Bounty on CMDRS by CMDRS

[Roland Deschain]

I know similar things have been suggested before, but I think this is slightly different so stay with me (and if not, please just put a link here and we can close this thread).

So you get grieved, or (the other way around) someone clogged. (Oh and of course I mean really getting grieved, not the "A pirat killed me, because I didn't gave him my cargo" kind of way, which is just legitimate gameplay)
Of course it would be nice (and this is the part that has been asked before) if you could use a galaxy wide bounty on that player, with your own money, which you would have to pay to the CMDR that kills the player in question.

But what if you are a new player and don't have much money to but bounty on another CMDR? Nobody cares for 50.000cr.
What if there was a special platform (like here in the forums) where you can "make your case", post videos and so on. If you can convince other CMDRS that you enemy has earned a big bounty, they can add bounty from their on ingame money.
Also this platform could be used to prevent CMDRS from randomly putting bountys on others, as you need some kind of proof.
If the CMDR in question decides to only play in solo anymore because of his bount, maybe after a certain period the bounty would go online in GALNET and all NPC go for the hunt also.
Additionally there would have to be some ways for the hunted CMDR to lift his bounty, like apologizing on said platform, or paying the CMDRS that put bounties on his head money....
Also (But this is FDs work to do) there'd have to be additional rules...for example "everything is allowed in anarchy systems", etc.

This way (at least I think)
-bounty hunting would become much more than just going to HRES' and killing NPCs (and make big amounts of money)
-It would be much more dangerous to be a Griefer
-Non-Combat and new Pilots would have a way to defend against Griefers
-There would be a way against combatlogging with a gameplay mechanic behind it.

Only downside I see is the need of this platform (never good to need something outside a game to play a game), however this forum and the community is just so active, it feels to me like most CMDRS have a login already anyway.

What do you think?

 

[Valethar]

You wouldn't be able to post those videos on these forums. It would run afoul of the 'naming and shaming' rules.

 

[Conch]

what would keep my mates from taking that bounty of me, and making them rich from my wrong doings?

 

[kofeyh]

what would keep my mates from taking that bounty of me, and making them rich from my wrong doings?

Does it matter? No. It doesn't matter. It's never mattered. The fact commanders can't actually gain financial reward for hunting bounties from other players, with the reward matching the risk, is beyond spastic. The community could actually shut down a lot of the crime in Open. It doesn't, because there's no driver to, there's no reason to take on that risk.

If I am a naughty person and accrue 45mil in bounties, how long do you think the line would be, to hold me accountable for that? Because the cops? They aren't doing the job. They can't. Because AI has been neutered into obsolescence. I'm a bit tired of "but think of the credits" excuse for player bounties; if people are bad, they should be held accountable; and no in-game system will be as effective as highly motivated players.

I guess it comes down to, how important is it to hold people accountable? Based on the "but people could cheese it so lets just have endless murder continue as is, unabated" commentary, I can see why Frontier never bother. There's no point.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Ask yourself "how could this be abused?" and then multiply by about a thousand

 

[Roland Deschain]

what would keep my mates from taking that bounty of me, and making them rich from my wrong doings?

Well the idea is just an overview, of course it's not complete and FD would still have to find a way to prevent exploits.

You wouldn't be able to post those videos on these forums. It would run afoul of the 'naming and shaming' rules.

The question is, if that isn't already obsolete as there are special reddits and huge amounts of youtube videos to do exactly that. Also in this case "grieving" would become part of the gameplay (kind of) therefore I wouldn't see it as naming and shaming.
Of course it would be difficult for all involved to take it in good sportmanship, but it would be interesting..

 

[silvrav]

Problem if anything like this, as some even suggested making pvp bounties really high, is the PvP will quickly exploit it.

I would rather say instantly remove the bountuy funds from the attackers/killers funds.

 

[Conch]

Does it matter? No. It doesn't matter. It's never mattered. The fact commanders can't actually gain financial reward for hunting bounties from other players, with the reward matching the risk, is beyond spastic. The community could actually shut down a lot of the crime in Open. It doesn't, because there's no driver to.

I'm a bit tired of "but think of the credits" excuse. Because it's an excuse. And it's lead to so much failure, within the game.

to me it doesnt really matter, im alread rich and dont have a big need for more credits.

but its not something weird to ask when something propose this.
tbh, i like the idea of player on player hunting and it would improve the game allot, if done right.

Well the idea is just an overview, of course it's not complete and FD would still have to find a way to prevent exploits.

dont get me wrong, i like the idea.

but we had before that players could have massive bounties on their name, but that didnt went well..

