A very accurate explanation of what is wrong with our culture.
Big Elite Streamers Giving Up On Streaming Elite?
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Same argument applies. I'm not speaking as to how to make my opinion hold more weight than OA. Not sure I want that responsibility. I'm merely saying that content creator's opinions have more weight, and should be treated carefully. How they rose to their positions might be a bit irrelevant.As I said, you need patience and tenacity too. OA didn't start with the subscribers he's got, and neither did Yamiks.
They only have more "weight" because you think they do. Really, they're just reaching a potentially wider audience. And they have an absolute right (nay, obligation I'd say) to say exactly what they think... be that good or bad.
You know, it is possible to watch an OA or Yamiks video and think "OK cool - don't agree with any of that - but fun video."
Edit: I'm saying their opinions have more weight because they are literally posting to hundreds of thousands of people. My individual perspective of them is meaningless. One might discount an ad seen during a superbowl, but that doesn't mean that that advertisement doesn't have weight/ramifications. There's a reason why people advertise.
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In my opinion, there is something to be considered.
Many streamers have never seriously talked about BGS mechanics, PowerPlay, Piracy, Missions etc etc.
They have mentioned some problems but never brought a direct example.
We long time players have had a useless forum until a few days ago.
We would post advice, point out problems and then absolute nothing.
This is demonstrated when in the update 5 thread I mentioned and linked the report of all the bugs reported on megaship looting and settlement. CM's response was like I was full of and that certain things should be reported if they have been present for more than 3 years of bugs. But in the post above I had pointed to my old post and the whole report of bugs still active, duplicate and expired bugs.
So we've arrived at a collection of things that don't work properly, ridiculous gameplay and a lack of real innovation and connection to everything else.
And then throw in the knowledge that we never had a real roadmap.
I have given myself an answer, and it is that for too long on this forum and even today too many people insist on saying that everything is fine.
The same goes for many streamers who lived off screenshots and old footage.
The hilarious thing is that some streamers who until the other day were accommodating are now not.
This didn't do the game justice and now we are all paying the consequences.
Some will say I hate the game, but I've actually been playing for 4-5 years and I'm still playing BGS every night with my squadron still hoping for its huge potential.
Many streamers have never seriously talked about BGS mechanics, PowerPlay, Piracy, Missions etc etc.
They have mentioned some problems but never brought a direct example.
We long time players have had a useless forum until a few days ago.
We would post advice, point out problems and then absolute nothing.
This is demonstrated when in the update 5 thread I mentioned and linked the report of all the bugs reported on megaship looting and settlement. CM's response was like I was full of and that certain things should be reported if they have been present for more than 3 years of bugs. But in the post above I had pointed to my old post and the whole report of bugs still active, duplicate and expired bugs.
So we've arrived at a collection of things that don't work properly, ridiculous gameplay and a lack of real innovation and connection to everything else.
And then throw in the knowledge that we never had a real roadmap.
I have given myself an answer, and it is that for too long on this forum and even today too many people insist on saying that everything is fine.
The same goes for many streamers who lived off screenshots and old footage.
The hilarious thing is that some streamers who until the other day were accommodating are now not.
This didn't do the game justice and now we are all paying the consequences.
Some will say I hate the game, but I've actually been playing for 4-5 years and I'm still playing BGS every night with my squadron still hoping for its huge potential.
Well, as I said, you can watch it and disagree... as many (including me) often do. You know people aren't all mindless sheep who get "influenced" by 15 minute Youtube videos, right?
No, busy posting on here.In all seriousness, did you bother spending a couple of minutes of your life watching the tat I posted?
It is just play, no more or less, as I was making my own fun as well as doing some missions. (watching other folk play without a running commentary is boring, so a few munutes feels much longer!)
The FPS drops to 20 when I tab out (Nvidia Control Panel setting) but otherwise what you see is what I get. I don't think it would change your mind, but it is totally unbiased
If you're having fun, that's great
. For me, I don't see 'fun' incoming on any FDEV roadmap, hence me playing other games. I don't think I'm alone and I suspect that's one of many reasons why content creators are doing content for other games.sigh No. I'm not saying people are mindless sheep. I'm just saying that Content Creators opinions have more weight than others. People will make their own decisions, this is true, they just might be impacted by what content creators say.Well, as I said, you can watch it and disagree... as many (including me) often do. You know people aren't all mindless sheep who get "influenced" by 15 minute Youtube videos, right?
