Chill out man... What’s wrong with you.
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Chill out man... What’s wrong with you.
The content speaks for itself. Using their logic and an example to counter it. The argument falls apart. Because the main point as stated by me and others on this topic. Its about cosmetics. The option to choose to look different in a video game. We are not playing as that character nor are we that character. We are looking like that character. Thats the difference.
We shouldn't have to bargain for an asset or assets that a very sizable portion of people expected to be in the game.
Except Blue's skin was never expected. Wanted, hoped for, but not expected. There was never anything that lead people to believe it would or should be in the game. If you had these expectations, then they come from a fabricated source. You are not entitled to a skin of Blue, and comparing this game to other completely different games whose developers have different visions for their games is a flawed argument. Frontier is choosing not to use the skin of Blue as she is a unique and they want to maintain that. That is an artistic choice. There is nothing wrong with that choice. It'll probably be one we just have to deal with unless there was enough demand and Universal gives them the okay. Judging by how this thread is going though, and how there aren't exactly a lot of them with the same topic despite the "sizable portion of people" you claim to have expected this asset, a Blue skin is not something we're getting. Not anytime soon, at least.
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Did you actually? Did you actually expect a unique character in the Jurassic Park franchise to be a part of a game in which none of the dinosaurs are individual characters, rather they are just one among a number of dinosaur clones we can breed that have little character at all? Did you actually expect Blue to be in the game in some form despite nothing about the game pre-launch suggesting it? If you did, I would put that in my list of "things that are reaching farther than Michael Jordan did at the end of Space Jam". If you're going to make comparisons, you need to make the right ones and think about the products themselves. Just because it's a Jurassic World game, doesn't mean it's going to be the same in all aspects as other JW products. Otherwise I would push a similar argument on why we can't play as the dinosaurs, a request that often meets with backlash. Why can't we play as the dinosaurs? Because the game is a business sim. It doesn't fit in this game as it would in others. Why won't JWE feature Blue or her skin? Because none of the dinosaurs featured are characters and Frontier wants to maintain that by refraining from using unique characters/traits, whereas different products might feature dinosaur characters, in which having Blue in them in some form may be more appropriate. That's not to say having Blue can't work, but Frontier stated why they didn't want a Blue skin. The explanation is perfectly sound and fine. You can dislike the choice, which is fine too, but it ultimately is their choice.
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Your comment in regards to my post is the definition of cherry picking. You invalidate my list but avoid the point I made about Aloy's appearance being used in Monster Hunter World and in conjunction how looking like a character is not the same as being a specific character. Again these are not the same. Saying my argument is flawed on the basis of me comparing one video game to another is at best laughable. Its obvious the games I listed are different than Jurassic World Evolution. They were different from each other but comparing and contrasting elements in those games to other games such as but not limited to characterization, story structure, graphics, COSMETCIS, is within the realm of reason because your focusing on specific aspects, which I did. The specific aspect was cosmetics. How can you honestly say an argument is flawed because someone compared it to something else. If were going by your logic then we can't compare movies to each other in regards to key aspects of movies such as but not limited to directing, cinematography, pacing, actor performance. Yes you can compare movies of the same genre, but also movies from different genre only on the basis of core elements. So again going by your logic we can't compare anything if they don't share the exact same attributes.
Also there is nothing artistic about the ability to choose to look different in a game. Creating what a character looks like in a game is artistic. Giving the player the option to choose to look different in said game is game design because you have created/designed the game in such way that you have either allowed or eliminated the option for the player to choose to be able to make their character look different from it's default appearance.
The argument of Blue being "unique" just no, stop. She's no more unique than Echo, Charlie, or Delta. If the script for Jurassic World had Charlie live then she'd be "unique". And please don't rely on the lore to portray her as such. In Fallen Kingdom the video logs show her as emphatic unlike her sisters. But wait in Jurassic World she along with her sisters were about to kill the new guy in the Raptor Pen AND Owen. I guess she just wasn't in the mood to show empathy. Blue is unique because she was the raptor that just so happen to live and took part in the fight with the Indominus Rex with Rexy. Universal then plastered her all over the marketing and merchandise because people were commenting how cool she was. Any of her sisters had an equal chance to be "unique" if they were written as such in the movie and she was the raptor extra. So please stop using the lore when Fallen Kingdom contracted the whole of the franchise.