 

[Valethar]

The question is, if that isn't already obsolete as there are special reddits and huge amounts of youtube videos to do exactly that. Also in this case "grieving" would become part of the gameplay (kind of) therefore I wouldn't see it as naming and shaming.

Ah, but on Reddit and YouTube, Frontier isn't potentially liable for any backlash with regards to slander, harassment, etc..., which is typically why most game forums don't allow that sort of thing. It's not just here, most developers forbid the practice.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Also in this case "grieving" would become part of the gameplay (kind of) therefore I wouldn't see it as naming and shaming.

Anything that attempts to justify "grieving" as gameplay, in this case random bounties placed by players on players, very probably won't happen - and attempting to persuade others that a bounty was required would still be naming and shaming.

Of course it would be difficult for all involved to take it in good sportmanship, but it would be interesting..

Difficult - yes - given that the majority of players apparently do not get involved in PvP. Interesting - for a few, maybe, probably not for the majority - I'd expect that they'd have other adjectives to describe it (and few of those permissible on the forums).

 

[kofeyh]

We have a game where people are making hundreds of millions over the course of a week. And people are arguing about giving bounty hunters a motivator to go punch some tickets of repeat offenders. Okay then. Good to talk.

See you next week when the same topic comes up, and the same people complain about credits and nothing happens and we do it all again the next week and so on and so forth.

 

[Clicker]

I like the idea...in theory...but only if it were properly moderated.

However, no developer yet has developed a way for this not be exploited that I know of.

Clicker

 

[StiTch]

So you get grieved, or (the other way around) someone clogged. (Oh and of course I mean really getting grieved, not the "A pirat killed me, because I didn't gave him my cargo" kind of way, which is just legitimate gameplay)

Correction: It's all legitimate, or FD would be taking the steps to remove them from game instead of folks proposing witch-hunting threads.

And I know witch-hunting is a favourite around here, but that's all such a resource would amount to...a combination of resource abuse and a few of the loudest whiners trying to have half the ED scene killed because someone looked at them funny.

 

[Roland Deschain]

Ah, but on Reddit and YouTube, Frontier isn't potentially liable for any backlash with regards to slander, harassment, etc..

Why shouldn't it be possible to do it without slander and harassment? Frontier rules for that would still be active.
I would see it more like some kind of court system, where certain action could be discussed and also if a bounty is even proportionate...
We are all grown up here (and if not, the young generation often behaves far better than the old one).
But then, maybe I'm too much of an optimist here

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Correction: It's all legitimate, or FD would be taking the steps to remove them from game instead of folks proposing witch-hunting threads.

And I know witch-hunting is a favourite around here, but that's all such a resource would amount to...a combination of resource abuse and a few of the loudest whiners trying to have half the ED scene killed because someone looked at them funny.

The opposite would also happen. Players that have exploited whatever "get ludicrous amounts of credits" scheme is currently active could stick 50MCr bounties on other players just for the lulz.

 

[Roland Deschain]

Correction: It's all legitimate, or FD would be taking the steps to remove them from game instead of folks proposing witch-hunting threads.

And I know witch-hunting is a favourite around here, but that's all such a resource would amount to...a combination of resource abuse and a few of the loudest whiners trying to have half the ED scene killed because someone looked at them funny.

Been discussed many, many times but not the topic here, so I don't want to go into it. However, I want to say that I understand all sides of this discussion.

 

[StiTch]

The opposite would also happen. Players that have exploited whatever "get ludicrous amounts of credits" scheme is currently active could stick 50MCr bounties on other players just for the lulz.

Aye, had hoped "resource abuse" would just blanket cover everything...I can't conceive the many ways this could be taken advantage of

Hell, must say I'd be tempted myself.

"50 mill credits to every filmed kill of this thread's creator being ganked"

...sit back, play, wait for nuggets of gold to trickle into inbox

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Good way to double troll someone. First annoy a CMDR until that CMDR publically posts a bounty.

Hop in a sidey, get a mate to kill you with tube evidence. Now you trolled a CMDR and your mate gets cash.

 

[BigBANGtheory [VR]]

imho it will be abused as a means to transfer funds, so it would need to be capped at say 100k cr

What would be more interesting is a means to seek players and NPCs with bounties, for example if they are spotted or scanned

 

[Roland Deschain]

It seems that everyone just thinks about how new features could be exploited.
IMHO if thats the mental attitude pretty much every idea will be rejected. Why not just go for a thing and let FD do the thinking about exploits and that stuff.

As said before, this is just a base idea...no word on how the implementation would work in reality, but seriously that's not the point here.