The in-game market interface should be better. then people wouldn't need 3rd party. seriously we can travel between star systems. cover light years in mere minutes. survive extremely close to a sun (which IRL would melt your ship and kill you with radiation) and you honestly expect me to believe they can't beam trade data back and forth by some means?
BPC lied to me...
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I use cmdr;s log, you need to type the data manually but it's worth it
OCR works very well for Cmdrs Log too.
I gave up inet fed tools a while ago due to the number of, uhhh, 'errors' I was seeing. Some of the data was so bad it was obvious people were entering garbage on purpose.
That and their unreliability of availability. Not sure if BFC has an offline mode now, but it didn't when I deleted it.
That is unfair and an untrue. They both gather their information in the same way and regardless of any intentional or accidental inaccuracies they both rely on up to date information and that relies on the player base keeping the information up to date.
Whether we could transmit information faster than the speed of light is irrelevant - this has nothing to do with reality (or we wouldn't have FTL travel in the first place).
We don't have a better interface because FD chose not to give us more than the basic information.
We may see improvements in the future but considering that no matter what FD provided, players would what something different anyway FD may as well provide information through the API so that Players can choose which app they like best (or all of them).
Personally I don't think FD were expecting how hardcore traders would be (ie that a trader would pick up a few tonnes of this and a few tonnes of that and travel between the stars buying and selling as they went and just enjoy being a trader) instead of what we see where players are only interested in the biggest profits/hour and do nothing but that hour after hour, day after day.
I agree though, the current in-game system for trying to guess whether a product is worth buying versus how many systems you would have to visit at random to find somewhere to sell it just doesn't work if you are grinding credits and therefore these tools are vital.
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It rained this morning! FD sucks
You could whine about whining I suppose?
FD are happy with these tools - they are even working with the tool makers on providing an api (which will reduce the inaccuracies).
pen and paper, never lie....
I think to some extent that in part due to the 'MMO' label being slapped on it many places around the net. (tho I honestly don't think that's fair. some Battlefield titles have up to 64 players in a single instance and i wouldn't call that an 'MMO' Mods like Project reality pushed it way past that). The problem is the 'MMO' crowd tend toward min-maxing and metagaming. its an excepted part of that entire genre. It'll be interesting to see how much control and Information players actually end up having when all is said and done.
Battlefield has many servers, each server is an enclosed world.
ED has everone playing in the same world with the current p2p hardware limit of 32 people in one instance and it is persistant.
I would argue that ED is a kind of MMO just a different model from the most famous ones like WOW/swtor/eq2 etc. (All of whom have segregated servers with instancing on each server). Eve is the only other game I can think of where everyone is in the same world and that is not only subscription but it deals with over popuated instances (systems) by slowing the game down (something that would not work in a twitch environment).
I do agree that many prople who are disappointed were perhaps expecting a more traditional MMO setting.
ED has everone playing in the same world with the current p2p hardware limit of 32 people in one instance and it is persistant.
I would argue that ED is a kind of MMO just a different model from the most famous ones like WOW/swtor/eq2 etc. (All of whom have segregated servers with instancing on each server). Eve is the only other game I can think of where everyone is in the same world and that is not only subscription but it deals with over popuated instances (systems) by slowing the game down (something that would not work in a twitch environment).
I do agree that many prople who are disappointed were perhaps expecting a more traditional MMO setting.
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I personally ignore every one of those kind of tools, for the same reason I don't bother looking up trade routes on google - Because thousands of other people will be doing exactly the same and start oversaturating the market.
The prices might be correct at the time it is added, but once a large amount of people find that data, it becomes obsolete.
The prices might be correct at the time it is added, but once a large amount of people find that data, it becomes obsolete.
You are of course aware that a T9 or similar can burn a route with a few trips?
Personaly I use it for reference and I submit CURRENT market values for stations I visit, but values change.
Some intelligence and planning still need, as eveyone one has access to same information. And that go's for any marketing program.
Personaly I use it for reference and I submit CURRENT market values for stations I visit, but values change.
Some intelligence and planning still need, as eveyone one has access to same information. And that go's for any marketing program.
I have run routes in a t9 where the prices did drop but very slowly. It is when you get many large cargo ships doing the same route that prices bomb. Running the route in a wing of four with an Anaconda and t9 + couple of other ships can trash it in an evening. Normally leaving that route for a 3-5 days recovers them though.
