toys. I don't think you'll have as many complaints as you think. Honestly.
), because its effective health is just ENORMOUS!You also haven't mentioned what combat REALLY needs. Removal from the game of all grandfathered engineering modules.
Come on FD, tell them they've had their fun, and take away their unfair and selfish toys. I don't think you'll have as many complaints as you think. Honestly.
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Eh... try 5+... yep, it's a troll thread, alright.
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I would support new combat scenarios, more mission types related to combat, station-based combat (siege, blockade runs, sabotage, etc.), but not a whole bunch of effort on balancing weapons, new weapon types.
FDEV is commited to maintaining legacy mods, therefore committed to maintaining imbalance.
FDEV is committed to p2p, so there will always be softness in the effectiveness of pvp experiences.
FDEV is committed to not have PVP/WVW spaces, with rankings and rewards so pvp will always be a sideshow.
FDEV is commited to maintaining legacy mods, therefore committed to maintaining imbalance.
FDEV is committed to p2p, so there will always be softness in the effectiveness of pvp experiences.
FDEV is committed to not have PVP/WVW spaces, with rankings and rewards so pvp will always be a sideshow.