Here's an interesting observation:
I have around 30 friends in-game on my first account. From those, since Odyssey launched, an average of 10 each night play. From those 8 or 9 will be in Odyssey. 2 friends on regularly I know do not have Odyssey, so are seen as in Horizons,
There are around 15 of those friends who have not logged into the game for several months, but may return, so my 'active' sample hovers around 15.
It isn't a big sample, but surprises me more that the Horizons only players are playing less or not at all since before the launch of Odyssey.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. So many people have gone out and bought a camera and a snazzy microphone and started a Youtube channel. There are dozens upon dozens of ones purely focused on Elite Dangerous. There are only two I pay attention to, and that's OA and D2EA.
Both have slowly accumulated hundreds of thousands of followers (I think Astro is just short of 100k actually). They are 100% entitled to their opinion, and I believe what negativity they've shown has been measured and justified. (Although Astro seems to have had a turn for the worse the last couple of days, really getting negative.) I don't fault them for their opinions, nor do I think that they have any sort of "responsibility" to deliver any sort of message.
Both have slowly accumulated hundreds of thousands of followers (I think Astro is just short of 100k actually). They are 100% entitled to their opinion, and I believe what negativity they've shown has been measured and justified. (Although Astro seems to have had a turn for the worse the last couple of days, really getting negative.) I don't fault them for their opinions, nor do I think that they have any sort of "responsibility" to deliver any sort of message.
There's that cognitive dissonance again.
Either you believe people are able to discern their own opinions, or you believe that the "weighty" opinion of Obsidian Ant (and others) is responsible for why people think Odyssey is a pile of poo.
I'm putting my money on the former.
Or, alternatively, truth has weight. No matter the number of views.
It's not a binary thing. People can have an opinion that heavily relies upon a content creator's viewpoint, but possibly some other things as well.There's that cognitive dissonance again.
Either you believe people are able to discern their own opinions, or you believe that the "weighty" opinion of Obsidian Ant (and others) is responsible for why people think Odyssey is a pile of poo.
I'm putting my money on the former.
Yes. If a content creator says "Planetary tech is broken" for reasons "X", "Y", "Z", this is a lot more constructive.
And the truth is that a significant proportion of the existing playerbase and newcomers have experienced, and will experience, major performance problems,bugs and weirdness with Odyssey.
Nothing wrong with anyone saying so on Youtube. That's why the CEO apologised.
I really don't see any problem with them expressing dissatisfaction with the game and the company. It's earned.
"Other things as well" - such as playing the game, maybe?
Nah, too obvious. If so, then maybe they have an opinion that is shared by the content creator, because in this instance - they're speaking the truth.
To be clear: Negativity isn't killing Elite. Frontier Developments is killing Elite.
Which has nothing to do with your earlier statement that the weight of an opinion should be based not on truth but on whether one is a youtube personality.
"Other things as well" - such as playing the game, maybe?
If so, then maybe they have an opinion that is shared by the content creator, because in this instance - they're speaking the truth.
To be clear: Negativity isn't killing Elite. Frontier Developments is killing Elite.
I disagree. I feel like negativity is killing Elite.
Well, that is a problem that Frontier could easily fix by simply a) coming clean about the whole release fiasco and b) publishing a proper roadmap that gives the "community" something to at least try and believe in.
Because as of right now, there's nothing. And absolutely no sign of that changing.
Negativity didn't release Alpha as a completed product.
I made no such statement - you might need to re-read. I never said anything at all about what should be the case, and I never even mentioned truth. The conversation was about opinions...
Negativity is merely the symptom. Before Odyssey release, Yamicks was laughed at and basically ostracized because he was "always negative". Despite its flaws (no game's perfect), the majority of people was positive.
It reversed with Odyssey release. Because there are so many issues on so many level, people are frustrated, and they are vocal about it.
Make no mistake, the ones who are "killing elite" as you say, are Fdev themselves.
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