You highlighting "sizable portion of people" and basically mocking it is also funny. Its not hard to see that people on multiple platforms are clamoring for raptor movie skins(Blue included). No I don't know the exact number but enough people are speaking up that its topic. But I guess the "sizable portion of people" who want more decorations, buildings, and terrain tools, are justified in their in request. But we can only "claim" they exist and not that they actually do. But the places that they're postings; how they want more decorations, buildings, and terrain tools, the "sizable portion of people" who want raptor movie skins are posting in those very same places. If I can see people asking for more buildings in Jurassic World, I'm positive you've seen the raptor skin request too. But thats right, easier to ignore something when constructing an argument on personal bias because the evidence contradicts your argument, and the evidence; people want raptor movie skins and are saying it on the Jurassic World subreddit, Jurassic World forum, the Youtube comment section on Jurassic World Evolution videos, especially those videos concerning dinosaur skins. And these very same people can expect to see her or any other raptor skin or anything that was in a Jurassic Park/World. To not do so is silly. Thats like saying a game developer isn't gonna put Goku in a fighting game about Dragon Ball Z. Remember, using Frontier's own logic, Goku is unique, because he's the only pure blood kind hearted saiyan and we want to honor his character because of his uniqueness within the Dragon Ball franchise. THIS IS SILLY. Goku is a fan favorite like Blue, Goku has merchandise on him like Blue, Goku is all over the marketing for his franchise like Blue, but we weren't suppose to expect Goku to be in a game about Dragon Ball and its unreasonable to do so. again, THIS IS SILLY.
In short should we have her skin(NOT her character or personality) in the game? Yes, without question. Frontier is the only studio to deliberately choose to not follow the Jurassic Park franchise license when it comes to asset implementation. Every other studio before them implemented the dinosaurs how they were portrayed from the movies and we can go back to Super Nintendo, Genesis, and Sony Playstation and the dinosaurs were how they were portrayed in the movies. So no this "Frontier can do want they want its their game" is nonsense in the face of others who came before them and portrayed the dinosaurs how they were supposed to be, and you bought those games EXPECTING THEM TO LOOK LIKE THEY DID IN THE MOVIES. Its very sad to see this apologist mentality and usage of the "lore" and how people bend over backwards to make it make sense in their argument and excuse and make excuses for Frontier's actions when they don't measure up in areas they should.
So because Blue is unique there is literally not one skin from the movies in this game? Why no raptorskins from the first two movies? Why no Triceratops from JP? Nothing.
And yes, I totally expected skins from the movies, maybe just one of them per Savegame for Rexy, Blue etc. but still.
And yes, I totally expected skins from the movies, maybe just one of them per Savegame for Rexy, Blue etc. but still.
There are major flaws with the argument that Blue is a unique character, and they come from the InGen Database. Firstly, Blue does not have a database entry of her own within the Characters section, at the very most she gets a brief mention in Owen Grady's database entry (as well a couple of mentions from the Raptor Trainer in the game). Unless this is rectified in a future update, Blue technically does not qualify as being a character.
Secondly, from the Database memo “A Close Bond” (down below), Owen Grady reveals that with InGen and the Hammond Foundation needing new sources of income they will most likely take Blue away from Owen and will “try creating a lot more of her”.
Database memos such as “Listen Carefully” and “A Boken Seal” confirmed and followed up on the inclusion of the Indoraptor. “Hybrid Resurgence” and “On Schedule” confirmed and followed up on the events of The Secrets of Dr. Wu. To not follow up on “A Close Bond” by at the very least adding a Rainforest skin for Velociraptor based on Blue, Frontier risk misrepresentation by hinting at something that they've confirmed will never be in the game.
Personally, I also find it completely baffling and, dare I say, hypocritical of Frontier to say that because Blue has a unique appearance, she can’t be in the game; when the Basic and Vivid skins for Velociraptor are based on Delta and Subject V-2, with both animals having a unique and distinctive appearance.
Secondly, from the Database memo “A Close Bond” (down below), Owen Grady reveals that with InGen and the Hammond Foundation needing new sources of income they will most likely take Blue away from Owen and will “try creating a lot more of her”.
A Close Bond
Participants: Dr. Malcolm and Owen Grady
[21:33] Dr. Malcolm:
- You know I don’t get involved with corporate politics, it’s too chaotic.
[21:33] Owen Grady:
- I'm not worried about me Malcolm, I'm a survivor.
[21:35] Dr. Malcolm:
- Something I allow myself to also take some pride in.
[21:36] Owen Grady:
- It’s her.
[21:36] Dr. Malcolm:
- Claire?
[21:36] Owen Grady:
- Blue.
[21:37] Dr. Malcolm:
- Oh. Yes, of course.
[21:37] Owen Grady:
- Masrani Global had a plan, and it didn’t die with Simon.
[21:38] Dr. Malcolm:
- Man is mortal, ideas can last forever.
[21:38] Owen Grady:
- Blue's basically the apex of the apex now, and with InGen needing new sources of income, they're going to try creating a lot more of her.
- That’s my guess anyway.
[21:39] Dr. Malcolm:
- You’re worried that they'll take her away from you?
[21:39] Owen Grady:
- She doesn’t belong to me, but yes.
[21:40] Dr. Malcolm:
- Owen, you do realise that what you and Blue have, however you want to define it, is unnatural right?
- This is a relationship that shouldn’t exist.
