Blocking Overhaul and C-logging penalties

[Bigmaec]

Blocking only works on your own instancing not the person you've blocked, so the messes with everyone's instancing issue is just a myth.

Personally I block all the griefers as the games better without them.

How do you define "griefer"?
Am I on your blocklist?

 

[Stigbob]

How do you define "griefer"?
Am I on your blocklist?

Station rammers/letterbox lurkers/exploiters only. If you've done that or been winged with someone doing it on PC at a busy station then I've probably got you blocked.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

Racism and sexual harrassment should be dealt with accordingly but can easily be solved by blocking comms.

If you can't handle people following you between systems

You’ve missed the point, if a woman has been sexually harassed, just blocking the creeps’ comms isn’t enough. Not if the creep is following them about in the game. That was the point I was making.

 

[Northpin]

Racism and sexual harrassment should be dealt with accordingly but can easily be solved by blocking comms.

yes, in a week or two.

And in the mean time you have to play with a dude that has a really irritating ship name in your instance, because block is only blocking comms.
Or you have to live for an entire evening with a dude in a Beluga blockng the mailslot at Jamesons because block is there only to block comms.
How many hours that dude kept his Beluga in the mailslot? anyone remembers?


edit doh, ninjad again, by X this time, and with a better example

 

[Bigmaec]

Station rammers/letterbox lurkers/exploiters only. If you've done that or been winged with someone doing it on PC at a busy station then I've probably got you blocked.

Nope. That list I can live with.
I even can live with Duck's kill me once and I'm gone for you policy.
That's all ok.
But preemptive blocking is just stupid, and way too easy.
And I still say blocking is crap for instancing.
Not that my opinion matters for anyone but me though

 

[Goof141]

You’ve missed the point, if a woman has been sexually harassed, just blocking the creeps’ comms isn’t enough. Not if the creep is following them about in the game. That was the point I was making.

And the point I made that you clearly either ignored or missed is that there are already BIG ways to deal with it, such as solo or PG which is solo but with friends. Otherwise they need to grow thicker skin and deal with it.

 

[Kaocraft]

The purpose of this thread is to be an open discussion on the topics of the block feature and combat-logging.

Something needs to be done about blocking as a feature and combat-loggers.

The fact that blocking a player effectively removes the possibility that you will ever encounter them in open play is ridiculous. This feature can be abused by both players who don't want to encounter pirates/gankers as well as pirates/gankers who don't want to encounter anti-gankers.

The feature as a whole breaks PvP and should be changed to block communications between players(this is the way blocking works in virtually any MMO out there).




On the topic of combat-loggers: While it's common knowledge that this is frowned upon in the PvP community, there is virtually no penalty for players who combat-log by either returning to the main menu or by task-killing other than being ridiculed by the community.

While the 15-second wait period to log to menu while in combat is appreciated, it's not enough to solve the problem. In my opinion, combat-logging should trigger automatic self-destruct of the player's ship and the player should be greeted with the ship rebuy screen.

There's no need for a discussion.
All of these problems have been discussed extensively, and they are solvable if Frontier wants to solve them. They just don't want to solve them; either because they prefer things to be the way they are, because the solutions require other types of compromises they aren't willing to make, or because they don't want to do the work required to solve them.
What you want is a petition.

 

[Bigmaec]

There's no need for a discussion. All of these problems have been discussed extensively, and they are solvable if Frontier wants to solve them. They just don't want to solve them; either because they prefer things to be the way they are, because the solutions require other types of compromises they aren't willing to make, or because they don't want to do the work required to solve them. What you want is a petition.

This. Also no open letter so bust.

But I still can't stop posting here

 

[Stigbob]

Racism and sexual harrassment should be dealt with accordingly but can easily be solved by blocking comms.

People like that are shunned IRL, its not surprising people want and get given the tools to ditch them completely in lots of online games. A comms block isn't enough for dealing with the properly toxic.

 

[Northpin]

PvP is part of the game for those who want it and solo/PG for those who don't.

Well, this is the mistake. Open allows PVP, but it does not mean PVP.
Open means Social Play and Social may mean a good fight or a good coop session. With Randoms.

 

[[PS4] Lorenzo Waringos]

And the point I made that you clearly either ignored or missed is that there are already BIG ways to deal with it, such as solo or PG which is solo but with friends. Otherwise they need to grow thicker skin and deal with it.

Grow a thick skin and deal with sexual harassment?
I’m out. Not talking to a splasher like you.

