Big Elite Streamers Giving Up On Streaming Elite?

[ubermick]

Gosh! And one of the 'other' games receiving so much comparison has...
... about the same LOD distance...(and this is on their own Ultra setting)

But, but... that doesn't fit the salty narrative. Remember:

• Hello Games may have gotten off to a rough start, but that was mainly down to them only being two coders and a football with a face painted on it they called Brian - those cheeky scamps turned it around and are now the gold standard with a game 100% free of issues. (through gritted teeth I. SAID. FREE. OF. ISSUES.)
• RSI isn't NEARLY as bad as people make out, at least they're 100% up front and honest about the state of the game, and at least have never missed a deadline or broken a promise to their community. In fact, now that I've played it a bit, I can see its FAR better than any other game out there and you should try it - here's my referral code that gets you ALMOST in on the ground floor - I make nothing on this... well, next to nothing, a little bit... don't worry about it, I don't have a vested interest in getting you to sign up. Speaking of, if we can recruit 100 more sucke... I mean, players, then we'll have enough money to keep developing next month!
• Frontier are evil money-grubbing conmen, staffed by developers who either don't care or are disgruntled at the way David Braben stalks the halls wearing an Immortan Joe mask whacking each of them with sticks, are clearly using the wrong game engine (trust me on that, I'm a game developer myself), and constantly peddle lies in pursuit of pure profit. The game is doomed, has been since launch, have lied about every single thing that's either in the game or not in the game, they haven't read ONE open letter on the forums, and frankly the only reason I still talk about it is that I hate it SO much, I need to make sure everyone is aware of all of this. In fact now I have data to back all this up, and it conclusively proves that Brian the football from Hello is the only person playing it, and that's purely out of charity since he's REALLY a lovely guy. Not like those fellas that work at Frontier, though...

 

[Ralph Vargr]

I can't wait for some posters to beat up on chess and solitaire. Just because they are alternatives to walking outside.

 

[Erei]

I can't wait for some posters to beat up on chess and solitaire. Just because they are alternatives to walking outside.

Outside planetary tech is all misleading.
You are sold this :

And all you get is this :

 

[Fizzatron]

For the last 5 years I have been 100% playing Elite in VR and not interested in any other game, I have racked up over 3000 hours.
After Fdev came out and said no plans for adding full VR to Odyssey it made me start to lose interest in Elite Dangerous, I am now watching Ant’s and D2E coverage of other games with much interest.
I can live with bugs and poor performance because that can be fixed but telling me you aren’t going to support my style of gameplay that was advertised as a game feature I can’t forgive.

Out of all, I think VR users have the right to feel the most aggrieved as you perfectly explain. I do hope that Frontier revisit their VR plans. I have mentioned before that it may seem like a lot of work for a niche segment, but that segment is/was likely to be the most engaged with the game. Elite is a thing of beauty in VR, and I'm not even up to the spec that some say you must be, it serves as a good image for the game which I think is a mistake on FDevs part to disregard.

Having said that, I do think that the current compromise shouldn't be disregarded either by VR players. It's not perfect but if you discount disembarking from your ship, Odyssey will give you a better than Horizons experience of the game (with the caveat of the current issues being resolved). Stick with it and keep pushing for full VR, demand is where markets head towards and gutting the potential demand for VR gives FDev more of an excuse to not bother than the other way around, if that's what it's about.

 

[StanleyDunkan]

Gosh! And one of the 'other' games receiving so much comparison has...
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... about the same LOD distance...(and this is on their own Ultra setting)

Yet EDO has 'issues' admitted by Frontier... NMS doesn't...

(not that I imagine EDO will improve over much, not if it has to run on the Horizons potato requirement, and last gen consoles!)

NMS has nothing to do with Patch 5 problems. Texture not rendering at such short distance that's something new. Just like stuttering it needs to be looked at.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Gosh! And one of the 'other' games receiving so much comparison has...
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... about the same LOD distance...(and this is on their own Ultra setting)

Yet EDO has 'issues' admitted by Frontier... NMS doesn't...

(not that I imagine EDO will improve over much, not if it has to run on the Horizons potato requirement, and last gen consoles!)

IDK, one looks much nicer than the other.

 

[Rat Catcher]

NMS has nothing to do with Patch 5 problems. Texture not rendering at such short distance that's something new. Just like stuttering it needs to be looked at.

I'll go take a proper look tonight, it will be interesting to see if these changes are noticably worse than previous patches.

