BREAKING NEWS: The Code lost Orrere, Tvasus, and Zaonce!

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So....its ok to waste the time of our community manager with this?

Oh look, the classic.

"If the feature doesn't concern me nor my playstyle, it's a waste of time for anyone to spent any time on it."

Please listen to yourself.

Getting FD recognition as a player group and caring about BGS are two different things, they just happen to come in the same package. If you receive a gift box from someone with items that you strongly dislike and items you like, will you tell the one who send you the gift that they are wasting their time?

I know I wouldn't.
 
All this locker-room bragging of "we're more pvp focused then you are" or bickering over whether The Code care about maintaining a presence anywhere for their in-game faction is so much pointless hot air.

Having a faction exist is what The Code cared about, for the opportunities to work with FD it offered. They don't need a "base of operations" because they are pirates and go where the targets are. Now admittedly, camping a known rares cluster was a smart move but for the most part I bet you'll find them lurking the best known trade routes and places like Robigo where you can encounter more people carrying high value cargo, or CGs where they can get more of the kind of action they seek in the game. To be the pirates they are, they don't need to pay any attention to BGS activity so it's unsurprising that they don't. Their agenda is not tied to any particular area of the map so who's in control of which system is irrelevant to them.

Other groups have different agendas, and some of them do require the group to maintain a presence in a particular area, so of course they pay attention to the BGS.

That says absolutely nothing about how "hardcore" one group or another is, they just have different priorities.
 
Except that Nietzsche's usage of "God is dead" is symbolic of a historical account...

OK, and Jesus' Sermon on the mount can be seen to reference earlier scriptures, but I wouldn't ask you for an exact page number for the quote, rather elucidation of your meaning. It's like Sleutetbos: sometimes it's not so much what you're saying as how you're saying it. The bible is expansive, but I don't feel a need to ask people which version of the bible they're quoting, nor do I expect the gospel of Judas to be in a complete form when I read it in the Nag Hammadi. The reason I'm making "innacurate accusations" it precisely because I don't care to call out sections of the community when I only have problems with individuals, nor am I the type to keep logs of every IRC chat I've had like some people I've met. Do I care to talk about specifics in these cases? No, because it was different people ten to now, and neither deserve to know each other's business on some basic assumed principle of freedom of information.

Basically, to ask about my meaning directly would have been the way to approach the situation, not immediately asking me for a reference and implying I misunderstood the text. Now I don't care to sit here and compare spectacles as to Nitezche, as I was always more into Kierkegaard, and I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong, I'm just giving my opinion. The problem is people take my opinions personally, or read too much or too little into it. Again, I said I fly w/ Kumo and Black Omega 'cause of how they fly, I didn't pretend that Code tell you how to play. Most of the guys I've talked to in Code are cool, and in fact most of the people in ELITE I've talked to are cool, it's just there's a lot of people that seem caught up on hanging points which stop them seeing the bigger picture.

I don't care to have a flame war, I just wanted to make a point. The point was made, then disputed, and I think I've managed to re-explain what I meant. I don't care to start arguing semantics with you about nothing to appease your sense of self-worth, so I'm going to stop. And, just for the sake of pre-empting, when I make a thread later in the week about "entitlement vs fun", it's got nothing to do with this thread...just in case you see it and decide to start on me again. Still not gonna block you, because like sleut, I do agree with you half the time, but I'm not gonna keep engaging with you if you two share the same forum outlook and engagement process.
 
Well they provide something anyway. Not sure if it's content, salty tears or adrenaline. Maybe all of those.
But let's not waste time with accusations of time wasting. Unless a dev or a brett comes here to tell us so, then they probably don't much care.

Now, let's talk about the more important issue of my having missed an entire day of play, and hence of grinding at the Majestic CG, due to reading this thread. Who's going to compensate me for that?

That's bad business... you're not trading? That's like being in administration. I'll give you one credit. That seems to be the going rate these days.
 
Oh look, the classic.

"If the feature doesn't concern me nor my playstyle, it's a waste of time for anyone to spent any time on it."

Please listen to yourself.

Getting FD recognition as a player group and caring about BGS are two different things, they just happen to come in the same package. If you receive a gift box from someone with items that you strongly dislike and items you like, will you tell the one who send you the gift that they are wasting their time?

I know I wouldn't.


Lets say you organize a football tourney...and invite people to the park on the weekend.
You think those that showed up would like to play in this event.
You set schedules and matches to find out the SDC and Code team just wanted to show up so they could be called a team, but they refuse to take to the field.
Now tell me this isnt a waste of time?
 
That's bad business... you're not trading? That's like being in administration. I'll give you one credit. That seems to be the going rate these days.

Seems to be.
I'll have to grind harder tomorrow.
Or maybe grab my vulture and find a CZ that needs looking at... or a HRES or something...
 
To be fair the times when I watched them streaming they at least gave their prey a chance to power down and comply .. sadly most didn't, thinking they could outrun the pirates; were blown up as a result; and from time to time said victims came here moaning about it. Sure, code have rubbed salt into wounds themselves, and done/said some really dumb things (who hasn't ? ;)) but from my perspective they were a welcome addition to the galaxy at the very least to give open some spice (the game on the whole is quite static and runs at a very slow pace)

The norm today seems to just be a murderer which is a shame as that mentality (yes, murderers can be so if they want) has contributed to people leaving open.