[21:40] Owen Grady:
- So you’re siding with them?
[21:41] Dr. Malcolm:
- No, I'm on the fence.
[21:41] Owen Grady:
- Malcolm, you and I both know from personal experience that fences don’t last forever.
Participants: Dr. Malcolm and Owen Grady
[21:33] Dr. Malcolm:
- You know I don’t get involved with corporate politics, it’s too chaotic.
[21:33] Owen Grady:
- I'm not worried about me Malcolm, I'm a survivor.
[21:35] Dr. Malcolm:
- Something I allow myself to also take some pride in.
[21:36] Owen Grady:
- It’s her.
[21:36] Dr. Malcolm:
- Claire?
[21:36] Owen Grady:
- Blue.
[21:37] Dr. Malcolm:
- Oh. Yes, of course.
[21:37] Owen Grady:
- Masrani Global had a plan, and it didn’t die with Simon.
[21:38] Dr. Malcolm:
- Man is mortal, ideas can last forever.
[21:38] Owen Grady:
- Blue's basically the apex of the apex now, and with InGen needing new sources of income, they're going to try creating a lot more of her.
- That’s my guess anyway.
[21:39] Dr. Malcolm:
- You’re worried that they'll take her away from you?
[21:39] Owen Grady:
- She doesn’t belong to me, but yes.
[21:40] Dr. Malcolm:
- Owen, you do realise that what you and Blue have, however you want to define it, is unnatural right?
- This is a relationship that shouldn’t exist.
[21:40] Owen Grady:
- So you’re siding with them?
[21:41] Dr. Malcolm:
- No, I'm on the fence.
[21:41] Owen Grady:
- Malcolm, you and I both know from personal experience that fences don’t last forever.
Personally, I also find it completely baffling and, dare I say, hypocritical of Frontier to say that because Blue has a unique appearance, she can’t be in the game; when the Basic and Vivid skins for Velociraptor are based on Delta and Subject V-2, with both animals having a unique and distinctive appearance.
But surely you cant just Clone Blue and get Blue
You Clone blue and you get a blue coloured Raptor; you would need to be able to have to recreate the up-bring and surrounds as well to try to recreate the character, but even then what would Dr Malcolm remind you about ?
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Damn this is getting out of hand... Blue IS a unique character. Even a blind man can see that... No other raptor looks the same or acts the same.
And if anyone really expected Blue to be in the game, that's your own fault. NOTHING ever suggested that. I personally hope Blue never makes it to the game. The whole point of Blue being an individual and unique raptor is taking away if you can just breed her however you like.
And if anyone really expected Blue to be in the game, that's your own fault. NOTHING ever suggested that. I personally hope Blue never makes it to the game. The whole point of Blue being an individual and unique raptor is taking away if you can just breed her however you like.
Eh, I want a Blue skin. She's just another cloned raptor. If she exists, we have her genome by default. Her behavior is what makes her unique, our blue-skinned raptors simply wouldn't have that behavior. They'd just look like her.
As for "we won't do that", well, remember, that's what they said about dinosaur resizing. Tbh, everything frontier says is suspect at this point. No offense to them, but precedent, y'know?
As for "we won't do that", well, remember, that's what they said about dinosaur resizing. Tbh, everything frontier says is suspect at this point. No offense to them, but precedent, y'know?
I don't see the problem to bring Blue into the game. Like Funderbunk said, it's the behaviour that makes the animal unique.
What's the problem with a whole bunch of Blue clones? Create a background story how Wu got somewhere DNA fragments of
Blue (or the Black-Throated African Monitor Lizard) and is now able to give you the "Blue" cosmetic gene.
It's a shame, because the whole texture of Blue is pretty much good looking. And why not giving the player
the freedom to chose to have them if they really want to?
I mean, the Tyrannosaurus rex is based on the Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdon animal.
Everytime I see the T.rex in the Park, I see the T.rex from those two movies (even not the first Jurassic Park movie, because the
animatronic and CGI model looked quite different.)
According to that, T.rex should look more like the animatronics (JP/TLW) or less like the JW/FK variant.
What's the problem with a whole bunch of Blue clones? Create a background story how Wu got somewhere DNA fragments of
Blue (or the Black-Throated African Monitor Lizard) and is now able to give you the "Blue" cosmetic gene.
It's a shame, because the whole texture of Blue is pretty much good looking. And why not giving the player
the freedom to chose to have them if they really want to?
I mean, the Tyrannosaurus rex is based on the Jurassic World and Fallen Kingdon animal.
Everytime I see the T.rex in the Park, I see the T.rex from those two movies (even not the first Jurassic Park movie, because the
animatronic and CGI model looked quite different.)
According to that, T.rex should look more like the animatronics (JP/TLW) or less like the JW/FK variant.
I would love to have the JP3 Male and Female and TLW Tiger stripe like these skins are so simple to make yet frontier just makes boring skins