 

[Rat Catcher]

IDK, one looks much nicer than the other.

Which might that be?

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Which might that be?

The less gray one?

 

[ubermick]

The less gray one?

The irony, of course, being that if Frontier changed the planetary scenery to have neon coloured skies and flourescent landscapes, people would lose their minds over it not being realistic enough. So they'd change it back, and then the same people would lose their minds about it being dull and lifeless...

 

[sandkid]

I'm a huge fan of NMS, but comparing their art style really is an exercise in apples to oranges. It's fair to compare capabilties, gameplay, and overall development direction...art? No. Because, let's face it, Star Citizen is the king of art in this genre, bar none. FPS lag, bugs, and glitches galore, but when it works?
It puts Hollywood CGI to shame.

Back on topic...I think it's good so many streamers are now visiting Star Citizen. I'm rather jealous (Console Player) as I'd love to hop into it. I've kept an eye on it since Day 1 when I still had a PC, but never took the dive. I'd kill to try something new because, unfortunately, Elite hasn't felt 'new' in awhile. All games lose their luster, but Elite's grind is souring like milk left out in the sun.

That, and as more players try other titles (direct competition or not) it sends a clear message to FDev: your game isn't (as) fun. It sounds alarms the forums have been ringing for years and maybe, just maybe, might cause the development to get back on track. I don't think anybody honestly thinks EDO shouldn't have happened, but I do think many of us knew that either:

A) EDO should have been a far longer alpha and a far longer beta, lasting well into 2022, and marketed as such.

B) EDO (space legs) should have been delayed and focus placed on patching up and iterating on the existing base game and Horizons, where many features have been launched and forgotten, but still have plenty of promise if expanded (much as mining was expanded)

I'm in the B-Camp, personally, but here we are. EDO is the sole focus of FDev, for better or worse, because it launched horribly and they must fix it before any of that other stuff can matter. Should it have mattered before? Absolutely. But, when the house is literally on fire, you don't then decide to call the electrician and repair the faulty wiring.

You put out the fire. And it is a big fire, no doubt about that.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Drew Wagar just wrote the obit for the Oddy Launch.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

The irony, of course, being that if Frontier changed the planetary scenery to have neon coloured skies and flourescent landscapes, people would lose their minds over it not being realistic enough. So they'd change it back, and then the same people would lose their minds about it being dull and lifeless...

Grass isn't neon coloured nor florescent, otherwise, I must be living in a vapowave album cover (which would be awesome).

 

[Rat Catcher]

The less gray one?

Whichever that may be

 

[Rat Catcher]

Drew Wagar just wrote the obit for the Oddy Launch.

No surprise there...

 

[Rat Catcher]

Texture not rendering at such short distance that's something new.

I had a look earlier - but will get to a planet with more daylight, all of the funs stuff I'm doing appears to be on the wrong side of the terminator, it'll change, I'm sure.
But, it didn't appear to be much, if at all, different to previously.
I'll put this here as patch 4, and come back with a patch 5 later.

It is a pretty obvious, short, distance to LoD fall-off.

 

[ubermick]

I'm a huge fan of NMS, but comparing their art style really is an exercise in apples to oranges. It's fair to compare capabilties, gameplay, and overall development direction...art? No. Because, let's face it, Star Citizen is the king of art in this genre, bar none. FPS lag, bugs, and glitches galore, but when it works?
It puts Hollywood CGI to shame.

Back on topic...I think it's good so many streamers are now visiting Star Citizen. I'm rather jealous (Console Player) as I'd love to hop into it. I've kept an eye on it since Day 1 when I still had a PC, but never took the dive. I'd kill to try something new because, unfortunately, Elite hasn't felt 'new' in awhile. All games lose their luster, but Elite's grind is souring like milk left out in the sun.

That, and as more players try other titles (direct competition or not) it sends a clear message to FDev: your game isn't (as) fun. It sounds alarms the forums have been ringing for years and maybe, just maybe, might cause the development to get back on track. I don't think anybody honestly thinks EDO shouldn't have happened, but I do think many of us knew that either:

A) EDO should have been a far longer alpha and a far longer beta, lasting well into 2022, and marketed as such.