All said and done - I have no idea if code people really did care about the BGS : probably about as much as I do (it's there to be milked for money to get nice toys to play in and that's about it)


Well, my one and only encounter with a CODE member amounted to me outrunning him in a T6. In fact, he should rather spit himself in the face :cool:
 
I stated my displeasure in a group that would apply for a system in their name but refuses to defend or nurture that system.
If they didnt want the system and the responsiblity of upkeep, why apply in the first place.
Takes FD man hours away from doing other important things.
Whether Code, SDC or any other group that doesnt care for their own system...Im displeased at the fact they would waste man hours at FD for something they dont even care for.

They did used to care for the system, and members of their group worked hard to expand through PVE to create a player-managed pirate region of space. 'Press announcements' were put out and FD fawned over The Code. Then inevitably players got bored and moved on and now The Code is a shadow of it's former self, with only a few PVPers left. Which is probably why they say that they don't care about their systems, the puny few left probably don't. So they stopped being relevant and the game has effectively ejected them. Those who continue to call themselves Code can still PVP all they like in Open, and good for them if they don't miss the notoriety their group used to have.

Interesting that SDC lost Wolfberg and now Code has been removed. Looks like factions providing 'emergent content' may be short lived? Maybe FD is housekeeping after the recent PR mess...
 
Interesting that SDC lost Wolfberg and now Code has been removed. Looks like factions providing 'emergent content' may be short lived? Maybe FD is housekeeping after the recent PR mess...
Hadn't thought of that. One can hope....

I still don't care, but I'm doing my part for 40 pages!:D
 
OK, and Jesus' Sermon on the mount can be seen to reference earlier scriptures, but I wouldn't ask you for an exact page number for the quote, rather elucidation of your meaning. It's like Sleutetbos: sometimes it's not so much what you're saying as how you're saying it. The bible is expansive, but I don't feel a need to ask people which version of the bible they're quoting, nor do I expect the gospel of Judas to be in a complete form when I read it in the Nag Hammadi. The reason I'm making "innacurate accusations" it precisely because I don't care to call out sections of the community when I only have problems with individuals, nor am I the type to keep logs of every IRC chat I've had like some people I've met. Do I care to talk about specifics in these cases? No, because it was different people ten to now, and neither deserve to know each other's business on some basic assumed principle of freedom of information.

Basically, to ask about my meaning directly would have been the way to approach the situation, not immediately asking me for a reference and implying I misunderstood the text. Now I don't care to sit here and compare spectacles as to Nitezche, as I was always more into Kierkegaard, and I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong, I'm just giving my opinion. The problem is people take my opinions personally, or read too much or too little into it. Again, I said I fly w/ Kumo and Black Omega 'cause of how they fly, I didn't pretend that Code tell you how to play. Most of the guys I've talked to in Code are cool, and in fact most of the people in ELITE I've talked to are cool, it's just there's a lot of people that seem caught up on hanging points which stop them seeing the bigger picture.

I'm more of a Hobbes and Berkeley person, while I respect Nietzsche and Foucault, speaking of which I grew on Bergson quite a lot recently, and Jane Bennett.

What I think the issue here is that you assumed that I assumed you misunderstood the text, but that is simply not the case. I pride myself to be an academic and as an academic, it's natural for one to inquire what page does one derive a concept from from a specific author and what idea does it entail, since it contributes to the conversation and might help me discover new ideas.

Perhaps you don't share that academic enthusiasm, but that's fine.

I don't care to have a flame war, I just wanted to make a point. The point was made, then disputed, and I think I've managed to re-explain what I meant. I don't care to start arguing semantics with you about nothing to appease your sense of self-worth, so I'm going to stop. And, just for the sake of pre-empting, when I make a thread later in the week about "entitlement vs fun", it's got nothing to do with this thread...just in case you see it and decide to start on me again. Still not gonna block you, because like sleut, I do agree with you half the time, but I'm not gonna keep engaging with you if you two share the same forum outlook and engagement process.

Arguing semantics is my strong suit and my interest, as long as it's done without drama and overly attached emotion. Hobbes already explained what self-worth is all about, so I'm not going to bother elaborating it. If you can't stand an academic personality, then you might want to block me, if not, I'll comment on anything and everything as I see necessary and proper, not to quote the US Constitution, of course. I think Conrad and Rousseau in combination describes the fallible traits of internet communities in general, discussion forums, in particular, match quite well with their observations. Especially resonating with Tocqueville's observation, but then John Stuart Mill keeps giving me some hope, like how Philip K. fills me my heart with a bitter hope every time I become overly cynical. But when I get too hopeful, I like to sit down and read a few pages of Jack London's work to remind myself of the world I reside in, well, Machiavelli sometimes does a better job. I won't go into the aesthetics of things since that opens an even larger can of artistic worms.

You be you, me be me, it's very simple. Whitman and T.S. Eliot aren't really that different, when people look closely enough.
 
If you go back to around the Hutton blockade times, i think the player factions were just starting or about to, anyways here on the forums there were some very very salty folks who very openly started a group or two to do this. Im not going to name them, its their choice, but they discussed it openly and it carried over into multiple threads an there were multiple announcing the location. Anyways it isnt very hard to figure out which of the active forum posters from that time likely did this...
 
Lets say you organize a football tourney...and invite people to the park on the weekend.
You think those that showed up would like to play in this event.
You set schedules and matches to find out the SDC and Code team just wanted to show up so they could be called a team, but they refuse to take to the field.
Now tell me this isnt a waste of time?

But that example only works if you believe that having a NPC minor faction is the entirety of the purpose of registration as a player group, which it's not as I've explained. In fact, The Code has proven that by becoming Triple Elite without having anything to do with BGS.
 
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