There are plenty of profitable routes that show on the tools that aren't over traded - but if you set the tools to show the single most profitable systens in game you will find them very popular (obviously).
Far better to find a set of dystems or a factions that you like and in the case of factions affect. Then use the tools to see which commodities/stations best suit your purposes IMO.
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Slopey
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@OP - don't like it? Don't use it. I'm not forcing you to...
If you DO use it, then PLEASE "use it properly" and update prices. I get PM's day in and day out saying "YOU COST ME MILLIONS CUZ THE PRICES WERE WRONGZZZ!!!!", but when I ask if they ever update the prices themselves, they either go quiet, or say no.
The data is crowdsourced, that means people have to enter that data (manually or via EliteOCR) - and those people are YOU!
If the data in the BPC is out of date, the only people who are at fault for that are the very users complaining that it's out of date. If nobody updates and just leeches the data, it'll always be out of date - so do the community a favour and update some prices occasionally.
I was going to add in user registration, but parked it as it seemed like an API was being talked about by FD. Seeing as that has come to nothing, I might get back on the user reg bandwagon - don't update? You don't get to download data....
But TLR - Don't use it if you don't like it, and if you do use it - update prices in it occasionally please....
If you DO use it, then PLEASE "use it properly" and update prices. I get PM's day in and day out saying "YOU COST ME MILLIONS CUZ THE PRICES WERE WRONGZZZ!!!!", but when I ask if they ever update the prices themselves, they either go quiet, or say no.
The data is crowdsourced, that means people have to enter that data (manually or via EliteOCR) - and those people are YOU!
If the data in the BPC is out of date, the only people who are at fault for that are the very users complaining that it's out of date. If nobody updates and just leeches the data, it'll always be out of date - so do the community a favour and update some prices occasionally.
I was going to add in user registration, but parked it as it seemed like an API was being talked about by FD. Seeing as that has come to nothing, I might get back on the user reg bandwagon - don't update? You don't get to download data....
But TL
R - Don't use it if you don't like it, and if you do use it - update prices in it occasionally please....If you (as a user of any of the tools) can not or will not update for every system you visit (which is understandable as it can become time consuming), you might try updating systems/stations where you visit often. It is in your own best interests after all.
You should always check how old the data is (this goes for BPC, EliteTradingTool and any of the others) - the data is only as accurate as we (the crowd) provide it.
API will come to nothing or just hasn't yet?
What's holding it back?
[Edit - I have no problem with registration].
You should always check how old the data is (this goes for BPC, EliteTradingTool and any of the others) - the data is only as accurate as we (the crowd) provide it.
API will come to nothing or just hasn't yet?
What's holding it back?
[Edit - I have no problem with registration].
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@OP - don't like it? Don't use it. I'm not forcing you to...
If you DO use it, then PLEASE "use it properly" and update prices. I get PM's day in and day out saying "YOU COST ME MILLIONS CUZ THE PRICES WERE WRONGZZZ!!!!", but when I ask if they ever update the prices themselves, they either go quiet, or say no.
The data is crowdsourced, that means people have to enter that data (manually or via EliteOCR) - and those people are YOU!
If the data in the BPC is out of date, the only people who are at fault for that are the very users complaining that it's out of date. If nobody updates and just leeches the data, it'll always be out of date - so do the community a favour and update some prices occasionally.
I was going to add in user registration, but parked it as it seemed like an API was being talked about by FD. Seeing as that has come to nothing, I might get back on the user reg bandwagon - don't update? You don't get to download data....
But TL
Slopey Please rethink in adding the user registration, i would like users to be banned from entering data or even from using it if they enter too many mistakes, and to also get every one updating prices, when i was doing rare runs i would update prices on the those stations i visited because i was waiting for more supply to drop and it just made sense. it only takes a min or two to enter the data through elite ocr, and when there entering the data they need to just make sure there entering it correctly. with login info and data input tracking we could weed out the bad seeds. Please rethink adding the Registration.
Jimmy OUT!!!
+1 REP for you sir
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Slopey
Volunteer Moderator
Like any tool which aggregates information. It is only as effective as the data which is put in to it. Good data in = good data out. Bad data in = bad data out.
I run both when trading. I use one to find a new route and then double check the other agrees before loading up and travelling off somewhere. If the data is valid they will both agree the figures within a narrow margin.
I know no more about an API from FD than you do I'm afraid.
That's disappointing.