B) EDO (space legs) should have been delayed and focus placed on patching up and iterating on the existing base game and Horizons, where many features have been launched and forgotten, but still have plenty of promise if expanded (much as mining was expanded)

I'm in the B-Camp, personally, but here we are. EDO is the sole focus of FDev, for better or worse, because it launched horribly and they must fix it before any of that other stuff can matter. Should it have mattered before? Absolutely. But, when the house is literally on fire, you don't then decide to call the electrician and repair the faulty wiring.

You put out the fire. And it is a big fire, no doubt about that.

The problem is that to this day I can't see Star Citizen as anything other than a pyramid scheme. The game is purchased (add in more for Squadron 42). But then there's the ships and credits. Which yes, can be earned in-game over time, but sporadically when there's an update, everyone is reverted back to the start, apart from those who've forked over extra real money. Subscriptions are peddled where the benefits are credits that are specifically for RENTING ships. And of course every stream and "creator" pushes their referral codes which (we're led to believe) are doing people a favour (you start with 5,000 extra credits) and gain them persistent (I believe) store credit in return.

And of course, the no small fact that its an alpha, riddled with those bugs and issues you mention, with release dates constantly kicked down the road, and industry reports that former developers for RSI basically confirming its status as vapourware.

I understand plenty of folks like it, and enjoy it. I just get confused that people who deride Frontier for being dishonest, taking money from people and delivering an unstable product, throwing around accusations of greed and corruption seemingly aren't overly pushed by the actions of RSI over the past decade.

$350 MILLION raised in sales, backers, donations, and funding and still in alpha and demanding more and more and more. Beggars belief.

Anyways, this is an ED forum, so back on topic I go...

 

[Melvich]

Drew's obituary is actually very, very good. Highly recommend a watch and covers exactly why it's basically Elite:Exodus.

Source: https://youtu.be/bHe3CYN4520

 

[Hydrino]

The problem is that to this day I can't see Star Citizen as anything other than a pyramid scheme. The game is purchased (add in more for Squadron 42). But then there's the ships and credits. Which yes, can be earned in-game over time, but sporadically when there's an update, everyone is reverted back to the start, apart from those who've forked over extra real money. Subscriptions are peddled where the benefits are credits that are specifically for RENTING ships. And of course every stream and "creator" pushes their referral codes which (we're led to believe) are doing people a favour (you start with 5,000 extra credits) and gain them persistent (I believe) store credit in return.

And of course, the no small fact that its an alpha, riddled with those bugs and issues you mention, with release dates constantly kicked down the road, and industry reports that former developers for RSI basically confirming its status as vapourware.

I understand plenty of folks like it, and enjoy it. I just get confused that people who deride Frontier for being dishonest, taking money from people and delivering an unstable product, throwing around accusations of greed and corruption seemingly aren't overly pushed by the actions of RSI over the past decade.

$350 MILLION raised in sales, backers, donations, and funding and still in alpha and demanding more and more and more. Beggars belief.

Anyways, this is an ED forum, so back on topic I go...

I agree with this post.
Squadron 404, missing since 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, what was it 2018 that CR finally said no one can hold him to any date because he always thinks he can do it faster than it takes, he absolved himself of all deliverables. And so many shell companies, taking cash out in big payments for the execs after "the pledge" that all backer funds would go only to development. Hiding his marriage to "VP of marketing" weirdness. Having the FPS module developed outside and then realizing the scale didn't match the work CIG was doing so it broke everything when they put it on CIG build... It's been an amazing dumpster fire. The travel takes longer than Elite and the combat is boring and there's one system at 1/6 scale. But the ships are pretty, yes.

 

[Hydrino]

And the faction cares because they lose territory and see work ruined by other groups. But in the end both the faction and Power are fighting over self imposed imaginary lines- something in a sandbox that would happen.

And it means territory means something if you pledge to The King. And 'cooked human' to some is 'tasty free tender meat' to a hungry customer base.

I must admit Powerplays scope was pared back, probably when FD realised it required ongoing commitment and was not a closed system like the BGS.


I'm with you, I want everything to have an impact. But I also remember the squealing that PP NPCs were taking up to much room and FD scaled them back- ever since FDs paradigm is to separate and contain.


To some groups being under a powers umbrella is like poison, while to others they don't care. A lot of people like ALD and Hudson because they have passive bounty bonuses, or LYR because he makes stuff cheaper.


Hence why it needs a new reason to 'be'- they only way currently beyond a rewrite is to make the Galactic standing mean something.

PP should just be an extension of the BGS and the BGS should reflect PP as well.
That was the first and primary error in PP implementation; making it a meta game instead of just part of the game.