 

[Bigmaec]

Well, this is the mistake. Open allows PVP, but it does not mean PVP.
Open means Social Play and Social may mean a good fight or a good coop session. With Randoms.

Which you can still have, and unwanted PvP can even add spice too.
You should try it

 

[Stigbob]

Which you can still have, and unwanted PvP can even add spice too.
You should try it

One of the first things I learned in ED was how to run away, as soon as you've done that PVP becomes entirely optional no matter the mode. Escaping under heavy fire is fun.

 

[Northpin]

Which you can still have, and unwanted PvP can even add spice too.
You should try it

Yea, but this is not about that, isn't it?
It's about the narrow vision of the OP: Social equals PVP. Non-PvP-ers are sent to Solo/PG
Open, as a mode, is more broader and more enriching as a gaming experience than his vision.

 

[Goof141]

Grow a thick skin and deal with sexual harassment?
I’m out. Not talking to a splasher like you.

Wow it's almost like I didn't mention blocking comms.

It's virtually impossible sexually harass someone if you've already blocked comms. If their ship name is inappropriate then report it. Outside of that you have another player either just hanging around in the same instance or actively attacking you.

"Oh no, that ship's name is extremely inappropriate, how will I ever go on living knowing that there are people out there who are this insensitive and perverted?"

Simple, report it and get over it.

That's the way of the internet. There's unfortunately people like that out there and there's nothing you can do about it.

If something as insignificant as a ship name or ship ID is enough to trigger a complete mental breakdown then you need to be playing something else.

 

[Bigmaec]

Yea, but this is not about that, isn't it?
It's about the narrow vision of the OP: Social equals PVP. Non-PvP-ers are sent to Solo/PG
Open, as a mode, is more broader and more enriching as a gaming experience than his vision.

Social always can lead to PvP, that's something I would sign.
In reality, apart from ShinDez, Wyrd, Deciat, Borann (and Carcosa nowadays ) you never run into PvP anyways (why no CG FD??)
and IF you manage to run into PvP at the backside of nowhere, you deserve it

 

[Stigbob]

Wow it's almost like I didn't mention blocking comms.

It's virtually impossible sexually harass someone if you've already blocked comms. If their ship name is inappropriate then report it. Outside of that you have another player either just hanging around in the same instance or actively attacking you.

"Oh no, that ship's name is extremely inappropriate, how will I ever go on living knowing that there are people out there who are this insensitive and perverted?"

Simple, report it and get over it.

Its not about an individual not having to read any more sexist or racist messages, its about them being able to ditch that player from their game completely as they would in any other social setting.

 

[Northpin]

Wow it's almost like I didn't mention blocking comms.

It's virtually impossible sexually harass someone if you've already blocked comms. If their ship name is inappropriate then report it. Outside of that you have another player either just hanging around in the same instance or actively attacking you.

"Oh no, that ship's name is extremely inappropriate, how will I ever go on living knowing that there are people out there who are this insensitive and perverted?"
Simple, report it and get over it.

You dont get it or you dont want to get it. Not sure what is what

A report will take days / weeks to be processed.
Block solves the issue on the spot.

Also, again i find it ironic that you also complain about combat logging - why?
report it and get over it
pff, such a drama queen

 

[Arguendo]

Well, since this was posted in my neck of the woods a heads up seems appropriate.
1. If this turns into an Open/PG/Solo (aka Hotel California) thread, it won't last long. Participants who choose to start down that road can expect to be moderated and eventually be removed from the thread.
2. Please separate between Menu Logging and Combatlogging. I know those two means pretty much the same thing for the guy on the other side, but in terms of FDev (and hence these forums) they are very different and treated differently here as a consequence.

For the most part though, just stick to the freaking topic!
Thank you!

 

[Ant_Solo]

Sexual harassment, racism or any other form of targeted abuse should be dealt with by the report button and then by FDev but given FDev's disinterest in banning (shadow or otherwise) people who run hacks or task-kill I suspect they are not interested in doing anything about this. My guess is this is why the block feature is there, so FDev can relinquish their responsibility by telling the users just to block. This is why this is unlikely to change.

On combat logging: There is a difference between a graceful combatlog (menu log) or ungraceful combatlog (taskkill etc) for FDev, they have stated that ungraceful combatlog is against TOC but a graceful isn't. But from the players perspective both are cheating. FDev have stated the players may view a graceful combatlog as cheating.

It is a fine distinction but an important one.